2011-2012 Season

[nyr2]

Originally Posted by PotvinSucks

you'd really hold onto Stepan? other than his first game in the nhl, he has been worthless.

He doesn't look completely lost and saying hes worthless is a bit overboard. He was 4th on the team in points last year and 5th among all rookies. It's like the Del Zotto situation...he shows flashes of being a solid player and then has a few bad games. I hate when they just let guys go for nothing, when the problem is the coaching. Look at some of the guys they have had and let go for either nothing or as part of a bigger deal that went nowhere...I would have loved to have guys like Mike Knuble, Manny Malhotra, or Mikael Samuelsson stay with the team and time will tell on Weise and some of the other young guys they have recently traded away.

[sarge5050]

Looks like Avery is coming back, the question is, will Tortorella play him?

[PotvinSucks]

Originally Posted by nyr2

He doesn't look completely lost and saying hes worthless is a bit overboard. He was 4th on the team in points last year and 5th among all rookies. It's like the Del Zotto situation...he shows flashes of being a solid player and then has a few bad games. I hate when they just let guys go for nothing, when the problem is the coaching. Look at some of the guys they have had and let go for either nothing or as part of a bigger deal that went nowhere...I would have loved to have guys like Mike Knuble, Manny Malhotra, or Mikael Samuelsson stay with the team and time will tell on Weise and some of the other young guys they have recently traded away.

See im more of an instant gratification kind of guy. stepan hasnt been producing, so hes a waste of a roster spot in my opinion. A big chunk of the rangers roster is a waste of spots right now. There is zero chemistry (which i blame directly on torts). I know its early, but im sure everyone remembers what happened last year and what the rangers needed to happen to make the playoffs. Team needs to start winning. Theres just so much Henrik can do.

Off topic, are the rangers planning on doing anything in remembrance of the boogie man? A ceremony or anything? I know theyre wearing his number on their helmets

[nyr2]

Originally Posted by PotvinSucks

See im more of an instant gratification kind of guy. stepan hasnt been producing, so hes a waste of a roster spot in my opinion. A big chunk of the rangers roster is a waste of spots right now. There is zero chemistry (which i blame directly on torts). I know its early, but im sure everyone remembers what happened last year and what the rangers needed to happen to make the playoffs. Team needs to start winning. Theres just so much Henrik can do.

Off topic, are the rangers planning on doing anything in remembrance of the boogie man? A ceremony or anything? I know theyre wearing his number on their helmets

Well, if you want instant gratification than the only guys you want to stay on the team is McDonagh and Prust right now as no one else is doing much of anything. And we don't need them to be tearing it up just yet, remember what was it 2 seasons ago when they were having their best October yet and still sh!t the bed late in the season? I just want to see chemistry and hope and yes, that does fall on the coaching staff. The team has no direction and ok, tonight is a bad example, but overall the PP is a mess and has been for some time.

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by sarge5050

Looks like Avery is coming back, the question is, will Tortorella play him?

I'm sure it's not Tortorellas idea to bring him back. I hope he lets him play and I hope Avery doesnt play like he's afraid to do anything. Seans game is to skate fast, play hard and annoy the other team. MSG is going be loud when he steps on the ice. The crowd loves this guy.

[SirYohans]

So what do you guys expect the Rangers to do here? I agree that I don't think they are willing to go out and grab a guy that's strictly a goon and nothing else.

Do you think this Deveaux guy as our HW will be enough just to get through the season? He is an OK hockey player.

Or can you see the Rangers going out and trying to snag a guy like Stortini? As close as you can get to a goon that can be trusted to play hockey.

[nyr2]

Originally Posted by SirYohans

So what do you guys expect the Rangers to do here? I agree that I don't think they are willing to go out and grab a guy that's strictly a goon and nothing else.

Do you think this Deveaux guy as our HW will be enough just to get through the season? He is an OK hockey player.

Or can you see the Rangers going out and trying to snag a guy like Stortini? As close as you can get to a goon that can be trusted to play hockey.

Deveaux can handle the role, but I wouldn't have a problem with them getting Stortini, however it's unnecessary because Tortorella doesn't roll 4 lines, so they might as well stick with what they have for now.

[Lucy Brown]

I'm not sure what the sense of having a forth line if they only play 2 mins a game.

[nyr2]

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown

I'm not sure what the sense of having a forth line if they only play 2 mins a game.

Exactly why I don't think they need to make a move to replace Rupp when they already have Deveaux...also why I am still on the whole idea of re-signing Orr instead of signing Brashear to release, Boogaard to only get a few mins and then well, he's gone, and then signing Rupp. They could have kept Orr and avoided all these problems...just another wonderful Sather/Tortorella move.

