The Top 10 Thread

[BrianTheAdsFan]

Originally Posted by tomales2

More than one fight. If he is convincing in this fight, and I haven't seen it yet, I could now see him move to the top 5. But he is not a top 3 guy.

If he isn't, who is?

[tomales2]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Wow, not too sure where to start on this one.

First of all, going into this year who the hell thought anyone can beat Derek Boogaard, TWICE? That's something we've only seen from Georges Laraque, and Belak has fought Laraque SIX times over the years with roughly 6 draws. Who the hell has fought Laraque 6 times and NOT come out of it beaten and battered? Belak has easily the best record against BGL, other than of course Donald Brashear.

And as for the Champion Donald Brashear, well nobody has ever stood up to Donny like Belak has. He easily has the best record against the Champion out of anyone. TWICE in a row he's beaten the Champion. He bloodied him out the last time and now dropped his ass this time!

Your use of words like 'not impressive' is a joke. I'm sorry Tomales, but you just aren't seeing things clearly.

Two wins over Cam Janssen this year including a TKO just 28 days ago still doesn't do it for you? How about his wins over Eric Godard, Jody Shelley, Riley Cote, George Parros, Darcy Hordichuk, Andrew Peters, Eric Boulton, David Koci, etc...

Remember his two fights with the All-Time King, Bob Probert?

To say Belak isn't even a Top5 guy is a joke. You need to learn some things.

Geez, why get so touchy over a matter of opinion? First, you need to understand the premise of this strand. It's for this year! Not his entire career. And his list of fights this year is not impressive-only Boogaard and Brashear now.
But I guess you wish to school me, so be my guest

[Gunslinger]

When fighting the "champ" in any other sport, if you beat him you are number 1. Should the same thing apply to hockey fights? Most guys(or at least many)had Brash at #1(myself included). Belak beat him fairly. So then should'nt he then be #1 until beaten? IMO, no, cuz as others have mentioned, strength of a fighters opponents and consistency in said fights are vital. Using that theory, Belak definately should be top 5 and likely a top 3 since: 1)He beat Brash
2)Godard and Orr have both had losses in the last month, month and a half.
Now, Brash lost,BGL is gone,Godard and Orr have recent losses/draws and Boogey is out. So if the top 5 are on the downslide currently, the only one still winning is Belak.So, should Belak be number 1? Discuss among yourselves.

[brawls16]

Who is in your Top5, Tomales?

Keep in mind that Belak has beat Donald Brashear twice in a row now, hasn't lost to Georges Laraque in 6 scraps, has beat Derek Boogaard twice THIS YEAR, holds a draw with Colton Orr in 4 fights and has edged out everyone else he has fought.

Lets see it, who's your Top5?

[Sugden Flu]

1. Wade Belak
2. Eric Godard
3. Donald Brashear
4. Georges Laraque
5. Colton Orr
6. Derek Boogaard
7. George Parros
8. Cam Janssen
9. Chris Neil
10. Zack Stortini

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

1. Wade Belak
2. Eric Godard
3. Donald Brashear
4. Georges Laraque
5. Colton Orr
6. Derek Boogaard
7. George Parros
8. Cam Janssen
9. Chris Neil
10. Zack Stortini

You lost me with the last 2 choices Sugden. Until then, great list hard to argue with.

[tomales2]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Who is in your Top5, Tomales?

Keep in mind that Belak has beat Donald Brashear twice in a row now, hasn't lost to Georges Laraque in 6 scraps, has beat Derek Boogaard twice THIS YEAR, holds a draw with Colton Orr in 4 fights and has edged out everyone else he has fought.

Lets see it, who's your Top5?

Lol. Ok, I'll open myself up for another attack. I'm the odd guy out on this subject!

1: Brashear: I can't stand him, but one punch does not mean loss of the title.
2: Godard}
3: Orr} these two are easily interchangeable
4: Belak (and, apparently, on the verge of moving up if he continues winning)
5: BGL-can't be ignored, injury or not

[BigBadBruins68]

Personally, this season is all Belak, but I think it doesn't make him number 1 right away. But if he keeps destroying guys each time, then yeah, I think he would be #1 at least for now.

[brawls16]

Godard #2?

He's lost to Brookbank, he's lost to Shelley, he's lost to Orr, he's lost to Cote, he didn't beat Laraque, Thornton, Rupp, Koci and Peters either, all this season.

What are his only wins this year? He beat the two ROOKIES Fritz and McIntyre, he beat of all guys Scott Hartnell, plus wins over Orr and Cote which goes unheard since he lost to them aswell. Not to mention edging out Alex Henry in his first NHL fight in almost three years. How the hell is that more 'impressive' in your books than beating the crap out of the Champion, drawing the other champion 6 times, beating the future champion twice and edging out everyone else?

You already said AFTER Belak dropped Brashear that he's not Top5, but now you decide to put him in at the #4 spot?

I guess if Brashear were to bloody up Belak and knock him out the very next time, that you would put Belak at #1?

You only have 25 posts, and I'm already done with you.....

*EDIT* my appologies if I came off rude on that one, I just don't understand some peoples opinions when a champion is being over thrown.

You're new, so like many other new guys, your rankings are a little off.

[tomales2]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Godard #2?

He's lost to Brookbank, he's lost to Shelley, he's lost to Orr, he's lost to Cote, he didn't beat Laraque, Thornton, Rupp, Koci and Peters either, all this season.

