The Top 10 Thread

[ThrowdownSJ408]

Orr
Scott
Bordeleau
Thornton
Lucic
Engellend
Parros
Carkner
Boulton
Boll

HM

Westgarth
Reaves
Mclaren
Barch


Waiting on McGrattan to fight

[lgbar75]

After one month of action:

1-Orr
2-Scott
3-Parros
4-Thornton
5-Lucic
6-Engelland
7-Boulton
8-Westgarth
9-Carkner
10-Barch/Boll

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by lgbar75

After one month of action:

1-Orr
2-Scott
3-Parros
4-Thornton
5-Lucic
6-Engelland
7-Boulton
8-Westgarth
9-Carkner
10-Barch/Boll

Carkner hasn't been quite right since he ended Boogaard's career back in 2010-11 and his chin was always suspect. It's unfair to place Lucic that high when he's consistently dodged heavyweights (other than Carkner and Rosehill once) since Orr broke his nose and he ran in away early 2010. But hey he's too good a player to fight heavyweights regularly you say? Then tough **** I say, Probert was a great player too, but he wouldn't have been top 3 all-time (probably #1 all time) if he decided he was only going to fight other guys who could put up 62 points in a season and make the all-star game. You can't have it both ways. If he's too good a player to fight heavyweights then take him off the ****ing heavyweight list, that's my opinion. The toughest players in the league are of a much higher calibre than Lucic, and there's been no evidence other than an unfortunately over-the-hill Carkner (who can no longer beat Barch) to the contrary. Lucic is a big power forward but he's no Top 10 guy. For one thing he has to actually fight other guys in the top 10 this year to be there. Not to mention Rosehill beat him handily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmkVyPN01s

[Stevens Lindros]

1 Orr
2 Parros
3 Scott
4 Thornton
5 Engelland (unlike Lucic an actual top 10 and a good player who fights other heavyweights sometimes)
6 Westgarth
7 Barch
8 Boll
9 Carkner
10 Boulton (man this guy and Shelley have been around for ages)

[slashtrey]

I personally think Frazer McLaren should be in the top 10. He just beat Scott and beat Rechlicz in the possible FOTY in the AHL. It's still early in the season but I think he at least has top 10 potential if not actually there yet.

His best fight in my opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJhIFfNb-n4

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

Carkner hasn't been quite right since he ended Boogaard's career back in 2010-11 and his chin was always suspect. It's unfair to place Lucic that high when he's consistently dodged heavyweights (other than Carkner and Rosehill once) since Orr broke his nose and he ran in away early 2010. But hey he's too good a player to fight heavyweights regularly you say? Then tough **** I say, Probert was a great player too, but he wouldn't have been top 3 all-time (probably #1 all time) if he decided he was only going to fight other guys who could put up 62 points in a season and make the all-star game. You can't have it both ways. If he's too good a player to fight heavyweights then take him off the ****ing heavyweight list, that's my opinion. The toughest players in the league are of a much higher calibre than Lucic, and there's been no evidence other than an unfortunately over-the-hill Carkner (who can no longer beat Barch) to the contrary. Lucic is a big power forward but he's no Top 10 guy. For one thing he has to actually fight other guys in the top 10 this year to be there. Not to mention Rosehill beat him handily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmkVyPN01s

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

1 Orr
2 Parros
3 Scott
4 Thornton
5 Engelland (unlike Lucic an actual top 10 and a good player who fights other heavyweights sometimes)
6 Westgarth
7 Barch
8 Boll
9 Carkner
10 Boulton (man this guy and Shelley have been around for ages)

I understand this is your list, so all of your biases are in play....but what has Carkner done this year to garner top 10 status? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth, on one hand you say Carkner is "over-the-hill" yet you have him in your top 10. I'm not going to make a case for Lucic to be top 10 but he has beaten Carkner twice, and lets not act like Carkner is above choosing who and when he fights.

