Laraque : the end ?

[Taubi]

Originally Posted by Juha82

Laraques win% is high always.
HEs great fighter for sure, master-fighter.

thats right, but brash has more wins, but more losses than bgl.

[I like Boobs]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

He's strong as an ox and at one time was deadly. These days his fights are few and far between and when they do happen they're boring. ALWAYS resorts to the takedown if he considers his opponent dangerous. It wouldn't bother me a bit if he retired. I don't consider him the champ anymore and haven't for a while.

The problem is that you can't beat him straight up... Who in the league can handle Laraque????

Brash won't... He's ducked the top guys for forever. When's the last time he's opened up against a legitimate heavy???? 1993???

Laraque will beat 9/10 guys in the league, 98% of the time and anyone/everyone knows this for a fact. The point remains nobody will try him as an individual making him nearly unbeatable. His repuation is 150% better than Brashqueers.

[Taubi]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

The problem is that you can't beat him straight up... Who in the league can handle Laraque????

Brash won't... He's ducked the top guys for forever. When's the last time he's opened up against a legitimate heavy???? 1993???

Laraque will beat 9/10 guys in the league, 98% of the time and anyone/everyone knows this for a fact. The point remains nobody will try him as an individual making him nearly unbeatable. His repuation is 150% better than Brashqueers.

look at the alltime stats. brash has more wins > bgl. but, brash had more losses, yes. bgl had more draws than wins. brash had more win-KOs.
brash beat more guys than bgl in his career.
okay, the point is, brash plays more and longer nhl.

brash is the best when it comes into a infight. he had really strong and fastest hands. bgl is big and very strong to and had a great balance, but the better fighter is still brashear > over years. its true!

[I like Boobs]

Originally Posted by Taubi

look at the alltime stats. brash has more wins > bgl. but, brash had more losses, yes. bgl had more draws than wins. brash had more win-KOs.
brash beat more guys than bgl in his career.
okay, the point is, brash plays more and longer nhl.

brash is the best when it comes into a infight. he had really strong and fastest hands. bgl is big and very strong to and had a great balance, but the better fighter is still brashear > over years. its true!

Ok????

The point I am trying to make is that there is NOBODY and the ILB means NOBODY who can beat Laraque straight up in the NHL today.

Boogey (can't), Brashear (scared.... will NEVER open up), Orr (not yet) or Belak (beaten many times) can't beat Laraque. Thornton with Boston has a shot, but only if he jumps Laraque or fights him when he isn't totally prepared (like he usually does).

Who else is there in the NHL today? Stortinnnnniiiii????? LOL. Hordi couldn't beat anyone, and that leaves approximately... No one???

[Taubi]

Brashear scared? *lol

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no brash, no bgl beat the other clean. both have respect for eachother, both are great!

boogy can´t?
> bgl wresltes boogey down, thats all.
boogy can beat bgl. oh yeah.


you talking bull**** my little bgl friend.

[Juha82]

Brashear is higher than Laraque on my Top20 all the time list
but Laraque had a time to get better his rank yet.
He isnt so so old player.
If i remember correctly Brash's rank is 6 and Laraque's 11.
Simon, McSorley and McCarthy are ahead of Laraque, YET.

[Sugden Flu]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

The problem is that you can't beat him straight up... Who in the league can handle Laraque????

You can't beat him 'straight up' because he won't fight guys 'straight up'. When was the lasttime we saw BGL go T2T with a legit guy without him quickly resorting to the take down? Maybe Mitch Fritz lastyear? And Laraque lost that fight.

[TML-Mike]

Originally Posted by Juha82

Laraques win% is high always.
HEs great fighter for sure, master-fighter.

His win percentage is high, but his fight rating (entertainment wise) is low. He rarely has entertaining or fast paced fights, and when he does, it's against the Cote's or Josh Gratton's of the world. When he fights someone good, you never see him fight the way Orr, McGrattan, Godard, or even Brashear do. He just wrestles them.
Look at his fight card over the past few years. Most of his fights against Belak, Shelley, Orr, McGrattan, Ivanans, Godard, etc are all rated low. Yet his fights against Cote, Grattan, Barch, etc are rated high...
BGL featss on ****ty competition, and when he fights someone good, he just wrestles them or pushes them down.

[moxie]

Well no matter how much I hate the guy and no matter how boring he is as a fighter, he has made basically the best possible career for himself given his skill-set. He is the highest paid HW in the league, and he probably has a few more HW years left in him due to the way he chooses to fight "smart."

