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Old 10-27-2009, 04:46 PM
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I think people are voting based on hate for the Leafs. I have Orr at 1 win, 1 loss and 3 draws. I'm a Leaf fan and I don't consider those to be ridiculous.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:52 PM
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I think people are voting based on hate for the Leafs. I have Orr at 1 win, 1 loss and 3 draws. I'm a Leaf fan and I don't consider those to be ridiculous.
I'm a Leaf hater and i'd agree with that record.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:16 PM
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I think people are voting based on hate for the Leafs. I have Orr at 1 win, 1 loss and 3 draws. I'm a Leaf fan and I don't consider those to be ridiculous.
If that was completely true, he would have 5 losses by now. Too many people like Colton Orr to let his jersey cloud their judgement when voting.
That's what i like to believe anyway.

Still, the voting will never be 100% trustworthy.
Just because you don't agree with the voting doesn't mean the voting is wrong. And vice versa.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:33 PM
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I think the voters are divided into threes: 1.Homers who always vote for their home team guy. 2. People who look at it without objectively. 3. People who hate another player/team and vote against them regardless.
There's no way Orr's record is 0-2-3.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:37 PM
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I think the voters are divided into threes: 1.Homers who always vote for their home team guy. 2. People who look at it without objectively. 3. People who hate another player/team and vote against them regardless.
There's no way Orr's record is 0-2-3.
If so, in which group do you belong?

You mean there aren't a single poster who's able to call a fight objectively?
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:11 PM
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Face it, Orr has started where Cote left off.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:33 PM
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I think Orr's record this season is 1-1-3. Which when looking at his oponents thats a good record. It least Orr's been fighting, look a guys like Belak and Janssen they still have no fighting majors.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:37 PM
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Draw means it was even. An edge would imply someone did better, therefore not making it a draw. Pretty simple english if you ask me.

I have Orr at 2-2-1

Wins over Godard and Koci, losses to Brash and BGL, and a draw with Parros, although I could understand giving Parros the edge.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:55 PM
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If so, in which group do you belong?

You mean there aren't a single poster who's able to call a fight objectively?
lol I messed up on that. I ment objectively.
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:15 PM
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Orr is definitely a top 5. In the east he's certainly a force to be rereckoned with. He has to win decisively against Laraque, Boogarrd, Brashear & Belak (and now possibly McGrattan) to be number one. I Don't know if he can take them all on and win, but he does have a good chance against each of them.
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I was checking out how people have voted so far this year, and according to the votes, he's 0-2-3. .
Another reason why the voting record here should be taken with a grain of salt, it is useless, it's more a popularity contest than anything else.

I have Orr at 2 - 1 - 2 at worst but likely it is 2-0-3.
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:51 PM
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If that was completely true, he would have 5 losses by now. Too many people like Colton Orr to let his jersey cloud their judgement when voting.
That's what i like to believe anyway.

Still, the voting will never be 100% trustworthy.
Just because you don't agree with the voting doesn't mean the voting is wrong. And vice versa.
Well, some of the guys here are questionable. Not so much the people that post ont he forum, but alot of the people who are signed up, and vote, btu don't post. And guys like mcb7000 or whatever his name is. Guys like him taint the voting.
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:14 AM
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Well, some of the guys here are questionable. Not so much the people that post ont he forum, but alot of the people who are signed up, and vote, btu don't post. And guys like mcb7000 or whatever his name is. Guys like him taint the voting.
People who post in the forum taint's the vote just as much as "them". In alot of cases, the voting should not be used as a credential. The voting system lacks something we humans posess.... The ability to make a difference between a win and a win - The famous "Edge", or sometimes called a "Narrow win".

Sure, you can choose how close you think the fight was, but as far as i know, there's no way to integrate that part of the voting in the numbers. So what was called an edge to Orr by 10 people, a draw by 10, edge to Godard by 11 people will show up as a loss for Orr. But in reality it was most likely a draw.

If the voting does not satisfy you, it's either your, someone else or no one's fault. Maybe your favorite fighter really took a loss, or maybe you can't call a fight objectively?
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Old 10-28-2009, 10:50 AM
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How about reading the ****ing post? I'm not complaining at all. Oh, and while you're at it, watch some hockey. The Leafs haven't had a heavyweight in years? I guess Belak (until 2008) and Domi (until 2006) don't count then, eh? We actually only went 1 year without a heavyweight...
But, like I said, I'm not complaining about him at all. I was more pointing out the fact that the voting seems to be off so far. I was more sticking up for Orr, saying his record should probably be 2-1-2 instead of 0-2-3.
Little uptight?
You're right I haven't watched a hockey game in years.

Wade Belak was useless as a heavyweight enforcer since 2005 when Orr broke his nose and wasn't even near most peoples Top 10 lists in his last few years with the Laughs (hence receiveing the Comeback Fighter of the Year Award last season). And Domi's last years with Toronto were sub-par to say the least.

Now you have Orr who is one of the most willing and best fighters in the league and you are worrying about the voting on this site?

The voting on here is skewed by tons of homers who just vote for their favorite player, vote against fighters they don't like or teams they don't like, etc. Nothing new. It is what it is, get over it.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:02 AM
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Little uptight?
You're right I haven't watched a hockey game in years.

Wade Belak was useless as a heavyweight enforcer since 2005 when Orr broke his nose and wasn't even near most peoples Top 10 lists in his last few years with the Laughs (hence receiveing the Comeback Fighter of the Year Award last season). And Domi's last years with Toronto were sub-par to say the least.

Now you have Orr who is one of the most willing and best fighters in the league and you are worrying about the voting on this site?

The voting on here is skewed by tons of homers who just vote for their favorite player, vote against fighters they don't like or teams they don't like, etc. Nothing new. It is what it is, get over it.
You're wrong on two things here. Face it. Firstly, you said, they haven't had anythign that RESEMBLED a heavyweight in year. gain, that's wrong. Belak, and Domi were both heavyweights. Period.
But that's beside the point. The point here is, you thought i was complaining about Orr. I wasn't. That's why I said you need to go back and read. I was complaining about the ****ty voters on this site. I've been pleased with Orr, for the most part, and that's why I was complaining about the voters here, because I don't think he's lost any fights.
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