A-Rod: Deer caught in the Motown Headlights

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by Kocur 26

Come on now? I know the Yankees have a lot of bandwagon fans, hell I have some in my family, but I am tired of hearing that the Yankee fan is the only fan that does this. It happens in all sports no matter what team is winning with the exceptions of teams like the Packers who would sell out no matter what.

The Mets have a ton of fans hopping on the bandwagon as well. I was out the other day and I saw more Mets paraphenalia than I have ever seen before. I am sure the same thing is happening in Detroit with the Tigers. Think about 2003 when the Marlin won the Series...that place was jamming. It is a ghost town now.

I just do not think it is fair to call all Yankee fans fair weather or bandwagon jumpers as if they are the only "fans" to do so.

Read my post prior to the one you quoted me on. Yes all have bandwagon fans but the yanks overwhelmingly dominate that dept.

[CairnsisGod]

Originally Posted by Kocur 26

The Mets have a ton of fans hopping on the bandwagon as well. I was out the other day and I saw more Mets paraphenalia than I have ever seen before. I am sure the same thing is happening in Detroit with the Tigers. Think about 2003 when the Marlin won the Series...that place was jamming. It is a ghost town now.

I couldn't agree more. All of a sudden everybody is a Met fan. You know its gonna get worse now.

[Kocur 26]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Read my post prior to the one you quoted me on. Yes all have bandwagon fans but the yanks overwhelmingly dominate that dept.

I did read your quote before and I respectfully disagree. I do not live in NY anymore so perhaps I am not talking from the best perspective but I will say this. I was in NY in 1986 and the Met's Bandwagon sickened me back then. I was a senior in high school back then and had a job in a restaurant. All I recall from that were all these people, including family members who are now Yankee fans, walking around in their Mets memorabilia acting like they were fans back in the Joel Youngblood, Craig Swan days. These are the same people who now call themselves Yankee fans but do not know guys like Dan Pasqua, Andy Hawkins, Sam Militello, Kevin Maas or Wayne Tolleson. I also remember the girls who were "Mets fans" wearing the ridiculous outfits that female "fans" wear just like the pathetic pink jerseys and hats female Yankees fans wear now. I went to the parade, only because it was a "cut day" at school and remember all the people that were all of a sudden Mets fans that wanted no part of that team when they sucked back during the aformentioned Youngblood, Swan, Zachry, and Boisclair days.

I also remember when the Cowboys became a "dynasty" again how all of a sudden everyone in the NY/NJ area were "lifelong" Cowboy's fans with their Aikman and Emmitt Smith jerseys. None of them could tell you who Danny White was and some even struggled with Roger Staubach.

Maybe it just seems that way because you live in NY and you obviously despise the Yankees. I have no problem with people hating the Yankees, in fact I totally understand it. As a matter of fact, I am not too fond of most of their personnel as it is and I was pretty much opposed to a lot of the moves they have made.

When I look at this thread and all of the other anti-Yankees threads on here, it seems to me that there are way more Yankee haters on here than Yankee fans. It would seem to me that if the world was being overrun by all these fair weather Yankee fans that exist out there, that there would be more people posting in support of the team than against it. While the NY media, (namely WFAN and the YES network), certainly focus a lot of attention on the Yankees, it seems the national media puts a lot of focus on hating the Yankees and promoting the "Evil Empire" status. Perhaps this Yankee bandwagon is a combination of the intense hatred anti-Yankee fans have for the team as well as the media writing a seemingly endless amount of stories about their most recent collapse that really isn't as bad as it is made out to be here. Either way, I understand where the hatred is coming from, but as far as their bandwagon goes, they are no different than any other team out there IMO.

[JAVALITE]

Hey guys, how about A-rod for Vernon Wells. The sports station up here was talking about it yesterday. I'm starting to think the Jays won't be able to sign Wells. A-rod has 4 years left on his contract, plus he could play short here. What do you guys think?

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by JAVALITE

Hey guys, how about A-rod for Vernon Wells. The sports station up here was talking about it yesterday. I'm starting to think the Jays won't be able to sign Wells. A-rod has 4 years left on his contract, plus he could play short here. What do you guys think?

can Vernon play 3rd? The Yankee outfield is pretty crowded right now.

[JAVALITE]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

can Vernon play 3rd? The Yankee outfield is pretty crowded right now.

