2011-2012 NFL thread

[thepolishkid88]

Originally Posted by Machinehead2k5

TPK: Tomlin said Woodley and Legursky are in.

Well I hope Woodley can play to the level he was at prior to the injury because it is going to be a challenge for him. The altitude doesn't help either. Legursky has been average this year, there are better options at C and G than him.

Originally Posted by pigfarmer

Denver should put Quinn in and shoot all to hell your defensive game plan, haha. The way Tebow is playing I sure would.

Quinn would be a better play for multiple reasons. A) He isn't Tebow B) He knows this team well. Quinn had varied sucess again the Steelers D. I would actually be more afraid of the Broncos this week if he was the QB. Tebow just doesn't scare me. I can't wait til James Harrison just levels him.

[chilly666]

personally i hope harrison gives tebow a concussion and hopes that tebow forgets what football is so i never have to see him play again or hear about how he loves god and it makes him a great football player which he IS NOT!!!!

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Churla22

I think it’s inarguable that Brees plays better at home, in the dome, on the turf, but it’s not like he’s a schlub elsewhere; he has actually averaged more passing yards on the road than at home this season (356.2 to 328), and his passer rating splits are as follows:

Away – 100.7
Outdoors – 96.4
Grass – 95.7

All of which would have placed him no worse than 6th in the league in that category.

Brees has the 6th ranked running game with him averging 4.9 yards a carry. Brady has the 20th ranked running game averging 4.0 yards a carry.
Rodgers has the 27th ranked running game averging 3.9 yards a carry.
Manning has the 32st ranked running game averging 3.5 yards a carry.

WOW what an advantage for Brees!

None of these guys are surrounded with a great defense but even here Brees has the advantage!
His is 24th ranked and allow 21 points/game.
Brady and Rodgers are ranked 31st and 32nd both averging around 22 points/game.
Manning's is ranked 27th but allows 25 points/game!
Poor Manning has the worst running game by far and allows 25 points/game.

Brees has had it made this year compared with everyone else in the Dome and with a great running game and defense that makes turnovers.
Manning is screwed and is the Giants but Brees has to be ahead of him because of the records. He shouldn't be ahead of Rodgers and Brady!
The other 3 guys also play in cold stadiums with wind and Brees is in short sleeves!

[Churla22]

I don't believe Eli is, or should be, in the conversation, so we can probably dispense with discussing him further. As to the other three, while all have worthy records and tremendous supporting casts (at least on their side of the ball), the majority of advanced metrics rank them Rodgers, then Brees, then Brady. I concur.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Churla22

I don't believe Eli is, or should be, in the conversation, so we can probably dispense with discussing him further. As to the other three, while all have worthy records and tremendous supporting casts (at least on their side of the ball), the majority of advanced metrics rank them Rodgers, then Brees, then Brady. I concur.

The Giants maybe win 2 games this year with Carr at QB. Manning set the all-time record of throwing 15 tds in the 4th quarter this year and has everything going against him.
Sh*t running game.
Sh*t defense.
Sh*t special teams
Poor offensive line
Receivers that lead the league in dropped passes.
We finally saw a game this Sunday against Dallas where the goddamn receivers caught the ball and Manning was 24-33 or 73% passing for 346 yards with 3 tds and no picks.
He had only one receiver healthy all year and that was Cruz and he still threw for 308 yards a game. He had at least 7 sure tds dropped this year that would of given him 36 and he lost an easy 300-400 yards in dropped passes that would of given him around 5400 yards.
Just in one game alone against Washington, Nicks dropped 5 passes and 3 sure touchdowns, one a 54 yarder. Manningham dropped sure td's against the 49ers, Seahawks, Cowboys with the 49er pass and Cowboy pass being around 40 yards. Jake Ballard for some reason was solid as a rookie TE except for 2 games where he dropped 5 passes with 3 being over 25 yard plays.
Eli was screwed so much and where was the running game? 80 yards running a game for a 3.5 average. How many times on Sunday did he start inside the 10 yard line because his punt returner is an idiot?
The Giants would of been 2-14 without him this year!

