Rookie fighter of the year?

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by MattBurger

How is that funny? I understand that Bollig is the new flavor of the month here (and rightfully so), but Kassian has a more impressive fight card this season, is the better technical fighter (in my opinion), has yet to lose this season, and is the guy who I think would win the majority of the fights head-to-head with Bollig in a 10 fight series.

Sorry Matt, you're WRONG! I know this because I know everything and you should know that I know everything, ya know?

Kassian and Bollig in a 10 fight series?

Kassian, Bollig, Kassian, Kassian, Bollig, Bollig, Kassian, Kassian, Bollig, Bollig.

5-5, no draws.

What little I've seen of Kassian is impressive and if the video of those 2 fighting is any indication, we will see more of them in the future. Too bad the new NHL is so tame.

I'd still vote for Bollig for rookie of the year though but you make a good case for Kassian, certainly much better than Bickel or Rinaldo.

When I think of a rookie of the year I tend to ask who is the BEST rookie, not the most active, that's irrelevant only if they win their fights and Rinaldo is a tomato can while Bickel isn't overly impressive in his style or card compared to Bollig or even Kassian.

I think if Kassian had some more exposure, he could overtake Bollig. 7 or 8 games left!

[dodge8954]

Originally Posted by MattBurger

How is that funny? I understand that Bollig is the new flavor of the month here (and rightfully so), but Kassian has a more impressive fight card this season, is the better technical fighter (in my opinion), has yet to lose this season, and is the guy who I think would win the majority of the fights head-to-head with Bollig in a 10 fight series.

i find it hard to believe Kassian could beat Bollig more in a 10 fight series. first fight was a draw. but i believe hawks and wild play twice next week so maybe we can get a head start on this 10 fight series.

[Plateworker]

Originally Posted by tim13

I'm not getting into the Rinaldo-Bickel debate because I like both guys but you're preaching credibility while quoting the voting here as being "stats."

You may not want to acknowledge this, but the Rangers fighters have benefited from some fishy voting on here.

You're including in Bickel's 7 wins a lot of fights that were "won" by a couple percentage points, most of which, in my opinion, and the opinion of lots of others, were draws or edges to the other guy.

You're including:

2 over Matt Martin (Both draws-edge Martin if anything. First one was Bickel to the body and Martin up top, with Martin finishing better, second one was barely a fight where Martin landed the only punch)

1 over Wayne Simmonds (Draw-edge Simmonds if anything; Bickel landed two nice jersey jabs and two shots to the top of the helmet whereas Simmonds landed square with a few rights)

1 over Tom Sestito (Just don't see how that's a win for Bickel. Count punches, not the take down.)

I'll give him the win over Carter for the comeback punch in a fight he was losing until right at the end and the wins over McLeod and Tangradi.

7-2-2 is a big stretch. 3-4-4 sounds about fair to me.

As for Rinaldo, I have him at 3 or 4 wins against 5 or 6 draws and 5 or 6 losses.

Like I said, I like both guys, so I'm not making the Rinaldo argument here, I just think you're stretching the difference a bit. You could factor in that Rinaldo got dropped in two of his losses and Bickel didn't but if you're gonna do that you also have to factor in that Rinaldo is always fighting up in size.

As usual flawless Flyer logic....The same logic that Hockey d*ck and Dumbslinger use... I am starting to wonder if your really TM800

1. Bollig
2. Bickel...5-2-4...just by the way Timmothy
3. Kassian

[brawls16]

Matt Kassian, by a mile.

. Three wins over multi-Exciting Fighter of the Year winner Darcy Hordichuk including a TKO
. Wins against Zenon Konopka and fellow rookie Guillaume Desbiens
. Solid draws with Top3 fighters George Parros and what will be this season's Fighter of the Year Shawn Thornton
. And a nothing fight against Biz-Nasty.

.....Very impressive fightcard.

Brandon Bollig? Are you serious?

. His wins are against Jared Boll, Kyle Clifford, Ryan Reaves and the TKO against Jordan Tootoo.
. He couldn't beat Luke Schenn who's no where near his class plus a draw in a second fight with Ryan Reaves.
. Then Michael Rupp, the only Top10 fighter he's faced, beat the crap out of him.

.....Not the best results, especially considering his fightcard is alot weaker than Kassian's.

Matt Kassian and his unbeaten and much better fightcard easily beats Bollig, hands down. No contest.

[chilly666]

bollig is 6-1...he beat the two guys you claimed he drew against.

second, kassian should kill konopka as he is smaller and not a good fighter either. beating desbiens is the same thing. yes dezzy is tougher and a better fighter than konopka, but still over-matched.

[dodge8954]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Matt Kassian, by a mile.

. Three wins over multi-Exciting Fighter of the Year winner Darcy Hordichuk including a TKO
. Wins against Zenon Konopka and fellow rookie Guillaume Desbiens
. Solid draws with Top3 fighters George Parros and what will be this season's Fighter of the Year Shawn Thornton
. And a nothing fight against Biz-Nasty.

.....Very impressive fightcard.

Brandon Bollig? Are you serious?

. His wins are against Jared Boll, Kyle Clifford, Ryan Reaves and the TKO against Jordan Tootoo.
. He couldn't beat Luke Schenn who's no where near his class plus a draw in a second fight with Ryan Reaves.
. Then Michael Rupp, the only Top10 fighter he's faced, beat the crap out of him.

.....Not the best results, especially considering his fightcard is alot weaker than Kassian's.