Wells has always been our CF. Troy Glaus is our 3rd baseman. Glaus for A-rod????????

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Kocur 26

I did read your quote before and I respectfully disagree. I do not live in NY anymore so perhaps I am not talking from the best perspective but I will say this. I was in NY in 1986 and the Met's Bandwagon sickened me back then. I was a senior in high school back then and had a job in a restaurant. All I recall from that were all these people, including family members who are now Yankee fans, walking around in their Mets memorabilia acting like they were fans back in the Joel Youngblood, Craig Swan days. These are the same people who now call themselves Yankee fans but do not know guys like Dan Pasqua, Andy Hawkins, Sam Militello, Kevin Maas or Wayne Tolleson. I also remember the girls who were "Mets fans" wearing the ridiculous outfits that female "fans" wear just like the pathetic pink jerseys and hats female Yankees fans wear now. I went to the parade, only because it was a "cut day" at school and remember all the people that were all of a sudden Mets fans that wanted no part of that team when they sucked back during the aformentioned Youngblood, Swan, Zachry, and Boisclair days.

I also remember when the Cowboys became a "dynasty" again how all of a sudden everyone in the NY/NJ area were "lifelong" Cowboy's fans with their Aikman and Emmitt Smith jerseys. None of them could tell you who Danny White was and some even struggled with Roger Staubach.

Maybe it just seems that way because you live in NY and you obviously despise the Yankees. I have no problem with people hating the Yankees, in fact I totally understand it. As a matter of fact, I am not too fond of most of their personnel as it is and I was pretty much opposed to a lot of the moves they have made.

When I look at this thread and all of the other anti-Yankees threads on here, it seems to me that there are way more Yankee haters on here than Yankee fans. It would seem to me that if the world was being overrun by all these fair weather Yankee fans that exist out there, that there would be more people posting in support of the team than against it. While the NY media, (namely WFAN and the YES network), certainly focus a lot of attention on the Yankees, it seems the national media puts a lot of focus on hating the Yankees and promoting the "Evil Empire" status. Perhaps this Yankee bandwagon is a combination of the intense hatred anti-Yankee fans have for the team as well as the media writing a seemingly endless amount of stories about their most recent collapse that really isn't as bad as it is made out to be here. Either way, I understand where the hatred is coming from, but as far as their bandwagon goes, they are no different than any other team out there IMO.

Not a big deal but I actually see the Cowboy bandwagon really intensifying after the 1977 season and 1978 Cowboy/Broncos Super Bowl. After that season they became "America's Team" and Jerry Jones just tried to make it stronger when he bought the franchise!
Regarding the Mets, a core of Mets fans has always outdrew the Yankees going back to 1962. That was many of the old Brooklyn Dodger fans who went with the Mets in 1962. If everyone remembers the Yankees were dominate in those years and yet their attendance sucked. Take the last game of 1961 when Maris was going for his 61st homer and the ballpark was empty. The Yankee core was never like the old Dodger core of fans and some followed the LA Dodgers after 1957 but many like my old man became Mets fans in 1962 and for 7 seasons the Mets sucked until 1969 and yet they drew great in those years. The Yankees even when they were great in the 1960's didn't draw well. The three times when the Mets fans stayed away was more from ownership being a joke and making them angry. After Grant got rid of Seaver and wouldn't spend any money really pissed us off in the late 1970's and early 1980's. New ownership hired Cashen who built a good ballclub and the fans returned. Cashen retired and they became clueless spending foolishly and sucked for about 5 years until they brought in Piazza and the buzz was back. The third time was the few Art Howe years that were godawful. The core of Mets fans and their families going back to 1962 still exist and always will!

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Kingdog819

i use to live in new york, and its always yankees first mets second, its sad but true

