The Top 10 Thread

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by rondo

Why all the hate on Godard..... He is a top 5 guy hands down. He has one clear loss this year and that is to Orr. Forget those little hiccups to Brookbank, Rupp, and Cote. Not one of those guys went to the penalty box and felt they beat Godard. He picked Brookbank up so the fight could go on. Cote throws a few pot shots and goes for the tackle. Rupp bores fighters and they fall into his trap. Orr beat him cleanly in one of there 3 fights and we all know what happened to Orr in there last fight. My a$$ it was a quik KD (lmao). Orr was done and his legs proved (jelly).

If you need further evidence just where has John Erskine been since Godard put him on the IR with a concussion.

Derek Boogaard has not been the same force he was before Godard TKO him.

Macintyre......?

He does have him in the top 5 btw.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by Gage55

He does have him in the top 5 btw.

He should have him in the top 5 or higher. I like Orr alot but I get sick of his groupies. He (Orr) has had his share of losses but people only want to remember his wins. Half or more of his post was on why he thinks Godard is not in the top echelon of fighters. He is every bit as close as Orr is. Has Orr beat Boogaard 2x, and not to hate on Orr but he has been handled easily by Brashear and Laraque many of times in his career. This season he has a draw with Brashear and Godard did that 3-4 years ago and also opened up Brash with a hard right on the brow in a very good fight and this was when Brash was three or four years younger...........

[The Crow]

Originally Posted by rondo

He should have him in the top 5 or higher. I like Orr alot but I get sick of his groupies. He (Orr) has had his share of losses but people only want to remember his wins. Half or more of his post was on why he thinks Godard is not in the top echelon of fighters. He is every bit as close as Orr is. Has Orr beat Boogaard 2x, and not to hate on Orr but he has been handled easily by Brashear and Laraque many of times in his career. This season he has a draw with Brashear and Godard did that 3-4 years ago and also opened up Brash with a hard right on the brow in a very good fight and this was when Brash was three or four years younger...........

Then that is your opinion. I placed Godard at fifth, which by the was is a top 5 spot (do the math) and you seem to lebel me as a Godard hater and an Orr homer. I am neither. I'm not saying all these guys are way better than Godard, but here's the way I think of it. Every fighter above Godard would beat him in a ten fight series at this point in time.

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by rondo

He should have him in the top 5 or higher. I like Orr alot but I get sick of his groupies. He (Orr) has had his share of losses but people only want to remember his wins. Half or more of his post was on why he thinks Godard is not in the top echelon of fighters. He is every bit as close as Orr is. Has Orr beat Boogaard 2x, and not to hate on Orr but he has been handled easily by Brashear and Laraque many of times in his career. This season he has a draw with Brashear and Godard did that 3-4 years ago and also opened up Brash with a hard right on the brow in a very good fight and this was when Brash was three or four years younger...........

Hey I wasn't defending godard or trashing orr Im just saying, he does have him in the top 5.

And Godard did drop orr correct?

[Gunslinger]

My month end top 10 rankings again. Any comments or corrections welcome as always.
1)Brash>Did enough to maintain his "championship" claim. BGL coming strong though,
2)Orr>Loss to Godard hurts but active and winning gives him #2
3)BGL>Heeeee's back. Orr and Brash better watch out. See if he keeps it up.
4)Godard>Started well, finished poor, drops him a couple.
5)Belak>If he was more active, would probably be 1 higher.
6)Parros> Active and consistant if not dominant.
7)Boogey>inactivity causes big drop.
8)Shelley>Old pro hangs on, barely.
9)Clarkson> 9 and 10 are always controversial spots. I give 9 for this month to Clarkson for activity and quality of victories.(These are my MONTHLY rankings, not overall remember.)
10)Asham> See above.
HOM> Ivanans, Thornton, Boll, Boulton

[rondo]

Originally Posted by The Crow

Then that is your opinion. I placed Godard at fifth, which by the was is a top 5 spot (do the math) and you seem to lebel me as a Godard hater and an Orr homer. I am neither. I'm not saying all these guys are way better than Godard, but here's the way I think of it. Every fighter above Godard would beat him in a ten fight series at this point in time.

I have no problem with you having Godard at #5 it is your opinion and that is what we are debating. However he is ahead of Boogaard in there series. Even with Brashear and I honestly feel that right now he would beat a 37 year old Brasher in a series considering he edged out Brashear three or four younger years ago. Has had a couple of crappy short fights with Laraque in which neither have landed a good punch. Orr has his number a bit 3-1-1 imo or it could be 4-1 depending your opinion. Orr clobbered him in there first 2 fights but Godard seems to have found a recipe to beating his biggest rival. As evidenced by there last fight. Either way both guys are on there way to the top.

[The Crow]

Originally Posted by rondo

I have no problem with you having Godard at #5 it is your opinion and that is what we are debating. However he is ahead of Boogaard in there series. Even with Brashear and I honestly feel that right now he would beat a 37 year old Brasher in a series considering he edged out Brashear three or four younger years ago. Has had a couple of crappy short fights with Laraque in which neither have landed a good punch. Orr has his number a bit 3-1-1 imo or it could be 4-1 depending your opinion. Orr clobbered him in there first 2 fights but Godard seems to have found a recipe to beating his biggest rival. As evidenced by there last fight. Either way both guys are on there way to the top.