Matt Kassian and his unbeaten and much better fightcard easily beats Bollig, hands down. No contest.

bollig did beat Schenn and i still call the fight against Rupp a draw. Bollig got a lot of jabs in, then Rupp punched the back of his helmet a few times and basically bailed at the end when Bollig started to get the upper hand. and you talk about beating Hordichuck? that guy is a joke. Konopka is a decent fighter but nothing that special. he loves to tie people up most of his fights. so a draw against Parros and Thornton? wow, that sure does put him over the top.

[tim13]

Originally Posted by Plateworker

As usual flawless Flyer logic....The same logic that Hockey d*ck and Dumbslinger use... I am starting to wonder if your really TM800

1. Bollig
2. Bickel...5-2-4...just by the way Timmothy
3. Kassian

I'll debate you on any topic any time you like in front of a panel of judges. They can even be Rangers fans if you want.

Better yet, let's both take some Logical Reasoning tests and then compare our scores. Put your money where your mouth is. I'll even let you pick your own odds.

You were influenced by my impeccable logic and you don't even realize it. Before Bickel was 7-2-2, now he's 5-2-4. You're half way there. And Timothy is spelled with one m dumbass.

And who are you trying to kid with Bickel over Kassian?

[ThrowdownSJ408]

Bollig's MMA clip was great thanks.

Also the Kassian vs Bollig fight was amazing! The would def be up there with fight of the year in the NHL.

Bollig can hold his own against Kassian.

[hockey doc]

Originally Posted by Plateworker

As usual flawless Flyer logic....The same logic that Hockey d*ck and Dumbslinger use... I am starting to wonder if your really TM800

1. Bollig
2. Bickel...5-2-4...just by the way Timmothy
3. Kassian

And stupid ppl like you use the fight log voting as gospel. Bickel is nothing more than a overrated AHL punching bag, if he ever mans up and fights above his class (like Rinaldo does on a consistant basis) he will go out feet first on a stretcher. He got hammered by a MW guy who hardly ever fights in Carter, destroyed by a MW in Haley and mauled by an average LHW fighter in Sestito. Forget the fight log, his real record is closer to 2-5-4 and he hasn't even faced the best in his class. Can you picture him fighting Lucic, McGratts, Parros, Kassian, Bollig or Shelley and living to tell about it?

[brawls16]

Originally Posted by dodge8954

bollig did beat Schenn and i still call the fight against Rupp a draw. Bollig got a lot of jabs in, then Rupp punched the back of his helmet a few times and basically bailed at the end when Bollig started to get the upper hand. and you talk about beating Hordichuck? that guy is a joke. Konopka is a decent fighter but nothing that special. he loves to tie people up most of his fights. so a draw against Parros and Thornton? wow, that sure does put him over the top.

Bollig didn't 'beat' Schenn, he barely sneaked away with the slightest of edges. He should have pounded Luke into the ice but he didn't.

Rupp beat Bollig hands down, blood and everything. 77% of the vote on this site, and clear wins across the board voted on other sites. There's no way that was a draw. Bias much?

Hordichuk is past him prime no doubt, but he's still one of the most entertaining fighters the NHL has ever seen. Anyone going 3-0 against him in 1 season has something to be proud of. He's no walk in the park, not even today.

Parros and Thornton are Top5 if not Top3 this season. A rookie drawing them both is very impressive. Bollig has fought only 1 fighter that's arguably Top10 this season, Rupp, and he lost to him. Kassian has 2 solid draws with 2 of the Top3 fighters.

That's sure does put him 'over the top' as you put it....Easily.

Kassian's fightcard is much harder, with better results. This isn't rocket science.

[dodge8954]

Originally Posted by brawls16

Bollig didn't 'beat' Schenn, he barely sneaked away with the slightest of edges. He should have pounded Luke into the ice but he didn't.

Rupp beat Bollig hands down, blood and everything. 77% of the vote on this site, and clear wins across the board voted on other sites. There's no way that was a draw. Bias much?

Hordichuk is past him prime no doubt, but he's still one of the most entertaining fighters the NHL has ever seen. Anyone going 3-0 against him in 1 season has something to be proud of. He's no walk in the park, not even today.

Parros and Thornton are Top5 if not Top3 this season. A rookie drawing them both is very impressive. Bollig has fought only 1 fighter that's arguably Top10 this season, Rupp, and he lost to him. Kassian has 2 solid draws with 2 of the Top3 fighters.

That's sure does put him 'over the top' as you put it....Easily.

Kassian's fightcard is much harder, with better results. This isn't rocket science.

edge someone in a fight is beating them in a fight. whats your point? and beating someone 3 times in a year doesn't say anything other then he padded his record by facing the same guy 3 times because it was an easy win. and your theory of 77% vote on this site means something is a joke. people on this site have and always will vote for who they like more. Rupp punched his helmet the whole time then bailed out of the fight no?

[McLovin]

As of right now it's definitely Matt Kassian, in my opinion. I do like Brandon Bollig a lot though, he just had a late start to his NHL season. Bollig reminds me almost of a heavier less gangly version of Adam McQuaid, excellent uppercuts.

[MattBurger]

F*ck it. Lets crown Brandon Bollig heavyweight champ.

[bruiser11]

Matt Kassian. Bollig looks impressive.

[5 4 Fighting]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I'd go with Bollig. Bickel hasn't impressed me all that much other than TKO'ing Ryan Carter.

he didnt even TKO him....on the other hand Bollig...