Former Penn State Football Coach Jerry Sandusky Indicted On Sex Charges

[pigfarmer]

I just find it funny that sanctions against schools are acceptable when they find out someone traded pants for a tatoo etc. but when children are molested all of a sudden its an attack on the whole community if you sanction the school.

[flex_buff_chest]

Originally Posted by pigfarmer

I just find it funny that sanctions against schools are acceptable when they find out someone traded pants for a tatoo etc. but when children are molested all of a sudden its an attack on the whole community if you sanction the school.

This is a really good point. This is what's wrong with North America...our priorities are all goofed up and no one seems to care.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

So why should students have to pay higher tuition and housing, and have some extracurricular activities cut out of the budget because the school loses over $200 million over four years?

There's a reason the NCAA imposed a sanction against the football program of $15 million for four years instead of banning the program altogether -- so it doesn't cripple the school and affect tens of thousands who weren't involved in an alleged cover-up. Why can't you guys see just how much else would be affected in the Penn State community if its football program was axed? Talk about being ignorant to facts...

Also, you're acting like PSU is the only university that has a football program bigger than its school. How about Texas, Notre DaEme, SEC, or really any D-1 school? The importance of college football to American universities is not just a Penn State problem; it's a national problem.

Isn't it sad that students tuition is tied into the success or failur of a football team?
And this just perpetuates the exact problem here.
This type of setup lends itself to covering up problems. After all so many people are dependent on the football program succeeding right?
Instead let's have every institution be accountable for there actions good and bad.
Have we lost our moral compass that badly?

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by canuck2

Isn't it sad that students tuition is tied into the success or failur of a football team?
And this just perpetuates the exact problem here.
This type of setup lends itself to covering up problems. After all so many people are dependent on the football program succeeding right?
Instead let's have every institution be accountable for there actions good and bad.
Have we lost our moral compass that badly?

Yes and no. It's not just the football program that tuition is tied to. Any loss of income can result in higher tuition at any school. In Penn State's case, the football program one of their biggest money-makers. What you're referring to now is a college football problem, not a Penn State problem. Unfortunately, that's what college football in America has come to, but that's no excuse for allegedly covering up a child molester.

[flex_buff_chest]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

Yes and no. It's not just the football program that tuition is tied to. Any loss of income can result in higher tuition at any school. In Penn State's case, the football program one of their biggest money-makers. What you're referring to now is a college football problem, not a Penn State problem. Unfortunately, that's what college football in America has come to, but that's no excuse for allegedly covering up a child molester.

You are what's wrong with America. The attitude that you are owed something. LULZ

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by pigfarmer

I just find it funny that sanctions against schools are acceptable when they find out someone traded pants for a tatoo etc. but when children are molested all of a sudden its an attack on the whole community if you sanction the school.

I think what you're referring to are the people who believe the NCAA overstepped its boundaries in punishing Penn State. The hypothetical example you made is a direct violation of NCAA rules. What happened at Penn State is not. It's a violation of many other real life laws, but it doesn't involve the NCAA. That's what some people have a problem with, and there is a case to be made for that.

Personally, I think PSU deserved most of it. The vacating of wins is stupid, as there was no competitive advantage gained, but everything else is deserved. But just because I agree with the sanctions doesn't mean I think the NCAA acted properly to get there. They based their sanctions on a half-assed report that contained very little physical evidence and a lot of conjecture.

[Polish Hammer]

Originally Posted by pigfarmer

I just find it funny that sanctions against schools are acceptable when they find out someone traded pants for a tatoo etc. but when children are molested all of a sudden its an attack on the whole community if you sanction the school.

LOL! The State Penn fan base was so ridiculous they got a kick out of seeing other schools get in trouble like USC, Ohio State, Miami(Fl) etc...but as soon as the most vile incident to hit the sports world involves them they want to step back and distance it from them. It's not a PSU football problem...not a PSU problem...the guy was no longer a PSU employee..blab blab blab. Then blame ESPN, the Harrisburg Patriot News and everyone but those involved. The culture these same people help create is the same one they catered to in covering up the situation. That the President went to Joe years ago with the intent of getting him to finally retire and Joe ran him off and got an extension just goes to show you how much power that man had in that town. We're supposed to believe poor old Joe didn't understand what sodomy was and didn't know what happened in that shower yet 10 years later was swift enough to coach up a team and pick apart defenses and shut down offenses well into his 80s. The vacating of wins will never be recognized by most outside of an official log/book, it was done to take away the one thing Joe clung on for years after he should have shut down Jerry and years after he should've retired...convenient timing with the wins record and indictment, to say the least. That Sandusky was forced out in his early 50s and nobody ever came calling, yet Joe went into his 80s, says a lot about the dirty little secret in the coaching fraternity. That Joe found our about him raping boys and told him to go spend more time with the 2nd Mile speaks volumes...really? He's raping kids and you thinks it's best that instead of spending the little precious downtime a coach has he should spend all if his time with the kids was a wise decision? It was the "humane" thing to do, really????