I guess you didn't live in NY between 1962 and 1974. The Mets owned the city and ownership took the Met fan for granted and made tons of money and were cheap and wouldn't spend to get some bats to help the great pitching and also let Seaver go in 1977 which was the end as far as the core of Mets fans in those days. The Yankees were never number 1 in those 13 seasons. That is a false statement and the Yankees had more success in those years overall if you go year by year. The Met fans were king between 1962 and 1974. Steinbrenner knew this when he bought the club from CBS in 1973 and went about changing the Yankees image! I blame M Donald Grant that cheap bastid for ruining the Mets after 1969. Whitey Herzog was a genius and responsible for the Mets farmsystem and when Gil Hodges passed away should of been the next manager in 1972. He left the organization pissed off and then the great scout Red Murff left in a huff and he was a pitchers genius. I could go on and on with the fuc*ups made by Grant. How many here know that in 1969 the Braves offered Joe Torre, yes the same Joe Torre to the Mets and that cheap bastid Grant wouldn't pull the trigger and he went to the Cardinals where he only drove in 101, 100, and 137 runs in 1969-71 and hit .289, .325, and .363 as a Cardinal. M Donald Grant, what a dick and wouldn't a younger in his prime Joe Torre have looked great in the middle of the Mets lineup! In 1971 Seaver pitched to a 1.76 era and lost 10 games because of an impotent offense and it was always the same with the Mets. Cheap bastids and making a massive profit and then they won't pay Seaver what he was worth and traded him for sh*t in 1977 and the fans rebelled and I don't blame them in the least!

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by Kocur 26

I did read your quote before and I respectfully disagree. I do not live in NY anymore so perhaps I am not talking from the best perspective but I will say this. I was in NY in 1986 and the Met's Bandwagon sickened me back then. I was a senior in high school back then and had a job in a restaurant. All I recall from that were all these people, including family members who are now Yankee fans, walking around in their Mets memorabilia acting like they were fans back in the Joel Youngblood, Craig Swan days. These are the same people who now call themselves Yankee fans but do not know guys like Dan Pasqua, Andy Hawkins, Sam Militello, Kevin Maas or Wayne Tolleson. I also remember the girls who were "Mets fans" wearing the ridiculous outfits that female "fans" wear just like the pathetic pink jerseys and hats female Yankees fans wear now. I went to the parade, only because it was a "cut day" at school and remember all the people that were all of a sudden Mets fans that wanted no part of that team when they sucked back during the aformentioned Youngblood, Swan, Zachry, and Boisclair days.

I also remember when the Cowboys became a "dynasty" again how all of a sudden everyone in the NY/NJ area were "lifelong" Cowboy's fans with their Aikman and Emmitt Smith jerseys. None of them could tell you who Danny White was and some even struggled with Roger Staubach.

Maybe it just seems that way because you live in NY and you obviously despise the Yankees. I have no problem with people hating the Yankees, in fact I totally understand it. As a matter of fact, I am not too fond of most of their personnel as it is and I was pretty much opposed to a lot of the moves they have made.

When I look at this thread and all of the other anti-Yankees threads on here, it seems to me that there are way more Yankee haters on here than Yankee fans. It would seem to me that if the world was being overrun by all these fair weather Yankee fans that exist out there, that there would be more people posting in support of the team than against it. While the NY media, (namely WFAN and the YES network), certainly focus a lot of attention on the Yankees, it seems the national media puts a lot of focus on hating the Yankees and promoting the "Evil Empire" status. Perhaps this Yankee bandwagon is a combination of the intense hatred anti-Yankee fans have for the team as well as the media writing a seemingly endless amount of stories about their most recent collapse that really isn't as bad as it is made out to be here. Either way, I understand where the hatred is coming from, but as far as their bandwagon goes, they are no different than any other team out there IMO.

Look at every celebrity who made it cool to like the Yanks. Jay-z always dons a Yankee cap. Fred Durst made wearing a red yankee cap cool. Maybe its fashion or whatever but my point is this. Yes there are a lot more yankee haters than yankee fans on this site but you have to be careful with that term because us yankee haters don't necessarily hate the team but hate their fans instead. It just stems from yankee fans seeming to know nothing about anything in baseball not wearing pinstripes. As Bigjak was eluding to, the Mets have a core of fans that will always be there. They were there when the Mets sucked and they were there when the Mets were awesome. Yankee fans disappear once their team starts to stink.

