Toronto at Detroit 9/25/09

[redwingfanz10]

win may. he landed harder punches. the first one was a monster direct hit eh.

[RetardedChimp]

Originally Posted by djaye

What punch? The one that missed above Mays right shoulder?

The one you left out of your original super duper slo-mo. Like I said, it's right before it starts. It looks to catch May's chin and after that his skate goes out and he goes down.

Originally Posted by djaye

I looked at the whole thing even before arguing with anyone. I knew NEITHER shot existed before hand and didn't really wish to argue. Rosehill scored only 1 nice shot the whole fight at the original 25:08 second mark of the full speed film/video. Thats the ONLY thing he connected with outside of shoulders and back of helmet hits.

I disagree.

Anyways, as you can see from my first post, I saw the potential knock down, and waited for the slo-mo. The second to last punch Rosehill threw looks to clip May's chin. May goes down directly after.

Originally Posted by Djaye

]May scored 7 solid shots. May went off balance and slipped. His left skate lost an edge on the last shot he threw.

Or, his skate lost an edge when Rosehill landed the second to last punch he threw. It's hard to tell with grainy low-depth videos.

You think they are fingers? I could how they could look like that, except look at the 9-10 second mark, Rosehill's "hand" suddenly shape shifts and turns into May's jersey. And just as fast, his hand is already below May's elbow. Magic.

Originally Posted by djaye

Denial only goes so far. I hate being a bitch but, things are what the tape displays.

May is your boy so I understand.

Your video is NOT conclusive to either argument. I'm glad you posted it and went all out, but it still looks like a KD to me.

[djaye]

Originally Posted by Interactif

Do you do this for all fights?

No, just when there are too many blind people/homers trying to change what really happened OR when someone makes an honest request for such. Pesa-dude and I have provided slo-mo films on several occasions to add something to the site besides dribble/banter and ' 2 stiff lefts ' that never existed to begin with.

People usually enjoyed them, but I can see, apparently, your just going to use such as a pissing contest to try and prove you saw something that didn't exist.

Thats OK, your entitled to such, right or wrong.

I’d like to see all of May’s effective punches on Rosehill’s helmet in slow mo also,

Final Cut HD, a book and you can have all the video you want. You made a claim, I proved it wrong. Prove that May didn't connect with 7 shots. I honestly at this point don't feel you have the ability to provide such a rebuttal but would try to get some form of amusement out of it.

It would do no good anyway as you would simply state ' Those punches never connected! The angle of blah blah blah... '

Perfect example, your own words -->

nevertheless all that your slow mo analysis shows is where Rosehill’s fist ended up after hitting and glancing off of May’s side of the face, look at his arm angle and how it changes after the punch. It is ridiculous if you would think a punch should finish in one’s head after it hits its target for it to have landed. At the worst you should atleast allow the chance the punched may have landed.

I can see its pointless trying to help you see whats really happening. I've pointed out many things in many past fights that have changed many peoples opinions. I've done this for fighters I really don't care for. Why? Because an honest fight is what we all want.

Why should I ' allow a chance ' when your questioning my free-givings of these videos? I should just give something up then take a kick to the teeth in return?

Again I retracked the 2 stiff lefts comment to 1 stiff left, but as is customary for you, you chose to ignore this,

You fail once again.

If I ' ignored this ', why did I make yet *another* video to show you there were no lefts at all? Customary for me? Ignored? Just how disingenuous are you really as a person? I've refrained from speaking badly of others but your really starting to seem ' non-comprehensive '

you also seem to have a hard time accepting the fact that I can atleast ammend a previous comment, a person should be able to reassess a point if further evidence is brought to light, something you have not demonstrated to me to this point.

Why should I, I'm correct. . Why should I reassess anything when I'm on the mark the first time with the footage to prove it? I'm not the one whom believed to have known it all and spoke of these ' stiff lefts ' and phantom on-goings that never happened, only to now have to resort to remarks like -->

you screamed and sulked like a boy that had his toys taken away, you even threatened you were not going to post anymore slow motion replays because someone asked you a legitimate question that others referred to that you didn't address and ignored until now.

