Former Penn State Football Coach Jerry Sandusky Indicted On Sex Charges

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by flex_buff_chest

LOL I've made no friends here and I do not get Rubber Stamped thank you's.

You told me that rights were being taken away. I asked you what rights and you didn't respond.

Knuckler's right. You don't know how to read very well:

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

That's not the issue. In the U.S., people ARE entitled to adequate notice and a proper hearing before they lose rights or are deprived of benefits... at least that's the Constitutional theory.

End of discussion. Troll on without me.

[dodge8954]

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

No, I don't anticipate there will be any lawsuits. Not because the infringement of rights or benefits doesn't exist, but rather because the connection would probably be too indirect and abstract to prove. That doesn't mean the NCAA ruling isn't overbroad, abusive and unjust. Clearly it is.

"Off-base?" Nothing in the content of YOUR posts has demonstrated that.

I suspect if you had a son who was on his way to Penn State on a football scholarship prior to the NCAA announcing this ridiculous ruling, you'd be crying like a baby. Since it has no direct effect on you or yours, you've got no problem seeing many other innocent people being adversely affected by a ruling that shouldn't involve them. Glad to know you don't give a crap about innocent people being punished.

"No concept of reality"? I think that description more accurately describes a person who believes a non-living entity, like a school, can and should be punished for the personal crimes of a relatively few men who happen to be connected with that school. Uhhhm, that'd be you.

The bottom line is, you've talked a lot, but you've shown nothing other than that you don't think people should be individually accountable for their own criminal actions and that you don't care whether or not 13 years of administration, teachers and student body are unjustly punished for someone else's crimes. "Well, the punishment won't effect the innocent people THAT much, right?" Wonderful rationalization.

This ridiculous NCAA ruling is a travesty. It tramples on Blackstone's proverb: “Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.” I'd lay dollars to dimes you'd sing a different tune if you ever ended up having to abide the abusive ruling of a judge or an administrative body that has the same kaleidoscopic view of justice that you do.

any of the football players can transfer to another school without being punished

[Philly Fan 27]

Originally Posted by dodge8954

any of the football players can transfer to another school without being punished

for some reason people think this is punishment too

[dodge8954]

Originally Posted by Philly Fan 27

for some reason people think this is punishment too

i look at it as a blessing. when was the last time that program was even relevant?

[pigfarmer]

Originally Posted by dodge8954

i look at it as a blessing. when was the last time that program was even relevant?

How about that RB getting to transfer to running back U. Lucky SOB!

[Merlin401]

Originally Posted by Philly Fan 27

for some reason people think this is punishment too

I think if the NCAA didn't allow students to transfer freely from Penn State that it would be completely unconstitutional!

[theknuckler]

anyone who supports ncaa footballl supports hedonistic pedophiles. FACt

[jayc948]

Originally Posted by theknuckler

anyone who supports ncaa footballl supports hedonistic pedophiles. FACt

How so?

[JKidd]

A Penn State board of trustee member filed an appeal Monday afternoon with the NCAA over sanctions levied against the university after the Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse scandal.

Three other trustees joined the appeal, which states that the consent decree university president Rodney Erickson signed with the NCAA agreeing to the sanctions is "null and void" because Erickson "lacked the legal authority" to enter into such an agreement without the board's approval.

Trustees and a person with first-hand knowledge of the discussions said the move is a precursor to a federal lawsuit asking a judge to invalidate the sanctions, because trustees expect the NCAA to reject the appeal.

The appeal, sent to the NCAA from attorneys hired by Ryan J. McCombie, a retired Navy SEAL who joined the 32-member board in June, also challenges the NCAA on the following fronts:

• The NCAA did not give Penn State trustees and the university due process when it did not follow its usual investigation and enforcement procedures.

• The consent decree is fundamentally unfair because it relies on the Freeh report, which "contains findings and conclusions not that are contrary to the evidence presented ..."

• The sanctions are "excessive and unreasonable" because they inflict "permanent damage to an entire generation of student-athletes and coaches who were innocent of any wrongdoing during their time on campus ..."

Per ESPN

[jayc948]

My question is now this: The NCAA already went ahead and broke the mold with the way punishment was handed down to PSU, thus the biggest reasoning behind the appeal. There was already talk about the death penalty being the alternative option if the penalties weren't agreed to. Could that still be in play?

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by jayc948

My question is now this: The NCAA already went ahead and broke the mold with the way punishment was handed down to PSU, thus the biggest reasoning behind the appeal. There was already talk about the death penalty being the alternative option if the penalties weren't agreed to. Could that still be in play?

It's a hell of a question.

The last point is a moot one, as far as I'm concerned. All the penalties are in accordance with what the NCAA handbook says the NCAA can push against an institution (page 335 of the handbook).

