The Top 10 Thread

[brawls16]

Originally Posted by roy36cairns

Because he beat Boogaard. We can do this all day. "This season alone", Orr is 0-2 against Engelland and yet you rank Orr above him (and so do I).



His wins have been very impressive. Who can beat him that is not ahead of him on my list?



Coming from a guy who has Jody Shelley in his top 10 is just too funny.

Belak beat Boogaard twice, and he's not on my list.

Again, with so many guys hurt, not playing, what ever, guys like Scott and Bissonette are only getting mentioned by default, not because they're actually Top10 material.

With Jody Shelley, he's still willing and able. He's not only beat Top10 guys, he's beat the former Champs. If we're going to plug in names just to round off the Top10, might aswell be someone who actually fights the best, not someone that beats the 15-20 guys. Jody is getting older and slower no doubt, but he's got more warrior in his blood than most guys can dream of.

And I wouldn't say Engelland is 2-0 against Orr. Orr bloodied up Deryk in the rematch and made him quit. Deryk literally called in the linesmen to save him, and headed straight for the dressing room for repairs. That's not a win.

But what'evs. The season isn't even half over. It's been a very weak first half and arguing over the 8-10 spots is pointless I agree. It's just stupid that Bissonntte and Scott are in this thread right now, which is more so a knock on Belak, King, McGrattan, Ivanans, etc...

[ThrowdownSJ408]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Belak beat Boogaard twice, and he's not on my list.

Again, with so many guys hurt, not playing, what ever, guys like Scott and Bissonette are only getting mentioned by default, not because they're actually Top10 material.

With Jody Shelley, he's still willing and able. He's not only beat Top10 guys, he's beat the former Champs. If we're going to plug in names just to round off the Top10, might aswell be someone who actually fights the best, not someone that beats the 15-20 guys. Jody is getting older and slower no doubt, but he's got more warrior in his blood than most guys can dream of.

And I wouldn't say Engelland is 2-0 against Orr. Orr bloodied up Deryk in the rematch and made him quit. Deryk literally called in the linesmen to save him, and headed straight for the dressing room for repairs. That's not a win.

But what'evs. The season isn't even half over. It's been a very weak first half and arguing over the 8-10 spots is pointless I agree. It's just stupid that Bissonntte and Scott are in this thread right now, which is more so a knock on Belak, King, McGrattan, Ivanans, etc...

That verbal tapout was pretty much mutual that fight was done and to call the linesmen in is a way to not get cheap shotted. this is a hockey fight not MMA or boxing. It doesnt hurt your judging of a win.

D.E. barely bled so i had that draw/edge DE.

Scott has dominated top 11-20 guys which makes him hold the number 10 spot. hes a gate keep till proven. You cant look past the fact he really puts on beat downs.

Biz is having a good year and beat shelley lastyear and DE bad this year.

DE is about 8 or 9 worthy right now, hes one tough gun.

I have shelley 8 or 9 as well because he is getting weaker. mans a warrior but i cant see him beating these younger guys as well.

belak was list worthy lastyear for beating shelley and boogey the year before but is jsut not in the picture anymore.

[Juha82]

Why we are talking last year when should to talk this years fightning by different hockey fighters??
I dont care what some figther did last year as every year is own number.

[rondo]

1- Boogaard
2- Macintyre
3- Orr
4- Godard
5- Carkner
6- Thornton
7- Gilles
8- Scott
9- Parros
10- Engelland

HM: Boulton, Shelley, Hordichuk, Belak no fights.

Based on this year and some of their history this is how my top 10 list is as of right now and not exactly how I hoped or thought it would be.

[yeah]

1. Derek Boogaard
2. Steve MacIntyre
3. Eric Godard
4. Colton Orr
5. Matt Carkner
6. Trevor Gillies
7. Shawn Thornton
8. Derek Engelland
9. John Scott
10. Paul Bissonnette

[Black Ice]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Belak beat Boogaard twice, and he's not on my list.

Again, with so many guys hurt, not playing, what ever, guys like Scott and Bissonette are only getting mentioned by default, not because they're actually Top10 material.

With Jody Shelley, he's still willing and able. He's not only beat Top10 guys, he's beat the former Champs. If we're going to plug in names just to round off the Top10, might aswell be someone who actually fights the best, not someone that beats the 15-20 guys. Jody is getting older and slower no doubt, but he's got more warrior in his blood than most guys can dream of.