Riddle the world this ( or at least the world you live in ) :

When you started your banter about all these things that *didnt* happen ( which lead you to change your stance and then start to try and state others are being dishonest in some ways ), do you really think I didn't score the whole fight? Count hits? Solid shots? I try to be very thorough before I run my mouth. Maybe you should TRY to be as honest with others in the same manor before stating people are leaving things out intentionally.

When I called you up on your convenient admission of the first punch in your slow mo analysis (probably an attempt by you to tip your point to win a discussion)

^^^^^^^^^^^^

There you are again, referring that I am being dishonest once more. This is even AFTER I posted a second video including those non-existent ' stiff lefts '.

You said there were 2. I showed there were less. You were outright wrong. Your STILL wrong.

You still insisted something existed and I proved there was nothing of the sort. Even *IF* I would have done as you said, left something out, you were STILL wrong. Theres no ' stiff lefts ' at all. Just face it, your wrong. Not 2, not 1, none.

you screamed and sulked like a boy that had his toys taken away, you even threatened you were not going to post anymore slow motion replays because someone asked you a legitimate question that others referred to that you didn't address and ignored until now.

ROFLMAO! Is this all you can do? Go after someones credibility after they have shown your blind/wrong?

I used to make these videos for ALL to enjoy. They are what they are, another perspective. You have stated that such isn't wanted or is ' untrue '/'doctored'. So why should I waste my time with them if all they will bring are your headaches in return or more questioning of my sincerity?

It would seem OBVIOUS to the simplest of minds WHY I don't feel like making these videos anymore but I don't know if you can grasp such or not at this point. It was not a ' threat ' about not making videos anymore, its a promise. People can thank you ( and some others ) for such later.

Until such ( slo-mo vids ) are useful or appreciated again, without being told it was ' doctored/left things out ' or something, theres no point in contributing them. It just leads to individuals whom are proven totally wrong and continuously bantering trying to be relevant.

[djaye]

Originally Posted by RetardedChimp

The one you left out of your original super duper slo-mo. Like I said, it's right before it starts. It looks to catch May's chin and after that his skate goes out and he goes down.

I disagree.

Anyways, as you can see from my first post, I saw the potential knock down, and waited for the slo-mo. The second to last punch Rosehill threw looks to clip May's chin. May goes down directly after.

The problem with doing these videos.. I snag the ones linked from the site here and toss then into a program. The original clips are all small ( 320x200 or 480 x 'x' ). *IF* I could get the original HD feeds ( I have access to some from one team, but not much from anywhere else ), I could make 1600x1000 or 1920x1200 resolution video in slo-mo. Even 800x600 would be better!

Or, his skate lost an edge when Rosehill landed the second to last punch he threw. It's hard to tell with grainy low-depth videos.

Yep. Even on a big monitor.

You think they are fingers? I could how they could look like that, except look at the 9-10 second mark, Rosehill's "hand" suddenly shape shifts and turns into May's jersey. And just as fast, his hand is already below May's elbow. Magic.

ROFLMAO! Originally, I thought Rosehills arm MIGHT have gone into Mays jersey as what I think are his ' fingers ' might be his hand pushing his jersey upwards. I really thought such might have happened as those ' fingers ' appear red, same color as Mays Jersey. I just cant finger-out (pun ) how a jersey grows appendages like those when an arm is swung up, then has them shrink back to where they came from when the arm is brought back.

If such were what happened, how could he have connected with Mays chin? If he DID manage to do such, thats a once in a lifetime happening!

May is your boy so I understand.

Honestly? I have no favorites. On any given night, someone can get lucky. For all we know Avery might score a lucky shot on BGL or Lucic will get dropped by Nathan Gerbe..

Your video is NOT conclusive to either argument. I'm glad you posted it and went all out, but it still looks like a KD to me.