On an unrelated note, if this is considered "beating someone handily" then I guess my definition isn't in the same stratosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u10MjrIJxas

[Juicys1]

Rosehill certainly beat lucic there

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by Juicys1

Rosehill certainly beat lucic there

Was it really that decisive in your eyes? The voting was nearly split 3 ways, I'm not seeing the clear win Rosehill here.

[slashtrey]

Originally Posted by Boston Garden

Was it really that decisive in your eyes? The voting was nearly split 3 ways, I'm not seeing the clear win Rosehill here.

I love that fight. I've watched it many times and I see it as an Edge Rosehill.

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by slashtrey

I love that fight. I've watched it many times and I see it as an Edge Rosehill.

I could see an edge either way...if that makes sense. It's a draw IMO. No "handling" or a clear win.

[Golden Gloves22]

I was at that game and it certainly felt like a win for Lucic at the time, but obviously its different on video and I would call it a draw, i cant see anything decisive at all.
So Steven Lindros, goes on a tirade about how Lucic doesnt belong on the list and Carkner hasnt been the same since Boogard, etc. Then he puts Carkner on his top 10. Something wrong with that picture? Didnt Lucic put Carks on his ass this year and beat him last year? But he's "over the hill" and "hasnt been the same" ..then why is he in your top 10 and Lucic doesnt belong there? Because youre a Vancouver Canucks/Superheavyweight/Large men fan? Then you put up that 4 year old video of a rookie Lucic refusing to fight BGL. Thats not beating a dead horse.

[MattBurger]

I felt that Rosehill fight was a draw. And for what it's worth, so did DYG.

[mikebflorida]

Rosehill won but not by much, it was a good fight.

Top 10 right now?

1-Orr
2-Scott
3-Parros
4-Bordeleau
5-Engelland
6-Thornton- is he going to fight again?
7- Boll
8- Boulton
9- Westgarth
10-Peluso- I know, I know, only 1 fight but he impressed me, he may not stay in this spot. I could easily put 5 different guys in this spot, but it's hard to pick one from the current crop of crappy fighters, there seems to be more bad ones than good ones.

McGrattan is easily top 5 if he ever gets to fight again, he really needs to get traded to an Eastern conference team where he'd be much more useful.

I think the top 5 is pretty rock solid unless one of them lose badly. Orr is one punch away from getting KO'd so we shall see how it goes but he has looked really good.

Too bad Bordeleau is out west also, he is not going to get much action but it's easy to tell he is going to be a top 5 guy.

[MattBurger]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

1 Orr
2 Parros
3 Scott
4 Thornton
5 Engelland (unlike Lucic an actual top 10 and a good player who fights other heavyweights sometimes)
6 Westgarth
7 Barch
8 Boll
9 Carkner
10 Boulton (man this guy and Shelley have been around for ages)

So let me get this straight... Lucic's two recent wins over Carkner doesn't mean anything because Carkner has "come back down to earth", yet Carkner cracks your Top 10 and Lucic doesn't?

Makes tons of sense.

[mikebflorida]

I think Lucic is a good fighter, very tough, but I also want to see him fight more, he just doesn't fight enough for me to include him although I did include Anthony Peluso in my top 10, he will quickly fall out if he doesn't fight much or gets sent down.

This is a tough call because if you include Lucic in the running you also have to consider Simmonds, Clarkson, and maybe Clowe or Stewart too and all of them CAN fight but do they fight enough to be ranked?

I would strongly suggest a minimum number of fights before ranking these guys. If Brian McGrattan doesn't fight all year, is he still considered the champ or top 5? I think so but it's not fair to the guys who have fought while he hasn't.

If you have the minimum number of fights, you can be ranked, if you don't, you don't, it takes all the ambiguity out of the equation.

This year I would make it a 5 fight minimum and in a regular year I'd make it a 8 fight minimum.

What does everyone think about that?

Or are we going to get the poo poo people who think Lucic should be ranked even if he only fights 4 times all year?