Former Penn State Football Coach Jerry Sandusky Indicted On Sex Charges

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by Churla22

GET REAL? Are you fucking kidding me? How do YOU know he did absolutely nothing wrong? What do you even consider "wrong" here? His relative inaction/disregard isn't problematic to you?

What's wrong with people supporting him? You said in an earlier post "no one knows" the extent of Paterno's actions. If no one knows, why should they be out supporting him at this stage?

Also, let's not confuse legal complicity with moral complicity. IF, and that's only an IF, Joe Pa was made aware that Sandusky raped a 10 year old boy and the ONLY thing he did was report it to his "superior" without ever following up on the matter, while Sandusky continued to remain a presence on the campus, I don't see how you can argue against Paterno's moral complicity.

Assuming everything that has been reported thus far is true - the scenario I described above - would YOU have acted, or not acted, similarly to Paterno? If so, remind me not to send my kids to your football camp. Unfuckingbelievable.

Hopefully, Paterno's actions, or inactions, are exposed quickly. Assuming nothing new comes to light, Paterno should be out on his ass NOW, not later.

The truth will eventually come out.

[flyersvikes]

Originally Posted by Mike Tython

Meyer's daughter goes to my school in Florida and plays volleyball here. She's about 4'6" so I doubt she would've made Penn State's team.

He has another daughter that plays at Ga. Tech, her name is Nikki and she is 5'6", but there are all kinds of rumors going around so I am trying to keep that in mind. It is true that he purchased a house up there so who knows?

[Redtown]

Out on $100,000 bail? I guess I'm surprised by the lack of outrage of the increasing man on boy homosexual pedophila going on. The liberal media with a homosexual political correctness gone to far.

[Philly Fan 27]

Urban Meyer has been in and out of Happy Valley all season covering football

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by Redtown

The truth will eventually come out.

And it shall set us free.

[flyersvikes]

Originally Posted by Philly Fan 27

Urban Meyer has been in and out of Happy Valley all season covering football

Apparently the same rumors of house hunting were going around Ohio when all that stuff was going down so I guess We'll just have to wait and see, either way this is a Penn St. fans worsed nightmare which is nothing compared to the nightmares the true victems must be going through.

[thekidd21]

If that was Joe Pa's grandson being molested then Sandusky would have been arrested the next day.

Joe Pa cares more about the team then the poor victims

Joe Pa SHOULD lose his job

I have spoken

[dodge8954]

this is some sick sh1t. and its being handled like sh1t. Why does Joe have the choice to retire at the end of the season? Get rid of him now.

[pigfarmer]

I still don't understand how this stayed hidden for so long. Wasn't it like 15 years ago?

[Daaaa B's]

Joe Pa needs to go right now. Because of his inactions more young boys were molested by this sick ****. I can't believe he continued to associate with Sandusky and allowed to be around the team and use the school facilities.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by Daaaa B's

Joe Pa needs to go right now. Because of his inactions more young boys were molested by this sick ****. I can't believe he continued to associate with Sandusky and allowed to be around the team and use the school facilities.

Riiiiiight...... Because Joe Paterno owns all the athletic fields and departments. Not the actual University. What a clueless sack of sh!t you are.

Originally Posted by Redtown

There is something called the reasonable person standard. When that grad asst. told JoPa then JoPa had a responsibility to act as what a resonable person would do. (Obviously the grad asst is to be held to the same standard but you are talking about JoPa actions).

Step 1 for JoPa: A reasonable person would have told the grad asst to call the cops since thats what you do when you see a crime being committed.

Step 2 for JoPa: Either pull out the PSU manual which would tell him what the proper protocal would be according to Penn State or call his own lawyer to find out what he should do. If PSU manual said to call his supervisor and thats what JoPa did his ass is covered. I would think that PSU manual says, OR it should say, call the PSU legal department and report it!!!!

There really is no grey area here.

Originally Posted by Churla22

GET REAL? Are you fucking kidding me? How do YOU know he did absolutely nothing wrong? What do you even consider "wrong" here? His relative inaction/disregard isn't problematic to you?

What's wrong with people supporting him? You said in an earlier post "no one knows" the extent of Paterno's actions. If no one knows, why should they be out supporting him at this stage?

Also, let's not confuse legal complicity with moral complicity. IF, and that's only an IF, Joe Pa was made aware that Sandusky raped a 10 year old boy and the ONLY thing he did was report it to his "superior" without ever following up on the matter, while Sandusky continued to remain a presence on the campus, I don't see how you can argue against Paterno's moral complicity.

Assuming everything that has been reported thus far is true - the scenario I described above - would YOU have acted, or not acted, similarly to Paterno? If so, remind me not to send my kids to your football camp. Unfuckingbelievable.

Hopefully, Paterno's actions, or inactions, are exposed quickly. Assuming nothing new comes to light, Paterno should be out on his ass NOW, not later.

Did either of you actually read the Grand Jury report, available HERE?? Or are you just spouting off uneducated comments you read on Yahoo's blog posts (more than likely the case)?

