NY Rangers at NY Islanders 11/15/11

[GODARDNYI]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

Well, most NHL players are tougher than the average human, but as far as hockey toughness, Avery is just not toiugh, sorry. Great pest, but not tough.

you really don't think avery is tough? i think the dude is tough as nails

[Janssen25]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

Speaking of team toughness when was the last time we saw the NJ devils in the YSTB section? At least Fatso and Patrick Roy are getting play in the NHL Chat forum.

Ah yes the ignorant statement of fight totals determine toughness. Classic.

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

Were you on your period when you cried for mod intervention in the Jets thread? You just couldn't take the trolling that you always dish out. WAAAAA, why do they let Canuck2 get away with this? WAAAAAA!

You keep bringing that up I see. Must have really rubbed you the wrong way. So Sensitive.

If you can't see a difference between me calling Avery "laughable" for struggling to a draw with Mike Mottau and what Casuck2 did in the Jets thread last year, you're dumber then I originally anticipated.

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

You want facts? You should because you are wrong with everything you typed here. It's a 7 game winning streak, but I said 8 so that's on me. Avery has played 5 of those games and he was a healthy scratch for one game, so even a dimwit like yourself could see how full of shXt you are if you would just wipe Brodeur's money shot out of your eyes and get the facts. He was placed on re-entry waivers Oct. 31 and cleared Nov. 1. he streak started Oct. 31 so he was on the team for 6 of the 7 games and played in 5 of them. At least you called me a clown while typing BS. Now I know why you need the mods to fight your battles for you.

Oh I see so, Avery didn't even need to be in the line-up to turn things around for the Rags. He just needed to be on the roster. Thats true, he does have magical powers. You can't make this sh!t up.

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

Show me where I said he was the reason for the winning streak. I was just proving he is not the cancer some idiots say he is on this team. One thing I hate are idiots trying to read between the lines when they obviously have problems reading what is right in front of them. What I wrote is all I meant. If he was a lockerroom cancer they would not have started the winning streak when he was called up. If the sensitive girls on other teams couldn't handle him, that is on them. Henry wanted Avery up before he was called up but I guess a biased Devil's fan that has no facts knows more.

Ok, so you're basing Sean Avery's career in the locker room on the 5 games he's played this year? Just brilliant.

It goes back to the days of Shanahan where numerous players were quoted saying he was a distraction. How about his days with the Kings when Ian Laperriere stated, "he was the worst teammate I've ever had." Should I bring up what Torts has said about him, you know his current coach? We won't even get into his days with the Stars where numerous players made it clear they didn't want anything to do with him.

I guess all that means nothing though because he's played 5 games of a 7 game winning streak.

Keep up the objective good work.

Originally Posted by GODARDNYI

you really don't think avery is tough? i think the dude is tough as nails

Toughest player in the league.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by Janssen25

You keep bringing that up I see. Must have really rubbed you the wrong way. So Sensitive.

If you can't see a difference between me calling Avery "laughable" for struggling to a draw with Mike Mottau and what Casuck2 did in the Jets thread last year, you're dumber then I originally anticipated.

The guy who calls for mod intervention is calling me sensitive. Classic. I'm not interested in what are acceptable levels of trolling to you. It's all good with me.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Oh I see so, Avery didn't even need to be in the line-up to turn things around for the Rags. He just needed to be on the roster. Thats true, he does have magical powers. You can't make this sh!t up.

That's funny but again, nothing I said. He didn't turn things around himself. To me, he is simply part of the team and I don't like missing parts. If he was a cancer like you have claimed then he would only need to be on the roster and around the team to cause a decline in play. That was my point. Just saying that I think you were wrong.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Ok, so you're basing Sean Avery's career in the locker room on the 5 games he's played this year? Just brilliant.

It goes back to the days of Shanahan where numerous players were quoted saying he was a distraction. How about his days with the Kings when Ian Laperriere stated, "he was the worst teammate I've ever had." Should I bring up what Torts has said about him, you know his current coach? We won't even get into his days with the Stars where numerous players made it clear they didn't want anything to do with him.

First off, entire career? Why would I care about that? When you said the Rangers should not bring him up this year I don't think you were talking about his days in LA. That means nothing to the Rangers at all. Richards was on the Stars and has no problem with him but if you think what that pissflap Mike Modano thought about Avery has anything to do with this year then you are mistaken.

Second I would imagine if you knew what Torts said about him then you would have typed it. If you are talking about this year I remember him saying that they had better hockey players than Avery at this point but I don't remember him bashing Avery's character. If anything I have gained more respect for Tortorella for putting his words aside and moving Avery up with Richards for some time after he started playing better. I don't care what he said about him in the past but it does have more relevance than Lappy.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

I guess all that means nothing though because he's played 5 games of a 7 game winning streak.

