On Don Sanderson and Fighting

I’ve purposely held off editorializing about the death of Don Sanderson and fighting in hockey.  I didn’t want to make any sort of knee-jerk counterarguments to the anti-fighting members of the media in a time of mourning and sensitivity to his family, friends and the hockey community in general.

For those who haven’t followed the story: Don Sanderson played for the senior AAA Whitby Dunlops.  He was in a fight and lost his helmet.  His head hit the ice, and he fell into a coma after a brief period of consciousness.  Sadly, three weeks later, Mr. Sanderson passed away.  His funeral service was yesterday.

From the first day of Mr. Sanderson’s injury, the debate about fighting in hockey, and equipment regulations has heated up in the media, although there has been little to no talk from professional leagues about any rules changes.

Greg Wyshynski, editor of Yahoo!‘s Puck Daddy NHL blog contacted me with some questions regarding the tragedy of Mr. Sanderson, and fighting in general.  I did my best to answer his questions directly, without rant or tangent, as my position about fighting in hockey is obvious.  I’ve included Wyshynski’s questionset below, and you can read his thoughts and the thoughts from his commenters here.

Wyshynski: How does a guy who’s built hockey’s greatest digital shrine to fighting react when a 21-year-old player dies from injuries suffered in a hockey fight?

Singer: I’m filled with nothing but sadness. He was so young, and all that I can think of is how his family and friends feel right now.

Wyshynski: It seems as though some are treating this incident like the Brittanie Cecil tragedy: something that could act as a catalyst for radical change in hockey. In Cecil’s case, she was struck by a puck and NHL arenas installed netting to protect fans. Do you believe the Sanderson tragedy will spark a similar reaction (or overreaction, depending on how one feels about it)?

Singer: Was adding netting really a radical change? While some fans may have been concerned with arena views, it didn’t change the on-ice product. I don’t think Mr. Sanderson’s death will lead to any changes at the NHL-level, or possibly any other leagues.

Wyshynski: The Ontario Hockey Association appears more concerned about players not “flipping their lids” than any sort of fighting ban. Do you think legislation about securing helmets could be coming at all levels of hockey after this?

Singer: Players are already ejected for fighting in the league Mr. Sanderson played in. They could add suspensions to deter players from fighting more, but a direct safety measure would be helmet-focused. Amateur leagues may look at creating or altering rules about equipment, but I doubt any professional leagues will. Many safety and equipment rules need to be approved by the players in pro leagues, and there’s been no talk of change in that regard.

Wyshynski: Anti-fighting critics appear to have amended the debate about dangerous checks and head shots by including hockey fights as a catalyst for head injuries. Do you think it’s hypocritical to be outraged at hits to the head but an advocate for fighting? Do they belong under the same umbrella debate?

Singer: It may seem easy to lump it all together, but hits to the head and dangerous checks are about catching an opposing player off-guard. It’s a one-way action, and there’s little that the opposing player can do other than “keep his head up.” With fights, it’s generally mutually agreed upon. In one instance, a player is caught off-guard, in another he’s not. Willingness by the players is the key difference.

Wyshynski: As we’ve seen in the past during headline-grabbing incidents, there’s police involvement in the Sanderson matter. As a hockey fan, this scares the bejeepers out of me, because there’s always been the understanding that what happens in the rink stays in the rink (unless you’re Todd Bertuzzi). But writers like Ken Campbell of The Hockey News believe that if the Leagues won’t get rid of fighting, it could be up to the government to legislate it out. What are your thoughts of, for lack of a better term, “Imperial interference” in hockey?

Singer: Police involvement seems like just a formality in this situation. Outside of premeditation, or an irregular act (most likely involving stick or skate), there’s little police activity. It’d be awfully difficult for government to legislate against fighting in one sport while allowing it as the sole purpose in others (boxing, martial arts).

Sports should govern themselves. I’m not interested in seeing hockey, or any other sport ruled by politicians.

Wyshynski: Campbell also said the Sanderson injury wasn’t an accident. Do you consider it an accident?

Singer: I’d consider it a freak, and obviously tragic accident. To imply otherwise is to take hockey fights out of context; and unless Mr. Sanderson’s opponent, Cory Fulton, was purposely trying to use the ice to hurt Mr. Sanderson, this is very much an accident.

Wyshynski: Do you even think about a fighting death in the NHL? Why or why not?

Singer: I don’t think about a fighting death, but I suppose it’s because I don’t think about death and sports in general. I’ve seen players seriously maimed and injured over the years in all sports, but I’ve never watched a game thinking it could happen. Inevitably death will strike sports, especially contact sports, like hockey or football, all with different circumstances.

Wyshynski: Can you ever envision a National Hockey League without fighting? What would happen, on the ice and off the ice, if the NHL curbed it to the point of non-existence?

Singer: While I wouldn’t rule out seeing fighting banned one day, I hope it doesn’t come to that. I watch a lot of different hockey and NHL hockey is by far my favorite. The style of game, which includes a lot of contact and fighting, paired with the skill level of the players makes it the best league in the world. The play in international leagues just seems muted in comparison.

