More disappointing this year: Laraque or Parros?

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

are u bgl? i thought rugged was. anyway you do realize some fighters would be doing mma if they were not in the nhl? cote has come out and said that. so it kinda seems like some fighters like to get hit.

and yes i know some fighters enjoy getting hit or they would not be fighting dumbass

Cote and 90% of fighters in the NHL would get completley annihalted by anyone with ANY talent who fights in a Mixed Martial Art league.
Just because you can punch and take punches doesn't mean you'd have any chance in a sanctioned fight.
They might have a chance in Boxing.

[RetardedChimp]

Originally Posted by Knucklechucker

Cote and 90% of fighters in the NHL would get completley annihalted by anyone with ANY talent who fights in a Mixed Martial Art league.
Just because you can punch and take punches doesn't mean you'd have any chance in a sanctioned fight.
They might have a chance in Boxing.

Being a hockey fighter doesn't automatically translate into off-ice fighting. However, a lot of hockey fighters also train in MMA in the off-season.

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by RetardedChimp

Being a hockey fighter doesn't automatically translate into off-ice fighting. However, a lot of hockey fighters also train in MMA in the off-season.

Training something in the off season for 3-4 months won't help you for ****.
Do you honestly think REAL fighters who participate in UFC, WEC or any other league train for 3-4 months a year? No, they train every single day, all day.
And btw, when you train in MMA, your bassically being trained to punch and kick. Maybe a bit of ground game and clinch work. Granted this would help you in a hockey fight because clinching would come in handy.
ANYONE in ANY Mixed Martial art league has Years and years of training in a certain art, and then they generally have training in something else which they're not as dominant in, but will compliment they're other art.
Such as someone who trains boxing, would probably have Judo or BJJ. Because if they didn't they would get completely handled by someone who knows what they're doing in a grappling or ground scenario.

[RetardedChimp]

Originally Posted by Knucklechucker

Training something in the off season for 3-4 months won't help you for ****.
Do you honestly think REAL fighters who participate in UFC, WEC or any other league train for 3-4 months a year? No, they train every single day, all day.
And btw, when you train in MMA, your bassically being trained to punch and kick. Maybe a bit of ground game and clinch work. Granted this would help you in a hockey fight because clinching would come in handy.
ANYONE in ANY Mixed Martial art league has Years and years of training in a certain art, and then they generally have training in something else which they're not as dominant in, but will compliment they're other art.
Such as someone who trains boxing, would probably have Judo or BJJ. Because if they didn't they would get completely handled by someone who knows what they're doing in a grappling or ground scenario.

Hold on now, you said they would get "annihilated by anyone with ANY talent". But now you are talking about the cream of the crop professional fighters. I think what you meant to say was they would get annihilated by anyone with years and years of training in multiple art forms who's only source of income depends on training and winning MMA fights.

The point is the majority of hockey fighters are at the very least knowledgeable about what to do in a street fight, many of whom have themselves years of training under their belts. Most people who train 2-3 times a week at their local gym wouldn't win if they fought them.

I get what you are saying about hockey fighting not translating over into MMA. But these are professional athletes who are in incredible shape, know how to throw a punch, know how to take a punch, and are in general much tougher than the average person. Any sort of MMA training they have just makes them that much more dangerous in a off-ice fight.

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by RetardedChimp

Hold on now, you said they would get "annihilated by anyone with ANY talent". But now you are talking about the cream of the crop professional fighters. I think what you meant to say was they would get annihilated by anyone with years and years of training in multiple art forms who's only source of income depends on training and winning MMA fights.

The point is the majority of hockey fighters are at the very least knowledgeable about what to do in a street fight, many of whom have themselves years of training under their belts. Most people who train 2-3 times a week at their local gym wouldn't win if they fought them.

I get what you are saying about hockey fighting not translating over into MMA. But these are professional athletes who are in incredible shape, know how to throw a punch, know how to take a punch, and are in general much tougher than the average person. Any sort of MMA training they have just makes them that much more dangerous in a off-ice fight.

My bad, i wasn't clear.
I mean anyone who isn't a bush league MMA fighter.


