Former Penn State Football Coach Jerry Sandusky Indicted On Sex Charges

[BobNystromOwnsU]

All kinds of business in the area. Restaurants, bars, and hotels. All the people who work in those places will be affected. All the little people who didn't rape little boys would be screwed.

[chilly666]

they might be affected, but im sure most if not all of those people will still have a job during the week but it won't kill them though. its not like they all are being laid off because penn state football wouldn't be playing.

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by 98AccordEX

i apologize for calling you a moron. but victim 2 didnt just not testify. victim 2 was never identified. i just dont see how you can have this guy supposedly see this happen and him do nothing about it except tell Paterno the next day. there are 10 kids that come forward and testify. this, and the other one that was supposedly witnessed, are the only 2 that did not identify the kids. McQueary then has 4 different stories about what he did. how is that credible? i am not defending Sandusky at all. but i also dont think McQueary is very credible

i dont know if this kid was raped. you dont know if this kid was raped. even in McQuearys story he doesnt know if he was raped. so get it out of your mind that this kid was raped

i agree to disagree with you. i'll move on because this debate about any of this is a never-ending debate. everyone has their opinion and isnt going to be changed

That's fair, and apology accepted. I don't know if he was raped, but, apparently, he has now been identified, and has brought a lawsuit against the university (or is in the process of doing so), so it will be interesting.

I know the grand jury found McQueary to be "extremely credible", and his testimony at trial was described by one juror as "eye-opening"; and it DID help to secure 4 convictions, including 'indecent assault'.

I understand your arguments, but reasonable minds can certainly disagree; which is okay.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by chilly666

shutting down football would not have the effect on the school as you claim because it only effects roughly 100 "student athletes". there are over 60,000 students, shutting down a sport that effects 100 of those roughly 60,000 students will not kill the school and is very preposterous to claim.

Haha, "100 people"? "300 people"? If Penn State got the four-year football ban like you wanted, what do you think happens when Penn State loses the $53+ million its football program brings to the school PER YEAR? Tuition goes UP. Housing goes UP. CUTS are made to university staff and extra curricular programs. The athletic department tries to recover some of its losses, and ticket prices for other events go UP. That's just on campus.

Penn State is currently the 3rd most valuable college football program in the country. With that said, still think there's just "300 people" four lost football seasons would affect? A program that large and wealthy doesn't affect just "300 people" when it gets shut down. Goddamn dude, I know you're on the PSU hatewagon but could you at least TRY to rationalize ANY of what you say?

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by chilly666

they might be affected, but im sure most if not all of those people will still have a job during the week but it won't kill them though. its not like they all are being laid off because penn state football wouldn't be playing.

Why should they be punished at all?

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by chilly666

ok fair...then lets say roughly there are about 300 others at the stadium between security, ushers, field crew, etc etc...that still is not going to kill the school as phila made it out to be. it may hurt others that work there especially the field crew and such, but it won't kill the school itself.

You're not taking into account the prestige, visibility and renown the football program brings to the school. If it wasn't for the football team, I probably would never have known Penn State existed. I can't imagine I'm the only person who is aware of Penn State because of the national visibility its football team provides it.

100 people affected? 300 people? C'mon. That's an impossibly tiny estimate.

Nevertheless, suppose it was only 100 or 300 people who are adversely affected by the decision? Why should any single one of them be punished for crimes with which not a one of them had any involvement?

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

Haha, "100 people"? "300 people"? If Penn State got the four-year football ban like you wanted, what do you think happens when Penn State loses the $53+ million its football program brings to the school PER YEAR? Tuition goes UP. Housing goes UP. CUTS are made to university staff and extra curricular programs. The athletic department tries to recover some of its losses, and ticket prices for other events go UP. That's just on campus.

Penn State is currently the 3rd most valuable college football program in the country. With that said, still think there's just "300 people" four lost football seasons would affect? A program that large and wealthy doesn't affect just "300 people" when it gets shut down. Goddamn dude, I know you're on the PSU hatewagon but could you at least TRY to rationalize ANY of what you say?

So what? The football program cant skate free because of the economic impact it has. Too bad. Plays right into how the institution got in trouble to begin with. Not doing the right thing to protect legacies and the reputation of the institution.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by canuck2

So what? The football program cant skate free because of the economic impact it has. Too bad. Plays right into how the institution got in trouble to begin with. Not doing the right thing to protect legacies and the reputation of the institution.

So why should students have to pay higher tuition and housing, and have some extracurricular activities cut out of the budget because the school loses over $200 million over four years?