One thing to also remember is that rules banning fighting don’t amount to no fighting.

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#1 - dan on Jan 06, 2009 at 04:42 PM

the best argument any hockey fan can make about fighting is that it is NOT allowed.  there is a major penalty assessed and other add ons if a fight takes place.  it seems to me this is a misperception of a lack of punitive consequences if anything.  fighting will never be abolished from any sport.  there are still brawls in baseball, basketball and football, although much less frequent.  intensity and conflict is what makes sports entertaining and naturaly this can breed frustration and contempt for your opponent.

#2 - Big Little Tank on Jan 06, 2009 at 07:23 PM

As for young Sanderson, it was a tragic incident. No one that young should die doing what they loved. I just lost a great friend who was mentioned on Coach’s Corner this week along with Sanderson. He was the Warrant Officer who’s Wedding we saw on CC. The Funeral was also yesterday and just as big. They both were imnportant Members of the community. The died doing what they loved and we will always cherish there memories. They were role models.

Hmmmm….....As for this issue of fighting, I am a huge fight fan, being one in the past and a current “real” life protector. But I also have some concerns about too many “useless” fights in that star players and non-fighting players are trying to stick up for themselves….That’s why there’s Laraque, Godard, Perros, Parker, etc. in the league. And the players whom are protected, understand this. They need to keep remembering this too! The majority of these head / broken hand issues are from those who just don’t have the fight experience.

Suck up your pride and take the small lump, star players. Your Enforcer will dish out the goods. Would you want him trying to win the game for you?

#3 - Matt from Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta on Jan 06, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I think you responded well.  It’s terrible, but from what I’ve read Sanderson was a competitive player and his family is encouraging Fulton to continue playing.  It wasn’t a cheap shot to the back of the head (Bertuzzi) but a terrible accident that occured between consenting adults.

If you recall, there have been people killed playing hockey due to slashes to the chest in the past (recall the individual from a semi-pro league in Italy).  I think that perhaps this incident is getting a lot of media attention because the fall occured during a fight, and not during some other aspect of the game. 

Althought what happened was a tragedy, I don’t think that it’s cause enough to eliminate fighting from the game.

#4 - Justin from Sherwood Park Alberta on Jan 07, 2009 at 01:38 AM

Hundreds of professions place people in risky, life threatening situations. Fighting is a fundamental part of this profession. It is required to deter rogue players from taking cheap shots and deter unskilled players from hurting skilled (fan attracting) players. Hockey players can be seriously injured or killed from many things that happen on the ice besides fighting. All players understand the risks just like all the other employees in life threatening professions. However, the still choose to play just like firefighters, policemen, military, football players, race car drivers, boxers, MMA fighters, rig pigs, etc. etc. etc. go to work…

#5 - Ralph from Poughkeepsie, NY on Jan 07, 2009 at 09:43 AM

He got in a fight and died if I am understanding this correctly.  It’s not a common occurance but when you fight there is a chance that you will DIE.  In life, in the arena of sport, wherever you choose to fight, there is RISK involved.  THe fact that it happened during a hockey game to me is incidental.  This should no have any effect whatsoever on fighting in NHL hockey.  Let them slug it out and if another death occurs then so be it let the league take it from there.  THere is no need to overplay this.  It’s just one random death.  This kid’s number was called…......hit shappens!

#6 - SCOTTSO from FLORIDA on Jan 07, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I THINK DEATH IN AN NHL FIGHT IS INEVITABLE,AFTER SEEING WHAT HAPPENED TO TODD FEDORUK TWICE IN ONE SEASON,IT WONT SURPRISE ME WHEN ONE OF THESE OLDER ENFORCERS,WHO HAVE TAKEN ONE TOO MANY SHOTS TO THE HEAD,GETS HIT BY ONE OF THESE YOUNG BEHEMOTHS (BOOGAARD,FRITZ,CHARA…ETC)AND DOES’NT GET UP!

#7 - Keven from Beaverlodge, AB on Jan 07, 2009 at 03:54 PM

Once again this debate lears its ugly head.  Let’s keep in mind that the league in which this happened fighting is already banned. You are ejected from the game for fighting. I myself enjoy to watch a good fair fight. This was a freak accident and it was nobody’s fault. I believe Sanderson was a willing combatant in this fight it was not like he was jumped from behind. I personally would rather see too guys drop the gloves and fight than to watch a player take cheap shots at another player.  I have 4 children who play hockey and hope none of them get hurt but at the same time I understand that in playing any sport there is a risk of someone getting seriously hurt. I know many people would say there is less chance in other sports and that might be so but even in Baseball where there is hardly ever any fighting or violence there is a risk of someone getting hit in the head or chest with a baseball and be hurt really bad or killed. I don’t hear anyone trying to get all players on the playing field wear helmets all the time in baseball. No one wants anyone to get hurt really bad or killed but unfortunately there is a risk everywhere for something like this to happen.

