Best fighter, not a heavyweight

[Godly_goon]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

So Tyson should have fought as a "strawweight"?. Its size that determines class, me thinks.

hal gill

Tie Domi

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by TaskerVsSenn

Make a search. This has been done over and over and...
Is Bertuzzi a heavy in your book?

Its how big "you" are, not your opponents. You can fight outside your weightclass but if your a heavy, your a heavy, regardless of how big your opponent is. And yes, Bert is a "heavy". No search needed.

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by Godly_goon

hal gill

Tie Domi

Domi's last weight was 217 lbs. So yep, he was a heavy, as is Hal Gill. Nice try but FAIL.

[TaskerVsSenn]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Domi's last weight was 217 lbs. So yep, he was a heavy, as is Hal Gill. Nice try but FAIL.

Going by your 'standard' what makes a heavy?
And GG didn't fail. He just proved our point.

[pramovich]

Obviously size determines the weight class. The "class" of a fighter is different from "weight class". Lucic is at the very least a light heavy. End of debate fukk off the lot of ya'z now get back to the topic.

[Skorka85]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

So Tyson should have fought as a "strawweight"?. Its size that determines class, me thinks.

The only things hockey and boxing have in common are two guys punching each other. Boxing has set weight classes, hockey doesn't. Floyd Mayweather would never have to fight Tyson because Mayweather took a run at Tyson's goalie. In hockey there can always be discrepancies between fighters, Cam Janssen is a middleweight in size, a light heavy at best, but he'll fight guys that in boxing no one would ever sanction him to fight against. Lucic may be heavy weight sized, but a smaller guy like Janssen has a HW's card that Lucic does not. It's just their roles as hockey players. Activity, card and size all play a part in determining a fighter's status in hockey. David Koci is 6'6 228 and Marek Malik is 6'6 233. Are they both heavyweights?

[Godly_goon]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Domi's last weight was 217 lbs. So yep, he was a heavy, as is Hal Gill. Nice try but FAIL.

k lets just bust out a hypothetical question here..

lets say next year sam gagner (5'10 190) gets a little angry that mike comrie stole number 89 on him so he goes out every game and beats the living sh*t outta everyteams heavyweight he Knocks out laraque knocks out brashear tko's belak and boogard, and then cleans the rink with colton orr darcy hordichuck then wipes his knuckles with riley cote

and finnishes the season wiht a record of 82-0-0 all over top heavyweights (including bertuzzi on the redwings)

he wouldnt be the NHL's Heavyweight champion? because he is 5'10 and 190?? seems weird



and hey red wings lets rejoice i guess you guys finnaly got a heavyweight in bertuzzi! congrats

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by TaskerVsSenn

Going by your 'standard' what makes a heavy?
And GG didn't fail. He just proved our point.

Who is "Our"? What makes a heavy? Are you kidding me? By your reasoning(or the lack thereof) if a 400 lb guy fights opponents who all weigh less than 195 lbs, is he a "light heavy" or a "middle"?. Nice try troll. You also FAIL.

[Godly_goon]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Who is "Our"? What makes a heavy? Are you kidding me? By your reasoning(or the lack thereof) if a 400 lb guy fights opponents who all weigh less than 195 lbs, is he a "light heavy" or a "middle"?. Nice try troll. You also FAIL.

yup if a 400 pound guy does get his ass kicked by some one less then 195 pounds he is a middleweight or a lightheavy depends on how he does


really on hockeyfights.com we dont have weightclasses we have skill levels named after weight classes


Heavyweights - the best fighters who only fight other elite fighters (brashear, laraque boogaard)

Lightheavyweights - they are good fighters who usually play the second fighter on the team fights other lightheavies and the odd time heavyweights and middle weights (lucic, asham, stortini, lappy,)

middleweights- isnt there to fight more there to play the game but doesnt shy away from the rough stuff (iginla, weber, penner)

lightweights - the skilled players dont expect more then 1-2 fights a year from them (comrie, gagner, crosby)

[acd1]

I smaller guy can earn HW status by consistently taking on heavies (Riley Cote). But you can't erase a guys height and weight. If you're 6'4" 220 you are a heavy weight whether you choose to fight heavies or not. If BGL decides to focus on fighting Mike Komisarek's and Chris Neil's, does that mean we should now consider him a MW? No.

[TaskerVsSenn]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

Who is "Our"? What makes a heavy? Are you kidding me? By your reasoning(or the lack thereof) if a 400 lb guy fights opponents who all weigh less than 195 lbs, is he a "light heavy" or a "middle"?. Nice try troll. You also FAIL.

Where do you draw the line? 200lb, 210lb?
A huge guy with only LWs on his card is not heavy in hockey and Bertuzzi is a perfect example.

[Gunslinger]

At least you put alot of thought and work into your reply, unlike someone else I know. I still don't agree but I will give you propers and leave it at that. Thanks.

[Juha82]

C.Neil is the best

[Rampage76]

I´ll go with Rick Rypien.

And on the other subject being discussed....

Being a HW is all about size...Lucic for example is way to big to be considered anything other than a HW.
I´d say that 215 lbs. is the limit between LHW and HW size-wise.

If you are 230 lbs. and only fight guys that are in the 200 lbs. range then that means that you are a HW fighting LHW/MW.

[BlackAce]

I's give my votes to Neil or Avery... Iginla is one tough SOB as well!