[PotvinSucks]

You clowns still taking Philip Rivers over Eli Manning?

[chilly666]

yeah i would still

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by PotvinSucks

You clowns still taking Philip Rivers over Eli Manning?

Actually, yeah.

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by bigjack

The Giants maybe win 2 games this year with Carr at QB. Manning set the all-time record of throwing 15 tds in the 4th quarter this year and has everything going against him.
Sh*t running game.
Sh*t defense.
Sh*t special teams
Poor offensive line
Receivers that lead the league in dropped passes.
We finally saw a game this Sunday against Dallas where the goddamn receivers caught the ball and Manning was 24-33 or 73% passing for 346 yards with 3 tds and no picks.
He had only one receiver healthy all year and that was Cruz and he still threw for 308 yards a game. He had at least 7 sure tds dropped this year that would of given him 36 and he lost an easy 300-400 yards in dropped passes that would of given him around 5400 yards.
Just in one game alone against Washington, Nicks dropped 5 passes and 3 sure touchdowns, one a 54 yarder. Manningham dropped sure td's against the 49ers, Seahawks, Cowboys with the 49er pass and Cowboy pass being around 40 yards. Jake Ballard for some reason was solid as a rookie TE except for 2 games where he dropped 5 passes with 3 being over 25 yard plays.
Eli was screwed so much and where was the running game? 80 yards running a game for a 3.5 average. How many times on Sunday did he start inside the 10 yard line because his punt returner is an idiot?
The Giants would of been 2-14 without him this year!

You realize that Eli has had his best statistical seasons ('09 and '11) when the Giants' rushing offense (17th and 32nd, respectively) and total defense were at their worst (30th and 25th, respectively).

Meanwhile, the years he has been statistically below average - '04 through '07 - his rushing offenses ranked 11th, 6th, 6th, and 4th.

[thepolishkid88]

Originally Posted by PotvinSucks

You clowns still taking Philip Rivers over Eli Manning?

I would take Eli. Truth is I was happy we got Ben, instead of Rivers or Manning.

Manning 1 Rivers 0........Ben 2

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by thepolishkid88

I would take Eli. Truth is I was happy we got Ben, instead of Rivers or Manning.

Manning 1 Rivers 0........Ben 2

I know all about the rule of "scoreboard", but Ben is still the only Super Bowl winning QB whose passer rating was lower than his age (and he was 23).

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Churla22

You realize that Eli has had his best statistical seasons ('09 and '11) when the Giants' rushing offense (17th and 32nd, respectively) and total defense were at their worst (30th and 25th, respectively).

Meanwhile, the years he has been statistically below average - '04 through '07 - his rushing offenses ranked 11th, 6th, 6th, and 4th.

I know and have studied all of his numbers. First of all in 2004-07, he was still young and learning and not the accurate passer that he is now and he gained tremendous confidence from the 2007 playoff run and SB MVP.
He actually had a hell of a 2010 except for 10 interceptions that were the receivers fault where they should of caught the ball and didn't and the deflection was picked off. In 2010, he should of had 31 tds and 15 picks instead of 25 picks. They did a study of his picks after last year and said that 10 were not his fault at all.
From 2008-2011, he's a 62% passer even with all the drops and has 108 tds and 61 picks with 3 seasons over 4,000 yards and 16,194 yards overall. He is averging 7.7 yards an attempt the last 4 seasons He also isn't a dinker passer and is throwing the ball deep and had the most plays over 40 yards this year with 18. I actually get pissed at Coughlin and Gilbride for all the deep throws and always ask where are the goddamn screen passes and passes to the backs. Look at Sunday, he had two short safe throws on 3rd down and one resulted in a 74 yard play by Cruz and the other was a 8 yard Bradshaw TD catch! I was like it's about goddamn time.
If I'm the Giants, I'd bring Tomlinson over from the Jets next season strickly for 3rd down like Parcells used to do with Tony Galbreith and later David Meggett. The Cowboys used to use Preston Pearson all the time on 3rd down. I cannot fathom why Coughlin and Gilbride do not have a great 3rd down back to catch screens and short passes that pick up first downs and move the damn chains. Bradshaw's hands have improved but Ware and goddamn Jacobs have hands of stone!