I strongly advise the two of you to read the entire 23-page document before commenting on this issue again. Much like no one without a driver's license should be able to drive a school bus, no one who hasn't read the Grand Jury report should be allowed to hold any opinion on the matter, let alone speak it.

If 23 pages of large type font is too challenging of a task, at least read the story of "Victim 6," which starts on page 18 and ends on page 20. In 1998, the victim's mother contacted University Police on suspicion of inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and her 11-year old son. A University Police detective and a State College Police detective conducted an investigation that included a wiretapped conversation between Sandusky and the victim's mother, during which Sandusky admitted inappropriate sexual conduct, as well as a direct interview with Sandusky himself, during which Sandusky admitted the same thing. When the investigation concluded, the County District Attorney decided there would be no criminal charges pressed against Sandusky. In 1998, both the University and the DA knew about Sandusky, and they did nothing. Fast forward to Paterno informing the athletic department of the latest shower incident discovered by McQueary in 2002, the University was already aware of Sandusky's past lewd and lascivious behavior towards young boys in his Second Mile program. Paterno had several meetings after initially reporting it to Curley and Schultz. This is where details are sketchy because Curley and Schultz are lying scumbags who are either omitting details or twisting them to avoid admitting their own complicity. Read the report!! Joe Paterno did what he was supposed to do. He was also told the University would take care of it. Paterno had nothing to do with Sandusky during this time. Their only connection was having offices in the same building on campus.

[KOd]

This has got me wondering exactly why Sandusky resigned as defensive coordinator. Was it really the "official" version, that Paterno felt that Sandusky's work with the charity was interfering with his coaching duties? Or was he pushed out for some other reason?

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by KOd

This has got me wondering exactly why Sandusky resigned as defensive coordinator. Was it really the "official" version, that Paterno felt that Sandusky's work with the charity was interfering with his coaching duties? Or was he pushed out for some other reason?

Sandusky retired in 1999 after Paterno informed him that he would not be on the coaching staff the following season as Paterno felt it was time to make a coaching change. Paterno also told Sandusky that Sandusky would not be the next head coach of the Penn State football team. Probably only Paterno knows Paterno's rationale behind relieving Sandusky of his coaching duties. You can certainly make a case that Paterno did so because of the investigation on Sandusky, regardless of it concluded with no criminal charges. Only Joe knows though.

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

Riiiiiight...... Because Joe Paterno owns all the athletic fields and departments. Not the actual University. What a clueless sack of sh!t you are.



Did either of you actually read the Grand Jury report, available HERE?? Or are you just spouting off uneducated comments you read on Yahoo's blog posts (more than likely the case)?

I strongly advise the two of you to read the entire 23-page document before commenting on this issue again. Much like no one without a driver's license should be able to drive a school bus, no one who hasn't read the Grand Jury report should be allowed to hold any opinion on the matter, let alone speak it.

If 23 pages of large type font is too challenging of a task, at least read the story of "Victim 6," which starts on page 18 and ends on page 20. In 1998, the victim's mother contacted University Police on suspicion of inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and her 11-year old son. A University Police detective and a State College Police detective conducted an investigation that included a wiretapped conversation between Sandusky and the victim's mother, during which Sandusky admitted inappropriate sexual conduct, as well as a direct interview with Sandusky himself, during which Sandusky admitted the same thing. When the investigation concluded, the County District Attorney decided there would be no criminal charges pressed against Sandusky. In 1998, both the University and the DA knew about Sandusky, and they did nothing. Fast forward to Paterno informing the athletic department of the latest shower incident discovered by McQueary in 2002, the University was already aware of Sandusky's past lewd and lascivious behavior towards young boys in his Second Mile program. Paterno had several meetings after initially reporting it to Curley and Schultz. This is where details are sketchy because Curley and Schultz are lying scumbags who are either omitting details or twisting them to avoid admitting their own complicity. Read the report!! Joe Paterno did what he was supposed to do. He was also told the University would take care of it. Paterno had nothing to do with Sandusky during this time. Their only connection was having offices in the same building on campus.

My post stands as what he should of done. You asked a question, If the Penn State manual said to do something other than what he did than that falls on him. If he did what the manual said he should have done he's good and it falls on Penn St. IMO.

I think he should be able to finish the season then retire unless some evidence comes out that he was involved in some kind of cover up.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by Redtown

My post stands as what he should of done. You asked a question, If the Penn State manual said to do something other than what he did than that falls on him. If he did what the manual said he should have done he's good and it falls on Penn St. IMO.

I think he should be able to finish the season then retire unless some evidence comes out that he was involved in some kind of cover up.

Well then yes, it has already come out that Paterno followed protocol by informing the University athletic department of misconduct by a staff member. The University, in turn, was notified. From there, it is out of Paterno's hands. This is known as fact already.

The outcry is completely and irresponsibly being misdirected here. Paterno is obviously the biggest name, and because he is a revered legend and will be until the end of man, uninformed people are licking their chops to sh!t all over him.