And about the bolded. I'd honestly think the hockey fighting technique (grab the shirt, and punch with one hand) actually plays more into a street fight scenario then someone who has boxing lessons (most street fights aren't stand up and trade punches).
But the thing is, and i've seen it (my cousin is quite the judo fighter,i think he's brown belt? not entirely sure) and i'm quite a bit bigger then him and he's tossed me around like a ****ing ragdoll, and would do so even worse if i ever attempted to grab his shirt in a fight.
I'm not trying to say hockey fighters aren't good fighters, they're tough as ****.
Someone like Riley Cote, would probably do excellent in boxing, maybe even K1 where there isn't as much grappling/ground game. But MMA is a big step up from being able to throw punches and take punches.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

you notice how no one is backing you up and everyone is arguing with you? its because you dont know shiat and your annoying. go away you dont know what your talking about

Hahahahahaha backing me up? What, I need some people over the internet to be "in my corner" to prove whether or not I am right? Thats the best you got? Bro, you are way outta your mind here, your assumptions are idiotic. Please use some common sense.

As for everyone arguing with me, hmm, you mean like i have been at it with everyone here eh! or Do you mean pbag (whom is one person as far as I know) and I had a disagreement???

[fightingfan]

Originally Posted by Knucklechucker

Cote and 90% of fighters in the NHL would get completley annihalted by anyone with ANY talent who fights in a Mixed Martial Art league.
Just because you can punch and take punches doesn't mean you'd have any chance in a sanctioned fight.
They might have a chance in Boxing.

i disagree completely. i think alot of the top enforcers in hockey would do just fine. i see alot of mma fighters go down easy with punches. look at enforcers in the nhl, they have no gloves on and take some powerful punches with no signs of being dazed. plus hockey enforcers, well some of them are in as good if not better shape then some mma fighters. i think the fights would be pretty close

[fightingfan]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Hahahahahaha backing me up? What, I need some people over the internet to be "in my corner" to prove whether or not I am right? Thats the best you got? Bro, you are way outta your mind here, your assumptions are idiotic. Please use some common sense.

As for everyone arguing with me, hmm, you mean like i have been at it with everyone here eh! or Do you mean pbag (whom is one person as far as I know) and I had a disagreement???

your a moron who needs to shut the **** up. have you been in a fight before? i doubt it. and im not your bro.

did i say you need people in your corner? no. i said no one agrees with you and you are a joke who does nothing but talk about fighting when you really have no clue.

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

i disagree completely. i think alot of the top enforcers in hockey would do just fine. i see alot of mma fighters go down easy with punches. look at enforcers in the nhl, they have no gloves on and take some powerful punches with no signs of being dazed. plus hockey enforcers, well some of them are in as good if not better shape then some mma fighters. i think the fights would be pretty close

no offense then, but your completely retarded.
1. Try punching on skates, and try punching standing up. Which do you think is going to be harder.
2. The Gloves do nothing to take off power, they're mostly there so every single fight doesn't end in blood loss, the cuts would be ridiculous.
3. Saying hockey enforcers are in better shape then MMA fighters in a complete joke.

And here, i'll give your "some MMA fighters go down from punches easily" comment some merit.
If a MMA fighter has a suspect chin, it usually means he's ****ing ridiculous in something else. We'll take two fighters for example.
We'll use Riley Cote as the hockey fighter, and then use someone out of the Light heavy weigh division, how about Lyoto Machida, his chin isn't suspect, but he isn't known as a brawler.
Round 1: Riley Cote comes flying across the Octagon, chucking fists like a mad man, Machida side steps and catches Riley Cote with a high kick.
down goes riley.
Just because you can punch, doesn't mean you can fight in MMA.
Maybe boxing.

[fightingfan]

Originally Posted by Knucklechucker

no offense then, but your completely retarded.
1. Try punching on skates, and try punching standing up. Which do you think is going to be harder.
2. The Gloves do nothing to take off power, they're mostly there so every single fight doesn't end in blood loss, the cuts would be ridiculous.
3. Saying hockey enforcers are in better shape then MMA fighters in a complete joke.