And now everyone wants to feel sorry for them? Because they feel victimized by the sanctions? There's a lot if victims in this case and none are players, coaches, administrators,boosters or fans.

[98AccordEX]

Originally Posted by Polish Hammer

LOL! The State Penn fan base was so ridiculous they got a kick out of seeing other schools get in trouble like USC, Ohio State, Miami(Fl) etc.

these are completely different topics. the first day that a college player steps on campus they sit down with the AD and he discusses the NCAA regulations. they tell you that you arent allowed to receive benefits. they dont sit down and tell you that you arent allowed to rape people, kill people, molest children, etc. those are all criminal offenses. wins are vacated because of an ineligible player playing to gain an advantage. they did not have a single player that broke an NCAA rule. but the NCAA steps in and regulates PSU anyway for 3 guys committing criminal offenses. prosecute the guys that committed crimes. but why does the NCAA get involved?

USC committed recruiting violations. OSU had players receive improper benefits. Miami had a known Ponzi scheme runner on their plane(and still has not received any sanctions i dont believe). these are all NCAA violations. hence the NCAA getting involved. should the legal system get involved because they broke NCAA rules?

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by Polish Hammer

LOL! The State Penn fan base was so ridiculous they got a kick out of seeing other schools get in trouble like USC, Ohio State, Miami(Fl) etc...but as soon as the most vile incident to hit the sports world involves them they want to step back and distance it from them. It's not a PSU football...not a PSU problem...the guy was no longer a PSU employee..blab blab blab. Then blame ESPN the Harrisburg Patriot News and everyone but those involved. The culture these same people help create is the same one they catered to in covering up the situation. That the President went to Joe years ago with the intent of getting him to finally retire and Joe ran him off and got an extension just goes to show you how much power that man had in that town. We're supposed to believe poor old Joe didn't understand what sodomy was and didn't know what happened in that shower yet 10 years later was swift enough to coach up a team and pick apart defended and shut down offended well into his 80s. The vacating of wins will never be recognized by most outside of an official log/book, it was done to take away the one thing Joe clung on for years after he should have shut down Jerry and years after he should've retired...convenient timing with the wins record and indictment, to say the least. That Sandusky was forced out in his early 50s and nobody ever came calling, yet Joe went into his 80s, says a lot about the dirty little secret in the coaching fraternity. That Joe found our about him raping boys and told him to go spend more time with the 2nd Mile speaks volumes...really? He's raping kids and you thinks it's best that instead of spending the little precious downtime a coach has he should spend all if his time with the kids was a wise decision? It was the "humane" thing to do, really????

And now everyone wants to feel sorry for them? Because they feel victimized by the sanctions? There's a lot if victims in this case and none are players, coaches, administrators,boosters or fans.

I think that's a great post, except about you thinking they're aren't other victims. Fans and players sure are victims. Just because somebody is a bigger victim than them, doesn't mean they're not victims too. Except for the fan freaks who continue to defend this.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

Yes and no. It's not just the football program that tuition is tied to. Any loss of income can result in higher tuition at any school. In Penn State's case, the football program one of their biggest money-makers. What you're referring to now is a college football problem, not a Penn State problem. Unfortunately, that's what college football in America has come to, but that's no excuse for allegedly covering up a child molester.

But according to your analysis we shouldnt punish Penn State because so many people are dependent on them succeeding.
Next time someone commits a murder the judge should look carefully at who is dependent on this murderer. If he has a large family they should just give him parole so he can work. If he's a poor kid from the ghetto just lock hiim up forever.
there's the justice system according to Phila26.

[Polish Hammer]

Not to mention these Athletic Departments are separate entities and will not take a dime from the school or cause tuition to raise. They are like independent self-sustaining businesses. Also worth mentioning is how in the past two years or so they came in and basically put like a mob tax on all seats. Season tickets that have been in the family for decades weren't making them enough so to open things up they forced STHs to kick in 100s to 1000s of $$$ per seat just to have the right to buy those same seats. Many people refused and were ultimately displaced to far less desirable locations. They pissed off many which is why attendance has dropped in that time. This year is the 1st time they took those same mandatory donations and added them to the single-game price so those same tickets that have a face value of $55 or $75 are like $75 and $95. People at the Ohio game looked for scalper's and were shut down so they got in line at the ticket windows to only them find out this new policy. There were like 9000 empty seats that day yet 1000s waited in these lines and many left because they didn't want to pay the extra per ticket price and/or stand in those long ass lines. All things being normal would have seen a sellout on opening day against Ohio. PSUs greed with the program has peaked, they will have $$ to pay what they owe and tuition will not jump up like you think.