There's a reason the NCAA imposed a sanction against the football program of $15 million for four years instead of banning the program altogether -- so it doesn't cripple the school and affect tens of thousands who weren't involved in an alleged cover-up. Why can't you guys see just how much else would be affected in the Penn State community if its football program was axed? Talk about being ignorant to facts...

Also, you're acting like PSU is the only university that has a football program bigger than its school. How about Texas, Notre Dame, SEC, or really any D-1 school? The importance of college football to American universities is not just a Penn State problem; it's a national problem.

[flex_buff_chest]

The sense of entitlement that people have is hilarious.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by flex_buff_chest

The sense of entitlement that people have is hilarious.

EVERYONE LOOK AT ME

Please explain what and who you're taking about. Otherwise, the adults are talking.

[flex_buff_chest]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

EVERYONE LOOK AT ME

Please explain what and who you're taking about. Otherwise, the adults are talking.

I've explained my point of view earlier on in the thread.

If you don't like what I have to say go ahead and use your ignore funtion there pumpkin.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

So why should students have to pay higher tuition and housing, and have some extracurricular activities cut out of the budget because the school loses over $200 million over four years?

There's a reason the NCAA imposed a sanction against the football program of $15 million for four years instead of banning the program altogether -- so it doesn't cripple the school and affect tens of thousands who weren't involved in an alleged cover-up. Why can't you guys see just how much else would be affected in the Penn State community if its football program was axed? Talk about being ignorant to facts...

i can't believe i agree with that knucklehead canuck2 on something....but anyways phila. the school just raised over $200 million in donations (exact money i could be wrong on) so there is no reason that penn state can cry pity if football were to be banned for four years and lose that money because donations to that amount will cover alot if not all to where expenses won't kill people not on scholarships.

plus there are plenty of grants out there for kids these days along with student loans...so crying pity about tuition rising is irrelevant.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by chilly666

i can't believe i agree with that knucklehead canuck2 on something....but anyways phila. the school just raised over $200 million in donations (exact money i could be wrong on) so there is no reason that penn state can cry pity if football were to be banned for four years and lose that money because donations to that amount will cover alot if not all to where expenses won't kill people not on scholarships.

plus there are plenty of grants out there for kids these days along with student loans...so crying pity about tuition rising is irrelevant.

I know what you're talking about, and it's money the school received during the 2011-12 school year, totaling $208 million. While it's a school record for donations, it's also common for the school to raise similar amounts of money. We can assume that money helps keep school operations running smoothly. However, the fact remains that $200 million over four years is a large dent in the school's income. You just cannot trust that record donations will continue to pour in while the school continues to be slammed with tens of millions of dollars in legal costs and civil suits. You can expect that number to continue increasing as well. When there's that much money going OUT, like any institution they have to either cut expenses or recover that money somehow. As a whole, yes, Penn State would remain standing. But I just simply can't agree that there would be no residual effects felt in the community if the football program had been shut down for four years.

P.S. for those who aren't aware, PSU won't receive its $13+ million share of the Big Ten Championship game income each year for the next four years.

[hockey doc]

Lets just stop all of this silly nonsense that the 'Holy NCAA' was acting in good faith. I will stake my life that Mark Emmert himself has never donated a single penny to any cause that helped abused children. He doesn't give a rat's ass about any child abused or otherwise in the state of Penn. He made an unprecedented political ruling to be a hero in his own mind and to vault himself up the ladder of importance. He did this completely on his own and without the sanction of the NCAA board of directors, a one man show.

As many posters here before me have pointed out that PS football is a money making machine, why stop them from generating massive amounts of $ that could be funnelled to agencies that help abused children. Take away all of the bowl money, the Big 10 money, TV money and PS football money(easily over $100 million per annum) received and simply give it to the needy charities. A win-win for all. No, ass clown Emmert vacated wins, (try buying food and clothing for children with that), limited scholarships, (try buying shelter for the children with that), eliminated TV money, bowl appearances (try buying anything with that) etc.

Emmert decided that the best way to go is to punish the innocent bystanders so he can(in his mind) look like the hero knight on the white horse while the majority of the guilty to this day have not (and possibly never) been punished. If I may speak for the needy agencies, thanks for nothing asswipe.

Please read these two articles:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169002...ust-dead-wrong

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ons/index.html

[flex_buff_chest]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

All kinds of business in the area. Restaurants, bars, and hotels. All the people who work in those places will be affected. All the little people who didn't rape little boys would be screwed.

This your attempt at humour?

You Americans should be cool with Collateral damage shouldn't you? Isn't that they price of getting rid of the bad guys?

People are not owed money that comes from football. Jesus. Maybe people will get the hint and think twice before they put football people on a pedestal or anyone for that matter.