We will disagree then.

[redwingfanz10]

you guys are really going at it. keep it up! lol

[BrianTheAdsFan]

Originally Posted by djaye

No, just when there are too many blind people/homers trying to change what really happened OR when someone makes an honest request for such. Pesa-dude and I have provided slo-mo films on several occasions to add something to the site besides dribble/banter and ' 2 stiff lefts ' that never existed to begin with.

People usually enjoyed them, but I can see, apparently, your just going to use such as a pissing contest to try and prove you saw something that didn't exist.

Thats OK, your entitled to such, right or wrong.



Final Cut HD, a book and you can have all the video you want. You made a claim, I proved it wrong. Prove that May didn't connect with 7 shots. I honestly at this point don't feel you have the ability to provide such a rebuttal but would try to get some form of amusement out of it.

It would do no good anyway as you would simply state ' Those punches never connected! The angle of blah blah blah... '

Perfect example, your own words -->



I can see its pointless trying to help you see whats really happening. I've pointed out many things in many past fights that have changed many peoples opinions. I've done this for fighters I really don't care for. Why? Because an honest fight is what we all want.

Why should I ' allow a chance ' when your questioning my free-givings of these videos? I should just give something up then take a kick to the teeth in return?



You fail once again.

If I ' ignored this ', why did I make yet *another* video to show you there were no lefts at all? Customary for me? Ignored? Just how disingenuous are you really as a person? I've refrained from speaking badly of others but your really starting to seem ' non-comprehensive '



Why should I, I'm correct. . Why should I reassess anything when I'm on the mark the first time with the footage to prove it? I'm not the one whom believed to have known it all and spoke of these ' stiff lefts ' and phantom on-goings that never happened, only to now have to resort to remarks like -->



Riddle the world this ( or at least the world you live in ) :

When you started your banter about all these things that *didnt* happen ( which lead you to change your stance and then start to try and state others are being dishonest in some ways ), do you really think I didn't score the whole fight? Count hits? Solid shots? I try to be very thorough before I run my mouth. Maybe you should TRY to be as honest with others in the same manor before stating people are leaving things out intentionally.



^^^^^^^^^^^^

There you are again, referring that I am being dishonest once more. This is even AFTER I posted a second video including those non-existent ' stiff lefts '.

You said there were 2. I showed there were less. You were outright wrong. Your STILL wrong.

You still insisted something existed and I proved there was nothing of the sort. Even *IF* I would have done as you said, left something out, you were STILL wrong. Theres no ' stiff lefts ' at all. Just face it, your wrong. Not 2, not 1, none.



ROFLMAO! Is this all you can do? Go after someones credibility after they have shown your blind/wrong?

I used to make these videos for ALL to enjoy. They are what they are, another perspective. You have stated that such isn't wanted or is ' untrue '/'doctored'. So why should I waste my time with them if all they will bring are your headaches in return or more questioning of my sincerity?

It would seem OBVIOUS to the simplest of minds WHY I don't feel like making these videos anymore but I don't know if you can grasp such or not at this point. It was not a ' threat ' about not making videos anymore, its a promise. People can thank you ( and some others ) for such later.

Until such ( slo-mo vids ) are useful or appreciated again, without being told it was ' doctored/left things out ' or something, theres no point in contributing them. It just leads to individuals whom are proven totally wrong and continuously bantering trying to be relevant.

Holy crap man.

I can't wait to see you comment on a fight that truly counts...

(other than to Brad May or Jay Rosehill in the pre-season...)

[Interactif]

Originally Posted by djaye

I can see its pointless trying to help you see whats really happening. I've pointed out many things in many past fights that have changed many peoples opinions. I've done this for fighters I really don't care for. Why? Because an honest fight is what we all want.

Why should I ' allow a chance ' when your questioning my free-givings of these videos? I should just give something up then take a kick to the teeth in return?

