The Top 10 Thread - Page 52

skacore · #**766** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jd99gtNYR

I definitely think Ivanans has show to be a Top 10 guy. He's had good wins against Lucic and Mcleod, and A great showing against Koci, which I think was a win not a draw.

As for Orr....He has beat Belak once this year, and had a really close fight with him which shouldve been scored a draw. He also had a T2T with Mcgratts, that shouldve been scored a draw as well. That should put him at least in front of Belak as top 6.
And Godard has trashed Boulerice, and had great scraps against Boogard, King, and BGL.

My point is, why do Orr and Godard lose their spots for putting up good fights against top 3-4 HWs, but the top 3-4 never change when they dont beat these guys like they hypothetically should?

Ivanans - narrow win over Lucic, win over McLeod, draw with Koci, draw with Pyatt... how is that even close to top 10 worthy? None of those guys are top 10 fighters, the only one even close being Koci. Ivanans was doing great last year after his draw with Laraque, he was definitely moving his way up the rankings but has taken a bit of a setback and hasn't been fighting at all lately.

Orr - narrow loss to Belak, narrow win against Belak (IMO). He continues to beat up on lesser fighters but can't touch top 5 guys... he has been going back and forth with Belak for a couple years battling for a spot somewhere from 5th to 8th but hasn't done enough to securely put himself ahead of Belak.

skacore · #**767** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 06:34 PM

My current top 10 is...

1 Georges Laraque
2 Brian McGrattan
3 Donald Brashear
4 Derek Boogaard
5 Wade Belak
6 Andrew Peters
7 Colton Orr
8 D.J. King
9 Eric Godard
10 George Parros

Laraque - hasn't been clearly beaten in 3 years, controversial "TKO loss" to Brashear, but not enough to put Brashear into #1.

McGrattan - his only loss in the last 2 years came to Laraque, he can lock out and out land any other heavyweight. Wins against Brashear in their last two fights puts him in #2 spot.

Brashear - hasn't been able to beat Laraque in recent years and has lost his last 2 fights with McGrattan which is why I have him lower, his dominance over all other heavyweights keeps him safely in the top 3 for now.

Boogaard - hasn't been able to beat Laraque and hasn't had the opportunity to beat Brashear or McGrattan in recent years, he is the most devastating fighter in the league but occasional losses to guys like Koci, Parros, and Godard will keep him out of top 3 territory.

Belak - doesn't get enough play time but has the ability to hold his own and beat anyone in the league. In recent years he has had the edge over other top 10 guys like Orr, Peters, and Parros but hasn't had an opportunity to take on Godard or King. I still feel that Belak is established enough to hold a top 5 spot and until Orr, Peters, Godard, or King can start coming up with consistent wins against other top heavies, Belak will hold his ground in the top 5.

Peters - two pour showings against Cote, a loss to McGrattan, and two very slight edges over Parros (IMO). He is currently in the top based on past years, he's proved he can hang with McGrattan, Brashear, and Belak, but he has been falling off the radar recently and knocked himself out of top 5 territory. Maybe he should get back on the roids...?

Orr - narrow loss to Belak, narrow win against Belak (IMO). He continues to beat up on lesser fighters but can't touch top 5 guys... he has been going back and forth with Belak for a couple years battling for a spot somewhere from 5th to 8th but hasn't done enough to securely put himself ahead of Belak.

King - his only 2 losses since he came to the NHL were against Boogaard and I'm really excited to see where King really stands... but last night he was beat by a lesser heavyweight in Barch and that makes it easier for me to list him at #8... I expect him to battle back and dominate the other heavyweights and eventually contend for a top 3 spot, but not yet

Godard - he can hang with anyone, he dropped Boogaard last year and held his own twice against him. A couple years ago he had 3 great fights with McGrattan although McGrattan landed better. Poor showings this year against Parker twice, Semenov, and McCormick have hurt him a bit... his great toe to toe fight with D.J. King in which King landed slightly better is a good indication of where he stands... 1 spot behind King.

Parros - can hang with anyone but isn't the greatest fighter, picked up a narrow win over Boogaard this year and is able to beat the heavyweights sitting just outside the top 10 (Shelley and Koci) which is enough to keep him in the top 10... for now

jd99gtNYR · #**768** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by skacore

Ivanans - narrow win over Lucic, win over McLeod, draw with Koci, draw with Pyatt... how is that even close to top 10 worthy? None of those guys are top 10 fighters, the only one even close being Koci. Ivanans was doing great last year after his draw with Laraque, he was definitely moving his way up the rankings but has taken a bit of a setback and hasn't been fighting at all lately.

