With Prongers 4+ Mil and Carles 4 mil est. The Flyers

[psustu]

Could sign Suter, or Webber or any Big Dman they want and still have 8-9 million to spend on 2 forwards.. How would Timonen-Weber, Coburn-Meszaros, Schenn-Grossman look... Ouch guys better keep there heads up.. If not Suter or Weber.. Bryan Allen will fit in nice.

[TheBeast1287]

Weber is really the only one worth going for. Suter kind of reminds me of Matt Carle in a way, the type of player that reaps the benefits of whom he is paired with.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by TheBeast1287

Weber is really the only one worth going for. Suter kind of reminds me of Matt Carle in a way, the type of player that reaps the benefits of whom he is paired with.

carle and suter are basically the same players. And carle is supposidly re-signing here so idk whats gonna happen.

[Gage55]

I think Weber has benefited a lot from pairing with Suter as well. He's a great player. Not saying hes better than Weber, but strongly disagree hes anything like Carle.

[psustu]

I just dont like Carle.. I wouldnt want him if it was for 10$ I hate the thought of bringing him back for 4+ Million

[TopGunF18E]

Originally Posted by Gage55

I think Weber has benefited a lot from pairing with Suter as well. He's a great player. Not saying hes better than Weber, but strongly disagree hes anything like Carle.

Suter has benefited from playing with Weber, not the other way around. Ryan Suter is a Matt Carle type player, just better with more upside.

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by TopGunF18E

Suter has benefited from playing with Weber, not the other way around. Ryan Suter is a Matt Carle type player, just better with more upside.

Ok. But what defensemen in this league wouldn't benefit from playing with Weber? Suter is a ton better then Carle, I don't even like using them in the same sentence.

[TopGunF18E]

Originally Posted by Gage55

Ok. But what defensemen in this league wouldn't benefit from playing with Weber?

Most would, not gonna argue with that.

Suter is a ton better then Carle, I don't even like using them in the same sentence.

I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a "ton" better, but he is better for sure. However, he is not what the Flyers need. Whether you like it or not, Suter is a Carle-type player. The Flyers need a Pronger-type player, and the closest you'll find in the NHL is Shea Weber. Both Pronger and Weber are the types that can off-set a lot of defensive liabilities. Without Pronger this past season, that really hurt the Flyers, and they need a replacement. Weber is that guy.

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by TopGunF18E

Most would, not gonna argue with that.



I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a "ton" better, but he is better for sure. However, he is not what the Flyers need. Whether you like it or not, Suter is a Carle-type player. The Flyers need a Pronger-type player, and the closest you'll find in the NHL is Shea Weber. Both Pronger and Weber are the types that can off-set a lot of defensive liabilities. Without Pronger this past season, that really hurt the Flyers, and they need a replacement. Weber is that guy.

I'm not saying we're better off with suter than weber, I'm saying Suter is more realistic, and a much better player defensively than Carle, but I don't logically see us getting either.

[TopGunF18E]

Originally Posted by Gage55

I'm not saying we're better off with suter than weber, I'm saying Suter is more realistic, and a much better player defensively than Carle, but I don't logically see us getting either.

I'm just saying acquiring Suter doesn't address the Flyers needs, Weber does. The Flyers could definitely make an offer for either, they have plenty of cap room. Hopefully Carle signs elsewhere, they dump Lilja (they have to eat the cap hit, however slight), and find a way to get rid of Gustafsson (he's waiver exempt this season). The Flyers can pull it off.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by Gage55

I'm not saying we're better off with suter than weber, I'm saying Suter is more realistic, and a much better player defensively than Carle, but I don't logically see us getting either.

you put suter in this system i gurantee you he will play just like carle. The system we run hangs Dmen and goalies out to dry. But on a personal opinion id be very satisfied if bourdon took carles spot. he looked solid playin for us

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by HardHitt3n

you put suter in this system i gurantee you he will play just like carle. The system we run hangs Dmen and goalies out to dry. But on a personal opinion id be very satisfied if bourdon took carles spot. he looked solid playin for us

I highly highly doubt Suter would have any trouble in any system with any team.

[D Y B FLYERS]

Originally Posted by HardHitt3n

you put suter in this system i gurantee you he will play just like carle. The system we run hangs Dmen and goalies out to dry. But on a personal opinion id be very satisfied if bourdon took carles spot. he looked solid playin for us

The Flyers are a very offensive team. It doesn't hang the d-men and the goalie out to dry, it holds them accountable meaning they can't just get by with mediocre play. Carle and Kubina were playing like they are,..average.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by D Y B FLYERS

The Flyers are a very offensive team. It doesn't hang the d-men and the goalie out to dry, it holds them accountable meaning they can't just get by with mediocre play. Carle and Kubina were playing like they are,..average.

this system does hang dmen and goalies out to dry. And your actually proving my point when you say they cant get by with mediocre play. Basically our forwards have to play there A game or we leave odd man rushes several times a game. When we was in Stevens system we was one of the best defenses in the league. Funny how we not now in lavys system

[Flyers2001]

you don't get 4 million for Pronger. You get what may be necessary to replace him on the cap.

Bill Meltzer explains:

There is a widespread misconception about how long-term injured reserve works in terms of the salary cap. I recommend that everyone read the straightforward explanation on the Capgeek website. Four key points:

* There is no such thing as LTIR during the summer. The player's salary counts in all salary cap calculations, both toward the in-season cap ceiling (temporarily set at $70.2 million) for 2012-13 and the summer maximum ($77.2 million)

* Even during the season, a player on LTIR's salary counts against the salary cap. It is not "bankable" money or freed-up cap space.

* LTIR money is not automatic. It is an allowance to exceed the salary cap if necessary to replace a player who is going to miss significant time. If a team does NOT need to exceed the cap to replace the injured player, it simply uses the necessary cap space to add another player.

* LTIR money is calculated by the injured player's salary cap hit MINUS (not plus) the available amount of cap space. For example, if a player's salary is $3 million and the club has $2 million of cap space available, they have a $1 million allowance to go over the cap. If they have $500,000 of cap space available, the allowance is $2.5 million. If they have $4 million of cap space, they don't need the allowance and can use their available cap space as they please.

Long-term injured reserve money is likely come into play for the Flyers in October when Chris Pronger is placed on the LTIR list. The club is likely to be close to the $70.2 million cap ceiling, and the team may have to use the allowance to exceed the cap to round out its opening night roster.