Help? Why don’t you help yourself first? The way I see it you are the only person here that has said un-equivocally there is no possibility that Rosehill may have landed the second to last punch to end the fight. Yeah I know he slipped on the ice was your reason...I guess in your world to use your words “everyone is blind, everyone is wrong” and no one got this right.

You fail once again.

If I ' ignored this ', why did I make yet *another* video to show you there were no lefts at all? Customary for me? Ignored? Just how disingenuous are you really as a person? I've refrained from speaking badly of others but your really starting to seem ' non-comprehensive '

One very important point, you fail to mention that it took you 2 days to finally make the second slow motion replay after you were pressed on this, you never included it in your original first replay. Why? When that was the punch everyone was discussing and not the later punch? This is the only question that I am interested in, I wonder if you will answer this? I'm betting you won't.

Why should I, I'm correct. . Why should I reassess anything when I'm on the mark the first time with the footage to prove it? I'm not the one whom believed to have known it all and spoke of these ' stiff lefts ' and phantom on-goings that never happened, only to now have to resort to remarks like -->

If you look at the consensus posts in this thread, you are not even close to being correct on that one. That’s a fact.

Riddle the world this ( or at least the world you live in ) :

When you started your banter about all these things that *didnt* happen ( which lead you to change your stance and then start to try and state others are being dishonest in some ways ), do you really think I didn't score the whole fight? Count hits? Solid shots? I try to be very thorough before I run my mouth. Maybe you should TRY to be as honest with others in the same manor before stating people are leaving things out intentionally.

I like to think of myself as a person that will amend a position if anything warrants amending. No one is correct 100% of the time. I realize this, do you?

There you are again, referring that I am being dishonest once more. This is even AFTER I posted a second video including those non-existent ' stiff lefts '.

You said there were 2. I showed there were less. You were outright wrong. Your STILL wrong.

You still insisted something existed and I proved there was nothing of the sort. Even *IF* I would have done as you said, left something out, you were STILL wrong. Theres no ' stiff lefts ' at all. Just face it, your wrong. Not 2, not 1, none.

I wouldn’t say dishonest, you said that. I didn't. Let’s not get personal here…Actually from our exchange I see you as a person who sees only what they want to see, reads what they only want to read, this would explain why I have to continue explaining the same things over to you before you finally get it. Ie. You keep referring to the 2 stiff lefts when I have explained that numerous times already, you kept referring to the second punch when everyone and myself told you it was the one before. I can appreciate that most of the time people are not going to agree on punches and victors in fights, but I do object when things are distorted to fit one's argument, for instance you kept on referring to the second punch when I and others told you it was the punch prior to that.

I used to make these videos for ALL to enjoy. They are what they are, another perspective. You have stated that such isn't wanted or is ' untrue '/'doctored'. So why should I waste my time with them if all they will bring are your headaches in return or more questioning of my sincerity?

Okay you are a swell guy, thanks for letting us know, I’m sure I’m a nice guy too, though I won’t get into the violins and expound on what I do that makes me such swell guy. Point even.

It would seem OBVIOUS to the simplest of minds WHY I don't feel like making these videos anymore but I don't know if you can grasp such or not at this point. It was not a ' threat ' about not making videos anymore, its a promise. People can thank you ( and some others ) for such later.

To use a hockey analogy it sounds like you don’t like to go into the corners.

Until such ( slo-mo vids ) are useful or appreciated again, without being told it was ' doctored/left things out ' or something, theres no point in contributing them. It just leads to individuals whom are proven totally wrong and continuously bantering trying to be relevant.

Correction, I never said they were doctored and this is banter, that is what a forum for hockey fights discussion should be. I think the only thing we are going to agree on here is we are not in agreement.

BTW What's this need of your's for wanting thanks and or appreciation for all of your posts?

[djaye]

Originally Posted by Interactif

Originally Posted by djaye
Help? Why don’t you help yourself first? The way I see it you are the only person here that has said un-equivocally there is no possibility that Rosehill may have landed the second to last punch to end the fight. Yeah I know he slipped on the ice was your reason...I guess in your world to use your words “everyone is blind, everyone is wrong” and no one got this right.