Orr - narrow loss to Belak, narrow win against Belak (IMO). He continues to beat up on lesser fighters but can't touch top 5 guys... he has been going back and forth with Belak for a couple years battling for a spot somewhere from 5th to 8th but hasn't done enough to securely put himself ahead of Belak.

Orr is 2-2 lifetime against Belak, or 2-1-1- I think their first fight this year was a draw. Either way, what has Belak shown this year that has been better than Orr? And Orr went T2T with Mcgratts, and IMO got at least a draw in that fight.
So what has Orr not done to be in the top 6, or even top 5 for that matter?

skacore · #**769** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd99gtNYR

Orr is 2-2 lifetime against Belak, or 2-1-1- I think their first fight this year was a draw. Either way, what has Belak shown this year that has been better than Orr? And Orr went T2T with Mcgratts, and IMO got at least a draw in that fight.
So what has Orr not done to be in the top 6, or even top 5 for that matter?

Orr vs. Belak
first fight - narrow win Orr (Orr busted him up but the fight itself was pretty even)
second fight - clear win Belak (Belak controlled, Orr never got going)
third fight - narrow win Belak
fourth fight - draw (Belak early, Orr late, note: Belak got a nice jump on Orr)

so I have it as Orr's 1-2-1 to Belak's 2-1-1.

Belak can handle superheavies better than Orr in my opinion, and Belak has a tendency to avenge his losses. Orr can't find a way to hold his own with Laraque and Brashear like Belak can.

I really like Orr and his wide open style, I hope eventually he is able to drop some big big names, but until then he's not a top 5 fighter.

And I loved his fight with McGrattan but he didn't "at least" get a draw... at best he got a draw in that scrap.

EDIT: I only have Peters over Orr for the time being because Peters beat Orr in their only fight last year and they haven't met this year... if Peters continues his pace, Orr will leapfrog him in no time at all

brawls16 · #**770** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes McSnipes

Ha. That's funny.

And Laraque and Brashear DON'T keep on winning?

Umm... they are the two most dominant fighters in the league... they win a lot... more than Belak. So what are you trying to say? That Belak is better? Give me a break.

Belak's fights are far more entertaining than both Laraque and Brashear. Those two clowns do win, but not in convincing manners. Their first action is throw, and their 2nd action is takedown and end the fight asap.

I'm not saying Belak is better, but he certainly has longer and more productive fights than our 'champs'.

And thanks, I am a funny guy.

JerseyRupp · #**771** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 07:58 PM

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Top 10 middles
1. Milan Lucic
2. Mike Brown
3. Arron Asham
4. Daniel Carcillo
5. David Clarkson
6. Jeremy Riech
7. Ian Laperierre
8. Dion Phaneuf
9. Ben Eager
10. Ryan Malone
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11. Doug Murray
12. Chirs Thorburn
13. Travis Moen
14. Jared Boll
15. Jordan Tootoo
16. Shane O'Brien
17. Aaron Voros
18. Mark Smith
19. Adam Burish
20. Tim Jackman

How Can you not have Mike Rupp ever mentioned. He has beat Andre Roy who you ranked 8 in heavies. He has beat Ben Eager, and He KO Chris Thorburn in 3 punches

jpomp7700 · #**772** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackngold

This is the second guy that has put Eric Cairns in their Top 10 over the past week. What gives? Has he been fighting in someone else's jersey?

i agree he had one fight all year , but he is a monster and he demands respect because of his trach record.

blackngold · #**773** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 11:27 PM

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i agree he had one fight all year , but he is a monster and he demands respect because of his trach record.

He had a fight this year? That's news to me, since he hasn't played at all in almost 2 years.

JerseyRupp · #**774** (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blackngold

He had a fight this year? That's news to me, since he hasn't played at all in almost 2 years.

Yeah I was just wondering that also. You would have thought this would have been bigger news if it actually happened

thepro987 · #**775** (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyRupp

How Can you not have Mike Rupp ever mentioned. He has beat Andre Roy who you ranked 8 in heavies. He has beat Ben Eager, and He KO Chris Thorburn in 3 punches

when did rupp beat Eager?

Orr=God · #**776** (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyRupp

How Can you not have Mike Rupp ever mentioned. He has beat Andre Roy who you ranked 8 in heavies. He has beat Ben Eager, and He KO Chris Thorburn in 3 punches

i think you mean braydon coburn not chris thorburn.

JerseyRupp · #**777** (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Orr=God

i think you mean braydon coburn not chris thorburn.

O yeah sorry you are correct there. I never really knew the first name just the last. Any way's Rupp should at least be mentioned in your middles. It does not matter though, its just an opinion