[Polish Hammer]

They'll have little problem making ends meet.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-07-20...ticket-holders

http://triblive.com/news/2264473-74/...pay-university

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...ation&id=63193

In the 2010-11 school year, Penn State's athletic department had a total revenue of more than $116 million, according to figures collected by USA Today. Deduct expenses, and the department's net surplus amounted to $31.6 million, ranking it second only to SEC powerhouse Alabama.


http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/co...2.html?nav=742

The new plan, the Harrisburg newspaper reported, could generate $24 million more annually for the university.

http://thegazette.com/2012/07/22/a-l...etic-finances/

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by pigfarmer

I just find it funny that sanctions against schools are acceptable when they find out someone traded pants for a tatoo etc. but when children are molested all of a sudden its an attack on the whole community if you sanction the school.

The NCAA's sole function, by its own mission statement, is to regulate/sanction recruiting violations of member schools. The function of the judicial system and its criminal courts is to investigate and punish criminals (e.g., rapists, molesters and co-conspirators). Penn State's football program didn't commit any recruiting violations, therefore the NCAA has no business or authority here. Criminal acts were committed by individuals who were members of the football program, therefore the judicial system is the only appropriate authority here.

Originally Posted by canuck2

Isn't it sad that students tuition is tied into the success or failur of a football team?
And this just perpetuates the exact problem here.
This type of setup lends itself to covering up problems. After all so many people are dependent on the football program succeeding right?
Instead let's have every institution be accountable for there actions good and bad.
Have we lost our moral compass that badly?

No, but you've lost your moral compass pretty badly if you believe entire "institutions" should be held accountable for the criminal acts of a few of the many thousands of individuals who are associated with them.

I realize this is a tough concept to grasp, but institutions are abstractions. They only exist in your head. Schools are not alive. They're inanimate buildings composed of brick and mortar. That's why neither institutions nor schools can be tried for crimes in a court of law.

Individuals, large groups of them, go to these schools/institutions. A very tiny percentage of them commit crimes. When those relatively few individuals who commit the crimes are investigated and found guilty in a court of law, they, not the thousands of innocent individuals who have absolutely nothing to do with them, should be punished.

Contrary to your "accountable institution" position, it's not a crime simply to go to the same school with which a few bad individuals are associated. Since this isn't a crime, nobody but the actual criminals who are convicted of crimes should be punished.

Originally Posted by flex_buff_chest

You are what's wrong with America. The attitude that you are owed something. LULZ

Not to be punished for crimes committed by other people is being "owed something"? Gee, Americans sure do expect a lot.

While the NCAA is at it, why doesn't it try to punish the entire country? After all, America is a big sponsor of college football, the very same sport that Jerry Sandusky assistant-coached at Penn State.

[hockey doc]

Originally Posted by hockey doc

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169002...ust-dead-wrong

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ons/index.html

There are literally 100's of articles floating around the internet like these two above, did you author any yourself?

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

The NCAA's sole function, by its own mission statement, is to regulate/sanction recruiting violations of member schools. The function of the judicial system and its criminal courts is to investigate and punish criminals (e.g., rapists, molesters and co-conspirators). Penn State's football program didn't commit any recruiting violations, therefore the NCAA has no business or authority here. Criminal acts were committed by individuals who were members of the football program, therefore the judicial system is the only appropriate authority here.



No, but you've lost your moral compass pretty badly if you believe entire "institutions" should be held accountable for the criminal acts of a few of the many thousands of individuals who are associated with them.

I realize this is a tough concept to grasp, but institutions are abstractions. They only exist in your head. Schools are not alive. They're inanimate buildings composed of brick and mortar. That's why neither institutions nor schools can be tried for crimes in a court of law.

Individuals, large groups of them, go to these schools/institutions. A very tiny percentage of them commit crimes. When those relatively few individuals who commit the crimes are investigated and found guilty in a court of law, they, not the thousands of innocent individuals who have absolutely nothing to do with them, should be punished.

Contrary to your "accountable institution" position, it's not a crime simply to go to the same school with which a few bad individuals are associated. Since this isn't a crime, nobody but the actual criminals who are convicted of crimes should be punished.



Not to be punished for crimes committed by other people is being "owed something"? Gee, Americans sure do expect a lot.

While the NCAA is at it, why doesn't it try to punish the entire country? After all, America is a big sponsor of college football, the very same sport that Jerry Sandusky assistant-coached at Penn State.

You know what your problem is? You have too much common sense.

[Phila26Flyers]

Jerry Sandusky was sentenced today to serve 30 to 60 years in prison. He will not be eligible for parole for 30 years and the 112 days he spent in jail while awaiting sentencing count toward his sentence.