The Future with or without Weber

[Flyers2001]

Besides having Talbot in for Holmstrom, Wellwood is higher on the depth chart as well. I think Wellwood can put up 15-20 if giving the opportunity. I think he is a lot like Read.

Read is expendable for a trade but what he gives you for 900k is exceptional and he is locked up this year and next.

[Philly Fan 27]

can wellwood play center? i also really liked what ive seen from holmstrom, but it almost seems unfair to steal the phantoms captain if he's not gonna be on a top 3 line.

[Flyers2001]

Life without Weber...

Go get Ryan and Doan.

[RetardedChimp]

F*ck Nashville. I hope matching the Weber offer makes them go bankrupt.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

Life without Weber...

Go get Ryan and Doan.

i bet they dont get ryan and i bet tho seriously overpay doan

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by HardHitt3n

i bet they dont get ryan and i bet tho seriously overpay doan

Whats overpaying Doan in your opinion?

18-19 million, 4 years? Sound good?

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

Whats overpaying Doan in your opinion?

18-19 million, 4 years? Sound good?

as much as he would help the team, he is 35 yrs old and i dont want a massive contract for an old @ss with the FA's available next yr. For me its either bobby ryan or nothing

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by HardHitt3n

as much as he would help the team, he is 35 yrs old and i dont want a massive contract for an old @ss with the FA's available next yr. For me its either bobby ryan or nothing

Going after Bobby Ryan could lessen the Flyers depth big time. What are you willing to give Anaheim; Read, Voracek, Bourdon, and a first?

If you can get Doan for 3 years at 4.75 a year its not bad. He brings a lot of character and grit. He is a warrior and that allows you to sign Voracek for the 4-4.25 for the next 3 years as well. This extends the depth and gives you more goals, imo.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

Going after Bobby Ryan could lessen the Flyers depth big time. What are you willing to give Anaheim; Read, Voracek, Bourdon, and a first?

If you can get Doan for 3 years at 4.75 a year its not bad. He brings a lot of character and grit. He is a warrior and that allows you to sign Voracek for the 4-4.25 for the next 3 years as well. This extends the depth and gives you more goals, imo.

teams have been givin doan 7 or 8 mil a yr, something we shouldnt do. Bobby ryan is where its at, if the ducks gm gets off his high horse

[acdcrocksno1]

I can't see Fedetenko on the 2nd line.

Hartnell Giroux Briere
Simmonds Schenn Voracek
Fedetenko Couturier/Talbot Read
Rinaldo Talbot/Couturier Sesito

Schenn Coburn
Grossman Timonen
Mezaros Manning/Gervais/Bourdon

I don't expect Timonen to log anywhere near as many minutes as he did last year his play really tailed of towards the end of the season

[Ronald Reagan]

Scott Hartnell/ Claude Giroux / Jakub Voracek

Wayne Simmonds / Danny Briere / Brayden Schenn

Matt Read / Sean Couturier / Eric Wellwood

Zac Rinaldo / Maxime Talbot / Ruslan Fedotenko

Tom Sestito / Jody Shelley

Braydon Coburn / Nicklas Grossmann
Kimmo Timonen / Luke Schenn
Andrej Meszaros / Bruno Gervais
Andreas Lilja


Ilya Bryzgalov
Michael Leighton

CAP SPACE: $7,873,056

I put Wellwood and Read on the same line because their speed could give other teams third lines a lot to handle.

The defense should be much more physical this year with Schenn and Grossman for a full season.

Don't sign Doan, leaving plenty of space for a Paul Coffey deadline pick up for another cup run.

[Flyers2001]

Regarding Flyers Cap Space:

Bill Meltzer:

With the Voracek signing, the Flyers now have about $2.9 million of cap space beneath the $70.2 million cap ceiling, NOT including in-season LTIR allowance for Chris Pronger (maximum $4.9 million). Capgeek has Philly's cap space figure at $3.56 million but still lists Tom Sestito (who re-signed on July 9 for $660,000) as a restricted free agent.

The only remaining internal free agent to take care of is Marc-Andre Bourdon. He will get a small raise on the $875,000 he earned last year.

As noted before, if the Flyers waive Jody Shelley in the pre-season in order to carry Zac Rinaldo and Sestito on the roster, their open cap space will increase by $1.1 million. Finding a trade taker for Andreas Lilja would free up an additional $735,700 of space, and a trade is the only way to do it because he's on an over-35 contract.

It remains to be seen how much the salary cap ceiling/floor will move down when a new CBA is eventually ratified. The new CBA may also carry a bonus cushion, which could reduce the immediate cap hit for Brayden Schenn.

There is a discrepancy between Capgeek and a TSN report by Darren Dreger on the bonus structure for Schenn's contract in the second season of his entry-level contract. According to Dreger, the impossible-to-reach bonuses from Schenn's rookie year also apply in his second season. Capgeek says the requirement to play in all 82 games and average 25-plus minutes of ice time does NOT apply this season. I'm not sure whom to believe.

So, for now, Schenn's $3.11 million cap hit including a maximum $2,255,000 in performance bonuses has to be calculated in full. But if his cap hit drops early in the season as it did last year, the Flyers will be in real good shape in terms of open cap space beneath the ceiling.

This would be a first for Philly in the cap era. Open space can be banked in full until it is needed. Conversely, LTIR allowance is use-it-or-lose-it if the team is already capped out. Banked cap space can go a long way in adding an impact player via trade during the season. Don't forget that players' cap hits are prorated over the full season; calculated on a daily basis.

Say the Flyers have $3 million of open cap space at the exact midpoint of the season. If they make a trade at that point, they could take on the salary of a player with up to a full-season $6 million cap hit without needing Pronger's LTIR. That's why it behooves the team to free up as much space as possible entering the season.

Of course, if the opportunity presents itself this summer to sign Doan, the Flyers will do it even if it means doing some salary juggling and using Pronger's LTIR. But if Doan returns to Phoenix or signs elsewhere, the silver lining for Philly will be a level of in-season cap flexibility that they have never had before, along with all their trading assets intact.