And here, i'll give your "some MMA fighters go down from punches easily" comment some merit.
If a MMA fighter has a suspect chin, it usually means he's ****ing ridiculous in something else. We'll take two fighters for example.
We'll use Riley Cote as the hockey fighter, and then use someone out of the Light heavy weigh division, how about Lyoto Machida, his chin isn't suspect, but he isn't known as a brawler.
Round 1: Riley Cote comes flying across the Octagon, chucking fists like a mad man, Machida side steps and catches Riley Cote with a high kick.
down goes riley.
Just because you can punch, doesn't mean you can fight in MMA.
Maybe boxing.

how am i retarded when you make up imaginary fights? your saying they would get destroyed when it would actually be close.
1. punching on skates is harder to do so just picture how much more power is in their punches when they are bare foot in a ring
2. ill give you the glove thing, i thought they were there so you couldnt grab(shorts,Fence,Etc.)
3. i guarantee some are. look at some mma fighters builds and some enforcers builds. if you want to say conditioning look at frank mir. hes a top guy who has terrible conditioning.

fact is we will never know untill an enforcer does mma

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

how am i retarded when you make up imaginary fights? your saying they would get destroyed when it would actually be close.
1. punching on skates is harder to do so just picture how much more power is in their punches when they are bare foot in a ring
2. ill give you the glove thing, i thought they were there so you couldnt grab(shorts,Fence,Etc.)
3. i guarantee some are. look at some mma fighters builds and some enforcers builds. if you want to say conditioning look at frank mir. hes a top guy who has terrible conditioning.

fact is we will never know untill an enforcer does mma

This isn't necessarily true, because look at MOST NHL enforcers, they throw punches with no technique at all. they just randomly chuck they're fists, thats not going to cut it in the ring.
Frank Mir is a top heavy weight(not in my mind), yeah. But the thing is dude, We'll use Riley Cote, he's what? 200? He'd be fighting welter, MAYBE middle weight. No one in the UFC or pretty much any division fights at the weight they walk around at.
Even if you wanna use the bigger people, Boogaard, the dude punches like a beast. Probably the hardest puncher in the league, and he would get wrecked himself in the UFC. Being big and being able to punch hard, is not going to help you that much in MMA, sure it'll give you a punchers chance, but agaisnt anyone who has any training in ground game just has to avoid the big right and take them down for a submission.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by fightingfan

your a moron who needs to shut the **** up. have you been in a fight before? i doubt it. and im not your bro.

did i say you need people in your corner? no. i said no one agrees with you and you are a joke who does nothing but talk about fighting when you really have no clue.

Hahahahaha , how the hell do you know if anyone agrees with me?? Did everyone on this board send you a PM and tell you that they do not agree with me??? Idiot. Didn't Knucklechucker just call you retarded?? So does that make me the only one who disagrees with you??

Btw--what does it matter if I have been in a fight or not ?? How is this relevant to the claims you have made. You are a joke. You continue to talk about **** you have no clue about.

[BrianTheAdsFan]

This argument is pointless.

If you put a top MMA guy on skates, Tom Kostopolus would probably beat his ass.

Put Tommy in a ring, he'd get his lunch handed to him.

Apples and Oranges...

[GorillaForSale]

I'm not going to bother quoting anyone because I don't feel it deserves it.

This is all I'm going to say: anybody on here, anybody who claims that "the majority of" or "lots of" or "any hockey player who trains MMA in the off season" would be able to compete in a professional or amateur MMA league is not only completely and utterly ignorant, but borderline retarded as well.

NO successful mixed martial artists "train in the off season" I've trained judo for 13 years and I've competed at nationals and several international tournaments. I play street hockey sometimes, and I used to play a little bit of ice hockey when I was younger. I would easily be able to compete with the professional athletes that play in the NHL.

There, now that you've seen it put that way, does it not sound like a completely idiotic statement? You people need to shut the **** up cause you have no idea what you're talking about.

To the dude who said Frank Mir has terrible conditioning: you're a ****ING IDIOT the man was in a terrible motorcycle accident and is just now starting to get back into the shape he was before the accident, and he's still fighting for the title.

You have no idea what it takes to make it in MMA or any combat sport, because I would be willing to bet that the majority of you have never practiced a combat sport.

It's ****ing brutal. Judo is one of the most "gentle" of combat sports, and I've had to undergo 2 major surgeries, which put me out of commission for over a year and a half together, and I just turned 19 in April.

Stop discussing things that you have not the slightest clue about, and talk about hockey, because that's what you know.

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by BrianTheAdsFan

This argument is pointless.

If you put a top MMA guy on skates, Tom Kostopolus would probably beat his ass.

Put Tommy in a ring, he'd get his lunch handed to him.

Apples and Oranges...

Not true at all man, What if the MMA fighter knows how to skate.
what if he's a muay thai fighter and has an excellent clinch game?
then what happens?