I just don't see how you can say Godard has a recipe to beat Orr after 1 win. In my opinion, it takes at least two decisive wins to prove that. Also, you say Godard would edge out Brashear in a series. But by you saying he edged out Brashear a few years ago is absurd. Blood does not win a fight, and I scored that an edge Brash. In the end, we have contradicting opinions so it's not worth going back and forth forever. Let's just agree to disagree.

[Gage55]

Originally Posted by rondo

I have no problem with you having Godard at #5 it is your opinion and that is what we are debating. However he is ahead of Boogaard in there series. Even with Brashear and I honestly feel that right now he would beat a 37 year old Brasher in a series considering he edged out Brashear three or four younger years ago. Has had a couple of crappy short fights with Laraque in which neither have landed a good punch. Orr has his number a bit 3-1-1 imo or it could be 4-1 depending your opinion. Orr clobbered him in there first 2 fights but Godard seems to have found a recipe to beating his biggest rival. As evidenced by there last fight. Either way both guys are on there way to the top.

I just don't see how you can say Godard is better than Brash. But carry on bickering.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by The Crow

I just don't see how you can say Godard has a recipe to beat Orr after 1 win. In my opinion, it takes at least two decisive wins to prove that. Also, you say Godard would edge out Brashear in a series. But by you saying he edged out Brashear a few years ago is absurd. Blood does not win a fight, and I scored that an edge Brash. In the end, we have contradicting opinions so it's not worth going back and forth forever. Let's just agree to disagree.

It's pretty evident to me that Godard has figured something out. In there first 2 fights Orr dominated Godard. Broke his nose and I also think a concussion in the first fight and dropped him in the second. In there first two fights this year Orr was the aggressor but imo those fights were closer than most think (I don't put much stock in throwing and missing) and Godard narrowly missed putting Orr down in both fights. However he found his target in there last fight. Thus leading me to believe he has found something. I think I've noticed what but I will wait and see.

As for Brashear fight. I gave the edge to Godard (brashear chose to slip at the end) he won the first part and imo landed the best punch of the fight. Yeah Brash threw a bunch at the end but imo did little damage to Godard. I love the look on Brashs face as he was getting up all bloodied in that fight. "Wow" that kid hits hard I am glad that fight is over and I will do my best to avoid him from now on. Difference of opinions I guess........

[rondo]

Originally Posted by Gage55

I just don't see how you can say Godard is better than Brash. But carry on bickering.

I would take Godard over Brashear right now. Brashear has been a top 3 guy for 10 plus seasons so I give him top marks for that. However imo time may be catching up to the 37 year old. It happens to all of them and Brahsear is still a top HW but he knows when to fight and picks his spots now. I am not saying he is a spot picker but chooses his times now more than ever.

[fightingfan]

new list....

1. brash
2. bgl
3. godard
4. orr
5. belak
6. boogey
7. open
8. open
9. open
10. open

the top six are the only locked up spots IMO. everything else is up for grabs.

brash is still champ. hasnt lost yet.
bgl, when healthy just under brash.
godard the most impressive this year. hasnt beaten the top two so he is at 3.
orr is impressive too. right with godard.
belak is very consistant. needs to fight more
boogey, needs to fight more. not impressive at all this year

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

new list....

1. brash
2. bgl
3. godard
4. orr
5. belak
6. boogey
7. open
8. open
9. open
10. open

the top six are the only locked up spots IMO. everything else is up for grabs.

brash is still champ. hasnt lost yet.
bgl, when healthy just under brash.
godard the most impressive this year. hasnt beaten the top two so he is at 3.
orr is impressive too. right with godard.
belak is very consistant. needs to fight more
boogey, needs to fight more. not impressive at all this year

Good list, in your open spots i would put Shelley, Parros, Ivanans, and MacIntyre.

[fightingfan]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

Good list, in your open spots i would put Shelley, Parros, Ivanans, and MacIntyre.

big mac is deff going to be put in soon. shelley is a good pick as well. im not a fan of parros and ivanans i just feel like they are ok and that there size is all they have

[The Crow]

Originally Posted by rondo

It's pretty evident to me that Godard has figured something out. In there first 2 fights Orr dominated Godard. Broke his nose and I also think a concussion in the first fight and dropped him in the second. In there first two fights this year Orr was the aggressor but imo those fights were closer than most think (I don't put much stock in throwing and missing) and Godard narrowly missed putting Orr down in both fights. However he found his target in there last fight. Thus leading me to believe he has found something. I think I've noticed what but I will wait and see.

As for Brashear fight. I gave the edge to Godard (brashear chose to slip at the end) he won the first part and imo landed the best punch of the fight. Yeah Brash threw a bunch at the end but imo did little damage to Godard. I love the look on Brashs face as he was getting up all bloodied in that fight. "Wow" that kid hits hard I am glad that fight is over and I will do my best to avoid him from now on. Difference of opinions I guess........

You can say that about pretty much any fight. Orr has dominated Godard like you said, intil ONE fight when Godard won. And you think that one win justifies someone being a better fighter, even though that's their only win against a certain opponent? Give me a break. I guess you'll just never change your opinion, and I find it crazy you could give Godard the win against Brash in their fight a while back, but you're not the only one who thinks blood wins a fight I guess. It's really cool how you could read Brash's mind and his thoughts after watching the fight. Like I said, let's agree to disagree, I especially don't want to argue with a psychic anyway

[Gage55]

I have been critiquing lists so Ill put one


1)Brash
2)Orr
3)BGL
4)Godard
5)Boogey
6)Belak
7)Parros
8)Shelley
9) Ivanans

Im not going to pick a 10, To tough to call.