Ottawa at NY Rangers 4/14/12

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Franchise

With all the cheap shots this post season, I'm starting to think the players are taking liberties due to Shanny and The Betts' lack of punnishment on Weber.

There were 3 incidents thus far that would normally draw suspensions (not including Weber's). We will see if Shanny cracks the whip.

Watch Hagelin get 4 games where Weber walked away free!

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by GOON 21

1 of the best 'physical' playoff games i have seen in a while, actually a long time


Boyle had a very good game (you can hate on him, hes not a great fighter, hes a big guy, etc i get that) but he still had a very effective game and was very much involved, cant deny that good job by Boyle


Good job by the Senators for taking it to the Rags right away, looks like coach Mclean wasnt letting his team forget any rough stuff - good series so by both teams and i hope i continues

Excellent post, Boyle wasn't slowed down at all and has been one of the better Rangers the last few weeks and I'm not knocking the Senators BTW. I'm annoyed at the Rangers. It's obvious that MacLean doesn't respect the Rangers PP and why would he, it sucks!

[PlayItAgain]

Originally Posted by ordinaryturd

Calling a WIN for Clarkson has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. Honestly just watch the play and stop being bloodthirsty homers. Boyle finishes his check on another Sens player, Clarkson comes in from the side, there is no square off, no eye-contact, only the definition of what is described in any fight medium as a SUCKER PUNCH. And then after the cheap shot, he continues to whale on Boyle as he's on the ice. The level of subjectivity in how you people react to these things is insane. Continuing to throw at someone when they're on the ice is explicitly against this "code" that you all love to trumpet so much when it works in your own team's favor. That was dirty all around from start to finish and Carkner should get at least 2-3 games.

Here are a couple facts you need to just deal with:
1. Boyle is not a "goon". He's a 3rd line checking center who happens to be 6'7'' and sucks at fighting. He hits and hard and plays tough but just because he's big doesn't mean a guy has to be a fighter. Call him a ***** fine, but deal with it, Carkner is a lead-footed goon who was put in for "retribution" that is not at all equivalent to Boyle's role.
2. Did any of you even see what Boyle did to Karrlson in game 1? He gave him frickin noogies for god's sake!! There was no "cheap shot", no dangerous play. Just a post-whistle scrum that happens to star players ACROSS THE BOARD in the playoffs. If that's the kind of play you people think deserves the retribution of literally being attacked and suckered by a goon who's hockey skill level is nowhere near playoffs worthy, you seriously need to go back to watching old tapes, because that kind of bush league stuff has no place in todays playoff hockey.

Get your eyes checked out. Boyle and Carkner were eye-to-eye.

[DARCY T]

Originally Posted by PlayItAgain

Get your eyes checked out. Boyle and Carkner were eye-to-eye.

thanks

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by ordinaryturd

Calling a WIN for Clarkson has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. Honestly just watch the play and stop being bloodthirsty homers. Boyle finishes his check on another Sens player, Clarkson comes in from the side, there is no square off, no eye-contact, only the definition of what is described in any fight medium as a SUCKER PUNCH. And then after the cheap shot, he continues to whale on Boyle as he's on the ice. The level of subjectivity in how you people react to these things is insane. Continuing to throw at someone when they're on the ice is explicitly against this "code" that you all love to trumpet so much when it works in your own team's favor. That was dirty all around from start to finish and Carkner should get at least 2-3 games.

Here are a couple facts you need to just deal with:
1. Boyle is not a "goon". He's a 3rd line checking center who happens to be 6'7'' and sucks at fighting. He hits and hard and plays tough but just because he's big doesn't mean a guy has to be a fighter. Call him a ***** fine, but deal with it, Carkner is a lead-footed goon who was put in for "retribution" that is not at all equivalent to Boyle's role.
2. Did any of you even see what Boyle did to Karrlson in game 1? He gave him frickin noogies for god's sake!! There was no "cheap shot", no dangerous play. Just a post-whistle scrum that happens to star players ACROSS THE BOARD in the playoffs. If that's the kind of play you people think deserves the retribution of literally being attacked and suckered by a goon who's hockey skill level is nowhere near playoffs worthy, you seriously need to go back to watching old tapes, because that kind of bush league stuff has no place in todays playoff hockey.

Well said, excellent post. Somebody posting with their big head instead of the little one.

[cookie monster]

Am I the only one who thinks Boyle didn't turtle, but got layed out by the second punch?

Why all the hate on Boyle? So what if he's 6'7" and can't fight, at least he tries? He's also a college player and while guys like Neil and Carkner were learing how to fight in junior hockey , Boyle was in class.

I never understood why guys who aren't good fighters, but at least try get so much disrespect. There are alot worse guys in the NHL that need more mocking than Brian Boyle.

He has fights against J-F Jaques, Matt Clackson, Ryan Flinn, Theo Peckham, Nicholas Blanchard, Matt Walker, Zenon Kenopka, Adam Mair, Jody Shelly, Tom Sestito, Wayne Simmonds and now Chris Neil.