Don’t take fighting out of hockey. Its part of the game and I believe that if you take it out the stick work and other ways of people getting hurt will likely happen more often.

#8 - Bek on Jan 08, 2009 at 01:39 PM

This is an awful occurrence. I send my prayers and thoughts to his friends and family and also to Fulton. He will have this on his shoulders for the rest of his life whether it was “technically” his fault or not. My only hope is that one change comes out of this for every level of play. Fights will always happen, “banned” or not, but if the fights were stopped as soon as a helmet comes off, then they would be “safer” fights if there is such a thing. Yes it’s part of the game, yes the players know what they are getting themselves into in a way, NO I don’t think any of them could honestly say they are willing to die or suffer life changing injuries to fight anyone. Yes accidents happen, like with poor Sanderson, but isn’t it the league’s job to make it as safe as possible? Car wrecks won’t ever disappear but we wear seat belts and have air bags to help minimize injury. Does that always save us? No, but it MINIMIZES the chance of major injury or death, the same with a rule change regarding helmets being purposely or accidentally torn/thrown off of a player’s head during a fight. Take for instance Stortini and Barch fighting on 1/3. From my view during the game, Stortini loses his lid quickly due to a hit from Barch while Barch’s is then ripped off by Stortini…it should have stopped, not allowed to escalate into an all out boxing match. Getting hurt is a very real and possible occurrence in any game, but no one should suffer life long injuries or families losing their loved ones due to the lack of safer rules just because fans don’t want to see a fight stopped.  I’ll admit a fight during a game can revive a silent fan base, but I want to believe it’s not because they want to see someone die on the ice, regardless which team the player plays for…remember they are all human beings (okay maybe a few are questionable) but they have families, wives, kids, moms, and dads that don’t deserve to go through what Sanderson’s family is going through now just because of the selfishness of a few fans.

#9 - C. Dunbar on Jan 09, 2009 at 02:34 PM

I suggest featuring this on the front page or as a click-thru to get to the site or a reading prerequisite much like a software EULA. It covers the hard questions and the reasonable answers that an informed hockey fan or an uniformed neophyte must understand in order to form an intelligent opinion on this debate and discuss it with others. Framing the debate this way and making it a default template for any discussion of fighting in hockey does a service to us all. Thanks. By the way, your captcha didn’t work for me in Firefox 3.0.

#10 - Walt Webb from Brampton, Ontario on Jan 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

A good post and I agree. I held off on posting for about the same reasons. It was tragic but it was also isolated. Fighting lets players vent and if the outlet is not available I fear more stick work would enter the game and that would be much more dangerous.
Walt AKA All Sports on the Web
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#11 - Digbert Shalom on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:00 AM

Hockey games go bad sometimes.  Sometimes people die.  Actually, I am surprised there haven’t been more deaths.  Hockey is what it is.  It isn’t golf.  Hockey is a brutal and violent sport played by violent men.  It is puzzling why people seem to forget that.  I think it is the byproduct of the NHL trying to promote it as a Disney fun-for-the-whole-family thing.  It isn’t really like that.

#12 - Frederik on Jan 20, 2009 at 09:51 AM

At first I want to apologize, English is not my mothertongue.

I really think this is an idiotic discussion…
If you want to see a good fight, watch a boxing match. Why would the level of ice-hockey decreasy by banning the fights? It doesn’t belong in this sport. I’m not saying anything about hard challenges or the game intensity, in this case accidents can happen, people can get severly injured (or worse).

But can you call a fight ‘an accident’? Even if the real damage is caused by the way he hit the ice. If you compare this to a fight in real life. The other person in the fight would also be convicted for manslaughter, wouldn’t he? Even if it wasn’t his intention to kill and the way he came down was the actual reason for death.

I must say I have no respect at all for people who are still pro-fighting and I really believe they must be no-brainers.

#13 - Tom from Baltimore on Jan 28, 2009 at 07:15 PM

The notion that fighting can’t be stopped or that it would lead to more violent acts (e.g. stick incidents) is ridiculous.  You don’t see much fighting in high school, college, and Olympic hockey - and not much in the NHL playoffs for that matter.  The NHL is affraid if they ban fighting, they would lose more of the fan base than they would gain in new fans who stayed away because of fighting.  It’s not any more complicated than that.  If you wanted to eliminate fighting, you could.  Suspend a player for 3 games if he fights; reduce rosters to make it harder for teams to carry goons; require face guards on helmets and if a player removes his helmet, it’s an extra 3-game suspension.  If that doesn’t work, make it 10 games.  No, it’s not that it won’t work, or that it can’t work; it’s that nobody wants it to be eliminated.  There’s an element of society that loves to watch people beat on each other.  Go to any bar and see the circle gather when two people square off.  Look at the popularity of MMA.  Boxing wasn’t exciting enough, so you get more blood in MMA.  Let’s face it, people love violence.  We don’t want to see anyone die, but we’re pretty stoked when there’s blood all over the place and it stops just short of death or coma.  Why should hockey change? Why not encourage more fighting?

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