One thing that really pisses me off about Laraque is that he acts like some kind of a mouthpiece. He was ranting to the media last year about how fighters are getting injured because their helmets are coming off, and yet his entire strategy going into his fights (with real HWs) is to throw the guy on the ice in an awkward fashion. Looking back at stuff like his fight with Chris Simon where he basically forearmed Simon's head into the ice splitting him open, and to his typical hip-toss strategy which pretty much screwed Brian McGrattan's career for 2 years, the guy should keep his mouth shut. I feel like he is trying to get his face in the media a lot to get himself a job on TSN or something after he retires.

[zdrok]

Eventhough people get on the guy for his takedowns, there really isn't any defense to stop them (like some have already said), and who would want BGL landing on them? I don't think Laraque backs away from fighting, he just might be getting tired of his role and reputation in the league. He's not the same enforcer he used to be in Edmonton, but he'll still do what it takes to stick around for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if decides to hang it up after a couple more seasons.

[skacore]

Originally Posted by moxie

Well no matter how much I hate the guy and no matter how boring he is as a fighter, he has made basically the best possible career for himself given his skill-set. He is the highest paid HW in the league, and he probably has a few more HW years left in him due to the way he chooses to fight "smart."

One thing that really pisses me off about Laraque is that he acts like some kind of a mouthpiece. He was ranting to the media last year about how fighters are getting injured because their helmets are coming off, and yet his entire strategy going into his fights (with real HWs) is to throw the guy on the ice in an awkward fashion. Looking back at stuff like his fight with Chris Simon where he basically forearmed Simon's head into the ice splitting him open, and to his typical hip-toss strategy which pretty much screwed Brian McGrattan's career for 2 years, the guy should keep his mouth shut. I feel like he is trying to get his face in the media a lot to get himself a job on TSN or something after he retires.

Exactly I agree and have said that before too.. for someone who preaches about fighting in hockey so much, he sure does have a dangerous and boring fighting style. He loves tossing guys to the ice and landing on top of them.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

You can't beat him 'straight up' because he won't fight guys 'straight up'. When was the lasttime we saw BGL go T2T with a legit guy without him quickly resorting to the take down? Maybe Mitch Fritz lastyear? And Laraque lost that fight.

You are kidding me right? They went toe to toe? The only punch of any consequence was Laraques - which btw bloodied Fritz. Honestly, that was not much of a fight at all, let alone toe to toe.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by TML-Mike

His win percentage is high, but his fight rating (entertainment wise) is low. He rarely has entertaining or fast paced fights, and when he does, it's against the Cote's or Josh Gratton's of the world. When he fights someone good, you never see him fight the way Orr, McGrattan, Godard, or even Brashear do. He just wrestles them.
Look at his fight card over the past few years. Most of his fights against Belak, Shelley, Orr, McGrattan, Ivanans, Godard, etc are all rated low. Yet his fights against Cote, Grattan, Barch, etc are rated high...
BGL featss on ****ty competition, and when he fights someone good, he just wrestles them or pushes them down.

Is the point of fighting to win or entertain? Would you rather watch WWE or UFC? Who cares how he wins them, as long as he wins, thats all that matters.

[Knucklechucker]

Originally Posted by Taubi

Brashear scared? *lol

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIKNvuD4Dx4

no brash, no bgl beat the other clean. both have respect for eachother, both are great!

boogy can´t?
> bgl wresltes boogey down, thats all.
boogy can beat bgl. oh yeah.


you talking bull**** my little bgl friend.

Laraque won that fight,
just so you know

[TML-Mike]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Is the point of fighting to win or entertain? Would you rather watch WWE or UFC? Who cares how he wins them, as long as he wins, thats all that matters.

The point is, none of them are really impressive. I'm not saying his whole career has been boring. Just the last 2 years. The majority of his fights have no action, and are over quickly, and he falls on the guy. I'm just saying I don't think having a 7-2 record or something each year warrants being considered the champ, when the only time you open up is against weak opponents.
He's still a great fighter. I just dont think he's the top guy anymore, because his amount of fights have gone down, and so has the quality of his fights. He bbasically grabs the guy, holds on to him, hugs him, twists him, and pushes him to the ice. That doesn't warrant being considered the top guy IMO, no matter how many wins you get.