Keep up the objective good work.

No, you're right. What Mike Modano and Lappy think about Avery is more important than what Lunqvist thinks of him. Retired players > Teammates. How could I not see that?

Winning streak = no cancer. Nothing more or less.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by GODARDNYI

you really don't think avery is tough? i think the dude is tough as nails

I said i think all NHL palyers are tough, but comparing him to the rest, no.Tough guys don't fail to drop them with MIke Mottau.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

I swear. Every Avery thread on this board is always pure gold.

[slashtrey]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

I swear. Every Avery thread on this board is always pure gold.

At least it's entertaining...listen...obviously Avery is not a terrific player or fighter, but what he does bring is a spark. He gets the other team pissed off, and they get off their game trying to chase him around. The game gets grittier. The Rangers have plenty of guys who love to play in games like that. So many of their guys follow through with hits and are also willing to drop the gloves. And while the other team is trying to deal with physical play, the skill players come on the ice and they've been getting it done. With Avery in the lineup, more games are like that.

Is he tougher than the average player? Maybe in today's game where most players are unwilling to fight even once or twice a year. I'd call him average toughness, but top notch pest.

[Janssen25]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

The guy who calls for mod intervention is calling me sensitive. Classic. I'm not interested in what are acceptable levels of trolling to you. It's all good with me.

Again with this? Where did I call for mod intervention you drama queen? Please post where I requested mods to get involved. I simply stated that I had no idea how he was able to get away with the relentless bashing of the Jets in the "team forum."

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

That's funny but again, nothing I said. He didn't turn things around himself. To me, he is simply part of the team and I don't like missing parts. If he was a cancer like you have claimed then he would only need to be on the roster and around the team to cause a decline in play. That was my point. Just saying that I think you were wrong.

Thats great. You're entitled to your opinion. You think he's an intrical part of the Rangers success the past 7 games. To me his whole career has proven that while in short increments he can be effective, overall he's a total gutless sideshow and history has proven this.

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

First off, entire career? Why would I care about that? When you said the Rangers should not bring him up this year I don't think you were talking about his days in LA. That means nothing to the Rangers at all. Richards was on the Stars and has no problem with him but if you think what that pissflap Mike Modano thought about Avery has anything to do with this year then you are mistaken.

What else should we go by? Oh thats right, we should go by his 5 games this year and totally disregard the rest of his career. Good call.

If Avery was so important and such a great locker room influence why did they waive him and then wait 11 games into his season to bring him up? Why did every team in the league (besides the Rags) pass on claiming him at half price?

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

No, you're right. What Mike Modano and Lappy think about Avery is more important than what Lunqvist thinks of him. Retired players > Teammates. How could I not see that?

Winning streak = no cancer. Nothing more or less.

First of all its LunDqvist.

What do you expect Lundqvist to do rip his teammate apart. He's currently on his team, the Queen is smart enough not to start a divide in his own locker room.

Like I said, you choose to judge Avery over his past 5 games. Fantastic. I'll stick to my guns and judge Avery by his whole career.

Its well documented how much of a sideshow distraction he's been throughout his career. No team he's ever been on in his entire career has had any post season success. You must think its a coincidence, but I don't. Like i said, he'll show signs of pulling his weight but in the end the true selfish and gutless Sean Avery always comes out.

BTW about this whole winning streak, while they've been playing well, take a look at who they've beaten before getting all giddy.

San Jose - 7th Place West (was the last game of a 6 game road trip)
Anaheim - 14th Place West
Montreal - 12th Place East
Winnipeg - 14th Place East
Ottawa - 8th Place East
Carolina - 13th Place East
NYI -15th Place East

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by slashtrey

At least it's entertaining...listen...obviously Avery is not a terrific player or fighter, but what he does bring is a spark. He gets the other team pissed off, and they get off their game trying to chase him around. The game gets grittier. The Rangers have plenty of guys who love to play in games like that. So many of their guys follow through with hits and are also willing to drop the gloves. And while the other team is trying to deal with physical play, the skill players come on the ice and they've been getting it done. With Avery in the lineup, more games are like that.

Is he tougher than the average player? Maybe in today's game where most players are unwilling to fight even once or twice a year. I'd call him average toughness, but top notch pest.

He's a great pest, and I understand why you like him, and I'm sure you understand why so many don't.

[slashtrey]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

He's a great pest, and I understand why you like him, and I'm sure you understand why so many don't.

Definitely...he's a guy that is easy to hate. I guess over his career he's figured out how to use it to his advantage at times. I'm not even an Avery fan myself, but I don't hate him just because I'm a Ranger fan. I like the style he brings to the entire game, not him personally.

[Janssen25]

The best part about all this is I actually don't hate Avery.