Yawn..

One very important point, you fail to mention that it took you 2 days to finally make the second slow motion replay after you were pressed on this, you never included it in your original first replay.

4 letter word. ' Time '.

Why? When that was the punch everyone was discussing and not the later punch? This is the only question that I am interested in, I wonder if you will answer this? I'm betting you won't.

I ALREADY have. Again, you show your loss of vision. You stated there were 2 punches. I proved one didn't exist ( first video ). Your whole argument was dead at that point. You retracted what you said ' 2 stiff lefts ' and decided to banter even more.

Just to toss you a cookie, I actually decided to add the last video. I didn't HAVE to do anything as you were ( and still are ) wrong.

If you look at the consensus posts in this thread, you are not even close to being correct on that one. That’s a fact.

At one point it was said the world was flat and was accepted as a fact as well. It was said by many people Cote wasn't KO'ed by Parros, slo-mo proved such wrong as well. Below you say "Okay you are a swell guy, thanks for letting us know", I bet you will change that statement sometime as well.

The Only fact on all of this is : You were always wrong, 2 stiff lefts you said?

I like to think of myself as a person that will amend a position if anything warrants amending. No one is correct 100% of the time. I realize this, do you?

I sure do. I see you as a whom will continuously argue till you get what you want.. But I see entertainment out of such and welcome your replies.

I wouldn’t say dishonest, you said that. I didn't. Let’s not get personal here…

I take pride in the work I do and offer to others. YOU apparently don't or might have forgotten this sentiment might exist for others. If you wish to question or even insinuate I doctored some video, be prepared to be called on such. Many give out of their own so long as its appreciated or respected for what it is. When you fail to do such, do not expect the person giving to consider you worth much of anything anymore.

Actually from our exchange I see you as a person who sees only what they want to see, reads what they only want to read, this would explain why I have to continue explaining the same things over to you before you finally get it.

ROFLMAO! You mirrored my thoughts of yourself.

Ie. You keep referring to the 2 stiff lefts when I have explained that numerous times already, you kept referring to the second punch when everyone and myself told you it was the one before.

As you said about ' getting it '. You stated there were 2. Doesn't matter that you later retracted such. Your comprehension hasn't come full circle to realize IM LAUGHING by saying such. I know you don't like barring the cross that you were wrong to begin with. I can see by your very mentioning of this that it erks/annoys you.

I can appreciate that most of the time people are not going to agree on punches and victors in fights, but I do object when things are distorted to fit one's argument, for instance you kept on referring to the second punch when I and others told you it was the punch prior to that.

Did you NOT state ' 2 stiff lefts '?

Okay you are a swell guy, thanks for letting us know, I’m sure I’m a nice guy too, though I won’t get into the violins and expound on what I do that makes me such swell guy. Point even.

Ok. If you say so! ROFLMAO!

To use a hockey analogy it sounds like you don’t like to go into the corners.

Whatever, Euro.

Correction, I never said they were doctored and this is banter, that is what a forum for hockey fights discussion should be. I think the only thing we are going to agree on here is we are not in agreement.

Ok.

BTW What's this need of your's for wanting thanks and or appreciation for all of your posts?

I don't have any ' needs ' nor wants. The only ' want ' is of yours to continue to argue. I am enjoying this! This happens to be one of the instances where you need to go and lick your ' 2-stiff-wounds '. .

Maybe you don't like that I proved you wrong?

I look forward to showing other instances where your just outright ' wrong ' to begin with. Its going to be a long season for your opinions. I hope your vision clears up.

Maybe you can remove that visor you wear. There is a glare off the visor connected to your helmet..

Cheers!

[Interactif]

I too enjoyed it very much! I look forward to many more jousts with you in the near future and proving you wrong all over again! For what it's worth I sensed the contrition from your last post.

Cheers, see you down the road.

[DaveBrown69]

Jay Rosehill vs Brad May-Draw.