[JPanas2]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Look at every celebrity who made it cool to like the Yanks. Jay-z always dons a Yankee cap. Fred Durst made wearing a red yankee cap cool. Maybe its fashion or whatever but my point is this. Yes there are a lot more yankee haters than yankee fans on this site but you have to be careful with that term because us yankee haters don't necessarily hate the team but hate their fans instead. It just stems from yankee fans seeming to know nothing about anything in baseball not wearing pinstripes. As Bigjak was eluding to, the Mets have a core of fans that will always be there. They were there when the Mets sucked and they were there when the Mets were awesome. Yankee fans disappear once their team starts to stink.

see this is where i have to disagree. i understand what you guys are saying but there is absolutely no possible way for you to know that. you guys are just saying that as mets fans. i could say the same thing about the mets. it's a dumb argument. there is no way to prove it either way. same with your "baseball knowledge" argument. that's just as impossible to prove. i've never even heard a mets fan say that before. the truth is, every team has fair weather fans, and every team has a core of real fans. there is no way to know who's team has the biggest core of real fans. it's dumb to even argue about it. and if there is, i'd like you to tell me what it is. i'm not trying to be a d!ck but it's true.

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by JPanas2

see this is where i have to disagree. i understand what you guys are saying but there is absolutely no possible way for you to know that. you guys are just saying that as mets fans. i could say the same thing about the mets. it's a dumb argument. there is no way to prove it either way. same with your "baseball knowledge" argument. that's just as impossible to prove. i've never even heard a mets fan say that before. the truth is, every team has fair weather fans, and every team has a core of real fans. there is no way to know who's team has the biggest core of real fans. it's dumb to even argue about it. and if there is, i'd like you to tell me what it is. i'm not trying to be a d!ck but it's true.

I agree. There is no true way of knowing about where the biggest core of fans lie but I am not concerned with every other team. Being a Mets fan, there is something about being a mets fan that cannot be written or explained. Its this feeling you get by following them every year. I still love the Mets just as much last year as I did this year. Look at our history, sure we have our great moments like in 69 and 86 but what else do we have? Being a Mets fan is hard on the mind and soul. Its not easy. Look at the yanks of the last 10 years. Look at the frequency of seeing yankee gear being worn by people. Their fan base all of the sudden grew out of control. Look at the Mets, as good as we can be or could be, I really don't think you will have people coming out of the woodworks proudly showing their Met pride.

[canuck2]

Send A-Rod to the Royals. He will thrive there for obvious reasons.

[Predatorhitz33]

Originally Posted by canuck2

Send A-Rod to the Royals. He will thrive there for obvious reasons.

Yep.

[Kocur 26]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Look at every celebrity who made it cool to like the Yanks. Jay-z always dons a Yankee cap. Fred Durst made wearing a red yankee cap cool. Maybe its fashion or whatever but my point is this. Yes there are a lot more yankee haters than yankee fans on this site but you have to be careful with that term because us yankee haters don't necessarily hate the team but hate their fans instead. It just stems from yankee fans seeming to know nothing about anything in baseball not wearing pinstripes. As Bigjak was eluding to, the Mets have a core of fans that will always be there. They were there when the Mets sucked and they were there when the Mets were awesome. Yankee fans disappear once their team starts to stink.

Was that Jerry Seinfeld and Matthew Broderick in the stands cheering the Mets on tonight? They are celebritys, right?

I interpret your post as this: If it is the fans that you hate, and I am assuming if it is because all Yankees' fans seem to know about is the guys in pinstripes, then it is the arrogance you hate, right? Well if that is the case then what your post implies is that Met's fans are "true blue" and all Yankees' fans are fair weather. That implication is in and of itself arrogant. Whether you would ever admit it or not, there are hard core Yankee fans out there just as well as any other team that exists. I listened to Beningo (sp?) today and you would think the Mets lost already. One guy calling up and killing Minaya plus many others with their doom and gloom. Funny, when Yankee fans do it they are unappreciative crybabys but when Mets' fans do it, it is because they are knowledgeable?
Listen, I have nothing against you but after reading your posts, you are just as guilty as any other "arrogant" Yankee fan that you claim to hate.

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by Kocur 26

I listened to Beningo (sp?) today and you would think the Mets lost already. One guy calling up and killing Minaya plus many others with their doom and gloom. Funny, when Yankee fans do it they are unappreciative crybabys but when Mets' fans do it, it is because they are knowledgeable?

To give a little equal time.....
I listened to Francesca last night and several Yankee fans called to pour cold water on what the Mets have done this year. To Francesca's credit he put them in their place.

It's definately a two way street.
I just don't understand why Yankee fans feel as if they are so special. Sure, your team won a lot of championships, but it doesn't make you a better fan.
That's basically what galls everyone about the Yankee fan.