He's a pest who stirs sh!t up which at times leads to a more physical game and he brings entertainment to the game.

I just think any team that wants to win should stay away from him with a 10 foot pole.

[papas1175]

Originally Posted by Isles4life

Mottau did better than I was anticipating against Avery. I'd call that one a draw. If it was literally anyone else on the Rangers dropping the gloves against Mottau besides Avery that I would have been rooting for them.

Martin, as usual, the only Islander consistently finishing his checks, and he caught Emminger pretty good, who didn't like the hit and went back at him. Prust comes to the aid of his teammate, and I agree that even though Martin is usually more of a grappler, it really did look like he was injured or something in the fight and was reluctant to throw. Win Prust.

^ good post, I agree, Martin did look like he was hurt and was holding on in the middle of the fight

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Again with this? Where did I call for mod intervention you drama queen? Please post where I requested mods to get involved. I simply stated that I had no idea how he was able to get away with the relentless bashing of the Jets in the "team forum."

It seems pretty clear to me. You even posted the rule you felt he was breaking.

2010 New York Jets thread

That would have no relevance if you weren't playing the sensitive card with me. You go down that road then I will be waiting.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Thats great. You're entitled to your opinion. You think he's an intrical part of the Rangers success the past 7 games. To me his whole career has proven that while in short increments he can be effective, overall he's a total gutless sideshow and history has proven this.

I never said intrical. No reason to add that. He has fought some good middleweights in recent history and has been fighting for his teammates but I wouldn't try to change your mind on that view. I would imagine I would feel the same way if he was on the Devils but I don't know for sure.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

What else should we go by? Oh thats right, we should go by his 5 games this year and totally disregard the rest of his career. Good call.

As a whole you could use every team and player that played with him but it has nothing to do with the present or the decision to call him up this year. You said it was a desperation move to get him back in the lockerroom but why would they call him back up if he was such a problem. I heard he and Richards got along in Dallas but I really don't know. That would be the only relevant teammate from the past teams that mattered.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

If Avery was so important and such a great locker room influence why did they waive him and then wait 11 games into his season to bring him up? Why did every team in the league (besides the Rags) pass on claiming him at half price?

Torts doesn't exactly love the guy is my opinion. I told you he said "We have better hockey players than him right now". I would not be surprised if the orders to call him back up came from Sather or even Dolan himself.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

First of all its LunDqvist.

What do you expect Lundqvist to do rip his teammate apart. He's currently on his team, the Queen is smart enough not to start a divide in his own locker room.

See what I mean about the spelling. So quick to pounce and then you can't even figure out when to use "then" or "than".

The Henry statements were very important in my mind because they came BEFORE Avery was called up. It was after the stinker at home were the crowd was chanting for Avery in the third that Brodeur's master, King Henry offered his opinion. He said that Avery "Brings a lot to the table but if this is the lineup management thinks is best for us then we have to go with it". For someone that likes to try and read between the lines you should see that as a pretty telling statement.

Originally Posted by Janssen25

Like I said, you choose to judge Avery over his past 5 games. Fantastic. I'll stick to my guns and judge Avery by his whole career.

Its well documented how much of a sideshow distraction he's been throughout his career. No team he's ever been on in his entire career has had any post season success. You must think its a coincidence, but I don't. Like i said, he'll show signs of pulling his weight but in the end the true selfish and gutless Sean Avery always comes out.

It was never about judging Avery, it was about the decision to call Avery up which you called a desperation move to bring him back into the lockerroom. Now it seems like you are saying that the Rangers should have said, "Look, we have had him on our team for a couple years and we know what we are getting but maybe we should check in with Mike Modano to see what he feels about the move".

Originally Posted by Janssen25

BTW about this whole winning streak, while they've been playing well, take a look at who they've beaten before getting all giddy.

San Jose - 7th Place West (was the last game of a 6 game road trip)
Anaheim - 14th Place West
Montreal - 12th Place East
Winnipeg - 14th Place East
Ottawa - 8th Place East
Carolina - 13th Place East
NYI -15th Place East

Come on now, we both know that would be 3-2-2 most years. I feel they will be in contention for first in the division and that thought has nothing to do with the winning streak. They have finally built a nice young core from within and added a couple high priced players to go along with them. Remember, they are doing this without their best defensemen. They have a good team.

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by GODARDNYI

you really don't think avery is tough? i think the dude is tough as nails

Phony tough. Dude is the biggest joke in the NHL.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

I wouldn't go that far.

Yeah, that was sarcasm.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

Yeah, that was sarcasm.

Wow, so subtle. Who would have guessed it? My response was a tongue in cheek just in case you need shXt spelled out for you. I actually thought you were saying I was not biased slingblade.