I get not rolling 4 lines if you don't have the depth or if your top 3 lines are just that good...I like a lot of the top 9 guys, but the reality is they still are not getting it done.

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by nyr2

Exactly why I don't think they need to make a move to replace Rupp when they already have Deveaux...also why I am still on the whole idea of re-signing Orr instead of signing Brashear to release, Boogaard to only get a few mins and then well, he's gone, and then signing Rupp. They could have kept Orr and avoided all these problems...just another wonderful Sather/Tortorella move.

I get not rolling 4 lines if you don't have the depth or if your top 3 lines are just that good...I like a lot of the top 9 guys, but the reality is they still are not getting it done.

It all comes back to Tortorella. I wish they would get rid of him. I blame him for the Orr debacle and I dont understand why you bring back Avery to play him 2 minutes a game. How does a player get into the flow of the game playing so little. Ridiculous.

[sarge5050]

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown

It all comes back to Tortorella. I wish they would get rid of him. I blame him for the Orr debacle and I dont understand why you bring back Avery to play him 2 minutes a game. How does a player get into the flow of the game playing so little. Ridiculous.

He doesnt want Avery on the team so he won't give him a fair opportunity.

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by sarge5050

He doesnt want Avery on the team so he won't give him a fair opportunity.

Agreed. Last night Avery had 5 mins of ice time. The least out of any player on the team by almost 3 mins. Deveaux had almost 8 mins. He was 2nd to last in ice time.

[nyrgoal]

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown

Agreed. Last night Avery had 5 mins of ice time. The least out of any player on the team by almost 3 mins. Deveaux had almost 8 mins. He was 2nd to last in ice time.

I agree too. I was at the game last night and Avery sat like he usually does at the opposite end of the bench of Torts. Not once did Torts tap him on the shoulder or even look his way. He skipped over him more than a few times. However every time Avery got on the ice or threw a hit, the crowd let the Avery chants roar. He challenged Ladd and Ladd denied him and I believe it was Slater or Little who he challenged also and they denied him.

As for the Heavy issue, I dont think signing a guy like Stortini will do anything Deveaux cant do. Neither of those guys are a really big heavy threat or anything to be scared.

I wish Deveaux would start throwing the body a bit more and playing a bit more physical but Torts looks to have the cuffs on all the physical play for all the players.

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by nyrgoal

I agree too. I was at the game last night and Avery sat like he usually does at the opposite end of the bench of Torts. Not once did Torts tap him on the shoulder or even look his way. He skipped over him more than a few times. However every time Avery got on the ice or threw a hit, the crowd let the Avery chants roar. He challenged Ladd and Ladd denied him and I believe it was Slater or Little who he challenged also and they denied him.

As for the Heavy issue, I dont think signing a guy like Stortini will do anything Deveaux cant do. Neither of those guys are a really big heavy threat or anything to be scared.

I wish Deveaux would start throwing the body a bit more and playing a bit more physical but Torts looks to have the cuffs on all the physical play for all the players.

Well this is why this guy has to go. There is a problem here that needs to be addressed. Torts lets his personal feelings get in the way of his job. That and the fact that Torts really doesnt like these kind of roll players on his team. I agree that in the playoffs guys like Orr or any other heavy you care to mention has little impact on the game but guys like Avery do make a difference. Remember Esa Tikkanen. He was on the ice for the double overtime win over the Devils that sent the Rangers to the finals. This team has not responded at all to this manager since he's been here. I wish we could have a guy like Mike Keenan back again. That guy new what kind of team to put on the ice to win a game. That guy could push buttons. Torts needs to go coach in Europe.

[nyr2]

We all hate Tortorella and that's fine...but you guys are just blind with this whole Avery situation. Tortorellas hands are tied right now, Avery has to dress because the team would rather leave the young guys, Zuccarello included in the minors to get their ice time. The fact is, the Avery of 3+ years ago would make his presence known on his first shift. If he only played 45 seconds we would have known. And don't use the excuse that "he tried" or that he invited someone to fight, how many times in his career has he been challenged and not dropped the gloves? That's the respect issue and no one, without reason, is going to give him the satisfaction of fighting him to make his mark. He has to earn it and so far he has been invisible.

And don't call me an Avery hater...I was the first one losing my mind when they didn't re-sign him and I was the first one to sing the praises when they brought him back. The fact is he is not doing his job, his heart isn't in it, he's a cancer in the locker room, and a distraction to an already disorganized team.