And I wouldn't say Engelland is 2-0 against Orr. Orr bloodied up Deryk in the rematch and made him quit. Deryk literally called in the linesmen to save him, and headed straight for the dressing room for repairs. That's not a win.

But what'evs. The season isn't even half over. It's been a very weak first half and arguing over the 8-10 spots is pointless I agree. It's just stupid that Bissonntte and Scott are in this thread right now, which is more so a knock on Belak, King, McGrattan, Ivanans, etc...

I suggest you watch the fight again. Orr didn't get floored like in the first fight but he still clearly lost. By that I mean you can't argue it was a draw based on fly on the wall footage from 24/7. That's just clutching at straws. Orr may yet tame the beast that is Engelland but he hasn't done it this season... yet. So until then accept it for what it is and call it fairly and accurately to the best of your ability despite being a fan of Orr. I'm sure lots of guys tap out when they're exhausted. To do that after dominating a fight does not constitute a draw or concede a loss. It is what it is...

[smashem]

The reason i am listing these the way i am right now and there is NO WAY it will end up this way is because of Boogey's Injury and Mac has not fought much at all. So for the time being I am going with this 1) Scott,2) Engelland,3) Carkner,4) Boogeyman,5) Big Mac,6) Orr,7)Gillies,8)Thornton,9)Godard,10)Biz. Remember you are 1 punch away from going from champ to chump

[Sapunka16]

Originally Posted by roy36cairns

Speaking of last season, Bissonnette beat Shelley.

*Speaking of last season, Bissonnette landed a few jersey jabs before Shelley fell down while throwing an off-balanced right cross.

Watch the fight before you reference it.

Instead of whining about who I put in my tenth spot on the list maybe you should make a list of your own.

I think you are confusing the phrases "disagreeing with" and "whining about". If you can't handle criticism, don't make your list public.

I've had a list of my own all season. It's almost ready to post, but in the next two weeks there are some fights I want to see that will help determine some spots I'm unsure about.

12/26 Godard-Carkner, or Engelland-Carkner
12/29 Godard Gillies, or Engelland-Gillies
1/1 Orr-Carkner
1/3 Thornton-Orr

[roy36cairns]

Originally Posted by Sapunka16

*Speaking of last season, Bissonnette landed a few jersey jabs before Shelley fell down while throwing an off-balanced right cross.

Watch the fight before you reference it.

I watched it many times (and voted on it) last season.
Check the fight cards before you spout off.

Originally Posted by Sapunka16

I think you are confusing the phrases "disagreeing with" and "whining about". If you can't handle criticism, don't make your list public.

Expending so much effort to dissect my tenth spot goes beyond disagreeing - especially when you don't have a list yourself. That is whining.

Originally Posted by Sapunka16

I've had a list of my own all season. It's almost ready to post, but in the next two weeks there are some fights I want to see that will help determine some spots I'm unsure about.

12/26 Godard-Carkner, or Engelland-Carkner
12/29 Godard Gillies, or Engelland-Gillies
1/1 Orr-Carkner
1/3 Thornton-Orr

Well isn't that convienient? If you yourself don't know who should be in the top 10 how can you disagree with others, let alone whine about their tenth spot?

Put up or shut up.

[ThrowdownSJ408]

I think it makes perfect sense having Scott in tenth due to him winning his fights but not fighting top tier guys. hes earned that spot.

[Sapunka16]

Originally Posted by roy36cairns

I watched it many times (and voted on it) last season.
Check the fight cards before you spout off.

In the many times you watched it, did you happen to notice that Bissonnette's "win" was the result of landing about 5 jersey jabs before an off-balance Shelley missed a right hook? Are you saying the few jersey jabs Bissonnette landed take away the credibility Shelley gained by beating Godard, and TKO'ing last season's top fighter? Some argument you got there.

Expending so much effort to dissect my tenth spot goes beyond disagreeing - especially when you don't have a list yourself. That is whining.

Where exactly did I expend effort? Was it remembering a fight card, remembering the Shelley-Bissonnette fight, or typing out a short response?

Well isn't that convienient? If you yourself don't know who should be in the top 10 how can you disagree with others, let alone whine about their tenth spot?
Put up or shut up.

I know my top ten, there's just a few fights I would like to see to make sure the order is right. It's generally set, except for a few guys who could change a spot or two based on the fights I listed.

Remember this exchange?