What are his only wins this year? He beat the two ROOKIES Fritz and McIntyre, he beat of all guys Scott Hartnell, plus wins over Orr and Cote which goes unheard since he lost to them aswell. Not to mention edging out Alex Henry in his first NHL fight in almost three years. How the hell is that more 'impressive' in your books than beating the crap out of the Champion, drawing the other champion 6 times, beating the future champion twice and edging out everyone else?

You already said AFTER Belak dropped Brashear that he's not Top5, but now you decide to put him in at the #4 spot?

I guess if Brashear were to bloody up Belak and knock him out the very next time, that you would put Belak at #1?

You only have 25 posts, and I'm already done with you.....

*EDIT* my appologies if I came off rude on that one, I just don't understand some peoples opinions when a champion is being over thrown.

You're new, so like many other new guys, your rankings are a little off.

A "little" rude? I really don't care. On this forum if you haven't spent your life posting about hockey fights, and have hundreds if not thousands of posts, you're not considered viable.
Yes, I'm relatively new to hockey being born and raised in California. But I'm learning and am able to clearly understand when bias, and worn out values, rule. I believe I said earlier, and unlike some am capable of admitting to a mistake if one was made, that when I said he wasn't yet in the top 5 I had not seen the Brashear fight. My post-"More than one fight. If he is convincing in this fight, and I haven't seen it yet!!!, I could now see him move to the top 5. But he is not a top 3 guy."
I'll do as you seemingly wish, and just leave the posting to the "experts." Thanks for the welcome.

[Sugden Flu]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

You lost me with the last 2 choices Sugden. Until then, great list hard to argue with.

Fair enough. I'm going off this years results only. (But not HF poll results. They're about as reliable as the weather as far as I'm concerned) I know Stortini is an odd pick. I just think he's looked real good this year for the most part. I wouldn't have included him if D.J. King or Brian McGrattan had played this season. Big Mac would be ahead of him, but he hasn't been active enough, IMO.

Who would you replace Neil and Stortini with?

[royjonesjr]

1# Belak- A TKO win against the champ, Brashear, bumps the contender Belak into the champ
2#Brashear
3# Laraque
4# Boogaard Hasn't been active but still looks almost unbeatable other then against Belak
5# Orr
6# Godard
7# Ivanans
8# Parros
9# Hordichuk
10# Boulton

[leafs_fan77]

Belak took my number one spot. I think he took the majority of peoples number one spots to be honest.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Godard #2?

He's lost to Brookbank, he's lost to Shelley, he's lost to Orr, he's lost to Cote, he didn't beat Laraque, Thornton, Rupp, Koci and Peters either, all this season.

What are his only wins this year? He beat the two ROOKIES Fritz and McIntyre, he beat of all guys Scott Hartnell, plus wins over Orr and Cote which goes unheard since he lost to them aswell. Not to mention edging out Alex Henry in his first NHL fight in almost three years. How the hell is that more 'impressive' in your books than beating the crap out of the Champion, drawing the other champion 6 times, beating the future champion twice and edging out everyone else?

You already said AFTER Belak dropped Brashear that he's not Top5, but now you decide to put him in at the #4 spot?

I guess if Brashear were to bloody up Belak and knock him out the very next time, that you would put Belak at #1?

You only have 25 posts, and I'm already done with you.....

*EDIT* my appologies if I came off rude on that one, I just don't understand some peoples opinions when a champion is being over thrown.

You're new, so like many other new guys, your rankings are a little off.

It's well known your crush on Belak and not a problem as we all have our favorite fighters. He is having a great year but where was he for the last three years. After Orr broke his nose he was brutal. He lost fights and had many draws to guys who are not top 10 HW in Janssen, Sutton, Boulton, Dingman..McGrattan who is a top ten beat him three or four times. Well since McGrattan is not fighting in the nhl this year my guy this year has been godard and you are ripping his accomplisments. You ask who could beat Boogaard 2x well my friend Godard already has done that, including the TKO that shelved Boogaard for a month. Don't forget so soon. He also KO out Macintyre first when most were already giving him (macintyre) a top 10. You say he beat a rookie. Well, Laraque the champ diddn't beat the rookie (Fritz). Godard has also faired well against Brashsear,who has played him 3x and no fights, wonder why? Not trying to rip on Belak whatsoever but lets look at this from all angles. I will say right now Belak is the comeback fighter of the year and is deserving of a top 3-4 slot and could end the season 1-2 depending how it finishes.

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

Fair enough. I'm going off this years results only. (But not HF poll results. They're about as reliable as the weather as far as I'm concerned) I know Stortini is an odd pick. I just think he's looked real good this year for the most part. I wouldn't have included him if D.J. King or Brian McGrattan had played this season. Big Mac would be ahead of him, but he hasn't been active enough, IMO.

Who would you replace Neil and Stortini with?

Thats a good question, especially since so many of my regular 8-10 guys in my monthly polls are hurt or inactive. What I'll do is puss out and offer some names which may be slotted there depending on a persons opinion. A couple times I've put Neil in so even though he's been a little inactive lets let him stay. Others for consideration may be(going on my month to month lists) Thornton, Boulton,Clarkson, Asham,Barch. Since Hordi has'nt done much and Ivanans is hurt, Stortini though a contriversial pick does actually make some sense. Blouin would be happy.