So from 2008-2011:

What is wrong with 62%, 108 touchdowns, 7.7 yards/attempt and 16, 174 yards?

The record is 39-25 for a 61% winning percentage even with a sh*t defense and special teams except for 2008 where the defense allowed under 300 points. Why are the Giants that successful without a defense? Because Eli is a master in the two minute drill and clutch! I still have no clue why Coughlin doesn't use the no huddle offense. Eli is so great in the no huddle!

Eli has had a defense for one season-2008 and the Giants were 11-1 when that as*hole Burress shot himself and the team went wacky and self destructive. Their running game that year was great and they were only throwing 30 passes a game and had a nice balance of run and pass!
Now the Giants are Air Coughlin for chrissakes and resemble the Fouts Chargers that scored alot and gave up more.

The Giants scored 394 points this year and allowed 400 points. That sucks!

Give Eli Big Ben's defense and he'd be winning 13 games every season.

I have never missed an Eli game and know all about what he means to the Giants. I think if Coughlin could build a defense and improve the special teams and use a 3rd down back and screen passes and planned throws to the back and a no huddle offense, Eli would be off the charts!
I don't like Sean Payton because he runs up scores and isn't respectful but him and Eli would be awesome together!

My old man and I always disagree about Coughlin. He loves the guy and I get pis*ed and ask where is the goddamn defense, where is the goddamn special teams, and where are the screen passes and throws to the backs to move the chains. And why the hell is Coughlin stubborn and won't go to a no-huddle offense?
Coughlin's record is 74-54 with the Giants over 8 years plus 4-3 in the playoffs thanks more to Eli and less to Coughlin. They have only had one losing season in 2004 when Eli took over for Warner and was a disaster as a rookie going 1-6 after Warner was 5-4.
So since 2005, the Giants are 68-44 for a 61% but in my opinion should of been better.
I would of fired Coughlin around 5 times now but he's still here. They are wasting Eli's talents because of the things that I have mentioned. No defense, sh*t special teams, no 3rd down back, no screen plays, no planned throws to the backs, and why not a no-huddle offense?
It really pis*es me off.

[Churla22]

First (and Second) Team All-Pro Teamers?

QB Rodgers (Brees)
RB Rice (MJD)
RB McCoy (Foster)
WR C. Johnson (Cruz)
WR Welker (S. Smith)
TE Gronkowski (Graham)
K Akers (Janikowski)
P Lee (Lechler)
KR McKnight (Cobb)
PR Peterson (Hester)

[BrianTheAdsFan]

Originally Posted by Isles4life

Obviously with all the yards and points both Green Bay and Detroit put up, defense wasn't the strongpoint of either team in that game. But still, Flynn had a record-setting day as you yourself pointed out. To me, that just proves that Rodgers isn't the end-all and be-all of the Packers to the same extent as some other players. Most valuable player should be the guy his team can least afford to lose. We saw Green Bay do quite well without Rodgers, I'd say that detracts from his candidacy for the award.

Rodgers is 21 of his last 22 and has a Superbowl to his credit during that period up to now. How all of that can be discounted by one game against a porous Lions defense is rediclous.

[Isles4life]

Originally Posted by BrianTheAdsFan

Rodgers is 21 of his last 22 and has a Superbowl to his credit during that period up to now. How all of that can be discounted by one game against a porous Lions defense is rediclous.

It's not discounted, but in a season with so many guys had unbelievable years, I'm not really sure he was the one who was most valuable/indispensable to his team. Hell, Peyton Manning should win the MVP, but he's not eligible having not played a game.