The due process part is one that I'm having a hard time getting in the handbook. The only "due process" mention is that when it pertains to a coaching staff member:

18.4.2.1.1.2.2 Due-Process Requirement. The affected coaching staff member must be given through the appropriate institution notice of an opportunity to be heard at both the NCAA hearing resulting in the finding of involvement in the violation and the institutional hearing resulting in suspension or prohibition. (Revised: 7/30/10)

I'm not sure where they get that the institution as a whole gets a due process, but given how retarded they are with the "severe punishment" portion, it seems like they're just grasping at straws.

From what I've gathered, the NCAA, went about their business justly and by their handbook.

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by jkidd

Per ESPN

Way to keep this scandel in the front page headlines!

Thiis will be in the mind of people for decades and decades. Every mention of Penn State from their football program all the way down to saying you graduated on a resume to wearing a tshirt will remind people of what this homosexual pedophile did and how top people in the school looked the other way.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I thought he was refering to this tool.

How're you doing, brawl lover?

It's easy to call me names after the fact. Just because you ended up being right doesn't make it any more stupid to start lighting torches before the facts come out. I'm pretty sure I also echoed DYB FLYERS' sentiments about Paterno that I would gladly reconsider my stance on him once facts about the extent of his involvement were made public. Obviously, that time has come, and yes, anyone involved in covering Sandusky's ass is a scumbag. Joe Paterno was overall a great football coach and a great leader who could have used his power at Penn State to ensure justice was brought down properly. He didn't and his legacy takes a major blow because of it.

But again, crucifying people before the facts are known is stupid, and that's what a lot of you guys were doing in here last November. It's exactly like the vocal minority of Phillies fans who said the season was over in May. Just because it's looking like the Phils are going to miss the playoffs now doesn't make it any less stupid to have said such a thing 30 games into the season. Same concept. I think you get my point.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

How're you doing, brawl lover?

It's easy to call me names after the fact. Just because you ended up being right doesn't make it any more stupid to start lighting torches before the facts come out. I'm pretty sure I also echoed DYB FLYERS' sentiments about Paterno that I would gladly reconsider my stance on him once facts about the extent of his involvement were made public. Obviously, that time has come, and yes, anyone involved in covering Sandusky's ass is a scumbag. Joe Paterno was overall a great football coach and a great leader who could have used his power at Penn State to ensure justice was brought down properly. He didn't and his legacy takes a major blow because of it.

But again, crucifying people before the facts are known is stupid, and that's what a lot of you guys were doing in here last November. It's exactly like the vocal minority of Phillies fans who said the season was over in May. Just because it's looking like the Phils are going to miss the playoffs now doesn't make it any less stupid to have said such a thing 30 games into the season. Same concept. I think you get my point.

I have not seen anyone so good at mental gymnastics that they could call other people stupid after spending days sticking up for someone that allowed a child rapist to walk free for years after knowing that person was a child rapist. It was so obvious to anyone with a half a brain that Paterno could have done more but you go ahead and tell yourself that it is the other people that condemned him who are stupid. Just don't expect anybody to buy that garbage.

We were smart enough not to believe Paterno and his lies while you weren't, I doubt we will believe that you were the smart one here. All the facts are in on that one and they all point to you being unable to admit when you were wrong. People like that are the dumbest of all. You really hammered that home when you make an analogy between crucifying someone that covered up children being raped and giving up on a baseball team too soon.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

I have not seen anyone so good at mental gymnastics that they could call other people stupid after spending days sticking up for someone that allowed a child rapist to walk free for years after knowing that person was a child rapist. It was so obvious to anyone with a half a brain that Paterno could have done more but you go ahead and tell yourself that it is the other people that condemned him who are stupid. Just don't expect anybody to buy that garbage.

We were smart enough not to believe Paterno and his lies while you weren't, I doubt we will believe that you were the smart one here. All the facts are in on that one and they all point to you being unable to admit when you were wrong. People like that are the dumbest of all. You really hammered that home when you make an analogy between crucifying someone that covered up children being raped and giving up on a baseball team too soon.

Did you even read my entire post? Did you digest it before you responded? I admitted I was wrong. That's like the first point I made. But it's also pretty easy to point fingers at people who were wrong when all the facts finally come out. My stance in November was based on all the facts we knew at that point, which was basically that Paterno reported to the head of police what he heard and that Paterno was told it was being taken care of. Yeah ok, Paterno could have done more. Strangling Sandusky with his own hands is doing more. But that's not the point. The point is the court of public opinion was ready to jump the gun from every angle because they wanted so badly to see an idol fall. Well, now we know there was indeed a coverup, and Paterno was involved to at least some extent, so all you guys got your wish. I ended up being wrong when all the facts came out, and Paterno helped fukk things up at Penn State big time. His legacy is tainted and he deservedly got an unceremonious boot from the school.

And way to spin my analogy around to try to make it sound stupid. You obviously didn't understand it. I'm saying that jumping to brash conclusions before letting things develop is stupid. I'm not comparing raping children baseball. Where did you even come up with that?

Anyway, this is the last I'm saying on this topic, as the whole thing is full of negative energy and still seems surreal after nine months. Everyone who was involved and is still alive is going to get what he deserves.