Not a bad fight card in my opinion.

[Pillager]

Originally Posted by V12_Bi-Turbo

My comments:

3) I can excuse Carkner breaking the code only if he had challenged Boyle a couple of times and Boyle did not go (did not watch the games so i cannot tell)

Good post, but I disagree with you here. Carkner doesn't have to wait for anything - he (seemed to) ask Boyle to go, gave him a glove on punch before dropping the gloves, then forced the issue. Classic, old-school enforcing. Totally according to code as far as I'm concerned.

[Janssen25]

Probably some of the best enforcing I've seen in a long long time. Carkner was clearly instructed to take care of business and did so, emphatically. Well done Mr. Carkner.

I'm convinced that this incident has given the Sens life in this series.

[jp4202003]

Originally Posted by Franchise

With all the cheap shots this post season, I'm starting to think the players are taking liberties due to Shanny and The Betts' lack of punnishment on Weber.

There were 3 incidents thus far that would normally draw suspensions (not including Weber's). We will see if Shanny cracks the whip.

Not so bad an idea.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Probably some of the best enforcing I've seen in a long long time. Carkner was clearly instructed to take care of business and did so, emphatically. Well done Mr. Carkner.

I'm convinced that this incident has given the Sens life in this series.

Like Adam Graves with Claude Lemieux!

[GOON 21]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Excellent post, Boyle wasn't slowed down at all and has been one of the better Rangers the last few weeks and I'm not knocking the Senators BTW. I'm annoyed at the Rangers. It's obvious that MacLean doesn't respect the Rangers PP and why would he, it sucks!

Thanks Jack


The funny this is im FAAAAR from a Rag$ fan, (im a hater lol) but im still a 'hockey fan' especially when its good old school rough emotional hockey and this particluar game was entertaining and emotional right from the start!


And il defend Boyle 1 more time --- the guy had a great game, was involved all night long from some body-hits/open ice checks, some fights, blocked shots, and scored a goal, he was all over the place last night on the ice


How can ANYONE whos a fan of physical hockey not like that? i dont understand it, that was a very entertaining hockey game!



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[Isles4life]

This was an awesome game.

The Sens played a rather uninspired game 1, and during that game they happened to watch one of their star players in Karlsson get roughed up in a scrum by Brian Boyle. While notoriously not the greatest fighter for a guy his size, Boyle is a much more pugilistic player. The Sens were looking for something to rally around and they chose that. Even as a Ranger fan, can you blame them? If a guy like Zenon Konopka was roughing up Gaborik or Brad Richards in a scrum (which he did in game 2), wouldn't you want your team's tough guys to make him answer the bell?

Carkner gave Boyle the opportunity to defend himself, he chose not to. I think Carkner's goal was to instigate the fight, not to end up with a total jump job that would put his team down a man for 5 minutes. Boyle stared back at Carkner, I guess figuring Carkner wouldn't start throwing punches, but he did. That's not a sucker punch, that's Boyle making the conscious decision to not defend himself and Carkner choosing to enforce to rally his team. You may not like Carkner continuing to pummel Boyle on the ice, but that's an effort to send a message.

But what the hell is this talk of supplementary discipline for Carkner? It clearly wasn't a sucker punch, and even if you don't like it, when did it become a suspendable offense to keep punching a guy once he's down in a fight? He got 5 and a game, putting his team on a penalty kill for a major penalty. That's pretty harsh. What's this nonsense of calling for a suspension?

Dubinsky did the right thing coming to the aid of his teammate. Unfortunately, followed the rulebook rather literally and gave him the boot for being third man in. Tough break and a very soft call in my opinion, but hey, at least it gives Dubinsky something that's actually worth complaining about!

Anyway, Neil-Boyle was a garbage draw.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

This is so funny coming from someone that vehemently stuck up for Gaustad this year. I doubt anyone would accuse you of being hockey knowledgable so it really doesn't matter I guess.

What does Gaustad have to do with Boyle being a HUGE *****?

When are you going to give some "hockey knowlege" classes there guru?

Don't take people saying something negative about a team you cheer for so personally.

made it through a page and almost puked. A couple douches whose teams are playing golf crying about Boyle. I hope Boyle retires a Ranger and he played a great game last night. He can't fight, oh well. Hedidn't back down and his team should have rallied around him.

Boo Hoo. What a fukin drama queen. He didn't back down? That's a fukin laugh. He dropped his gloves ... then bailed like a *****.

[smashem]

Any day of seeing Boyle get his head caved in is a good one.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

What does Gaustad have to do with Boyle being a HUGE *****?

When are you going to give some "hockey knowlege" classes there guru?

Don't take people saying something negative about a team you cheer for so personally.

Boo Hoo. What a fukin drama queen. He didn't back down? That's a fukin laugh. He dropped his gloves ... then bailed like a *****.

He didn't back down as in he played his game after getting mauled by Carkner and challenged by Neal. A lot of players would be intimidated after that. he simply went out and played a great hockey game.