And Paul Bissonnette in the Top10 is just too funny.
Coming from a guy who has Jody Shelley in his top 10 is just too funny.

If you don't think your 10th spot is such a big deal, don't post that. Or post a top 9 list instead.

It's really too bad you can't handle criticism. Either prove that what you wrote is correct, or don't argue with someone over it.

[smashem]

Originally Posted by ThrowdownSJ408

I think it makes perfect sense having Scott in tenth due to him winning his fights but not fighting top tier guys. hes earned that spot.

Just a couple of questions for anyone don't really care who responds. Most have Boogey #1 he is 4-2-1. Mac has only 4 fights way not enough I know it is not his problem but so be it, I have Orr#6 he is 5-4 but way more active than most or all. Gillies is 5-2 and his only bad loss was to Boogey, Godard had done nothing 3 fights 2-1. Carkner poss beat Boogey the champ is 4-2, Thorts is 5-1 but with him he is fighting over his head right now. Scott is 6-0 and Engs is 8-2 I would find it hard to believe that anyone with a guy Injured at 4-2-1 a champion and a guy Mac 2-1-1 #2. Reasons Please this is this year

[roy36cairns]

Originally Posted by Sapunka16

Either prove that what you wrote is correct, or don't argue with someone over it.

Take your own advice. Post your top ten or shut up.

[Sapunka16]

Originally Posted by roy36cairns

Take your own advice. Post your top ten or shut up.

Read what you quoted again. You gain absolutely no credibility by quoting something without reading it.

Either prove that what you wrote is correct, or don't argue with someone over it.

I checked all of your posts, and you have yet to provide a valid counter-argument as to the actual topic we disagree about, which is, who is the better fighter between Jody Shelley and Paul Bissonnette.

You have frequently posted incredibly senseless ideas such as "shut up" and "post your top ten", while ignoring my responses and failing to present any legitimate evidence that you are right about this subject.

Instead of getting defensive and posting messages that scream "i'm an internet tough guy!", do you have an intelligent reply to any of the points I made, or are you going to continue to avoid this topic?

I will re-post what I've already written, because you clearly did not read this in the original posts;

Bissonnette wasn't appearing on any top ten lists until he beat Engelland. BFD. Shelley's been fighting the best in the league for several years. Last season he beat Godard and dropped Orr. This year he's got a draw against Thornton, which shows he can still fight well, he just hasn't beaten anybody good yet this season.

Maybe you like to judge people based on their ability not to lose instead of their ability to win, but Bissonnette does not have the ability to beat anyone in your top 6, or at least, hasn't shown it yet.

Last season, Bissonnette landed a few jersey jabs before Shelley fell down while throwing an off-balanced right cross.

Are you saying the few jersey jabs Bissonnette landed take away the credibility Shelley gained by beating Godard, and TKO'ing last season's top fighter?

[roy36cairns]

Originally Posted by Sapunka16

Read what you quoted again. You gain absolutely no credibility by quoting something without reading it.



I checked all of your posts, and you have yet to provide a valid counter-argument as to the actual topic we disagree about, which is, who is the better fighter between Jody Shelley and Paul Bissonnette.

You have frequently posted incredibly senseless ideas such as "shut up" and "post your top ten", while ignoring my responses and failing to present any legitimate evidence that you are right about this subject.

Instead of getting defensive and posting messages that scream "i'm an internet tough guy!", do you have an intelligent reply to any of the points I made, or are you going to continue to avoid this topic?

I will re-post what I've already written, because you clearly did not read this in the original posts;

A lot of gibberish and still no list, huh?

A top ten list is subjective and by definition cannot be proven. The winner of a fight is subjective and cannot be "proven."

Bissonnette won the fight in my opinion and in the view of the voters on this sight. The vote on this site is the closest thing we have to "proof". I don't care if Bissonnette used jersey jabs or if the over-the-hill Shelley slipped and fell.

I also considered how they fared against a common opponent this season (Deryk Engelland). Bissonnette is an up and coming technical fighter and Shelley appears to be an aging, over-the-hill fighter thus far. That is why I selected Bissonnette over Shelley for my tenth spot.

That is not something that can be "proven" pinhead.

Again, post your top ten list or shut up. "Prove your are correct" by posting a list.

Expecting someone who criticizes others' list to post one himself is not "incredibly senseless" and it does not "scream internet tough guy." It is a pretty reasonable expectation, IMO.