The Phillies Are Clueless!

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Boy there must be some doozie phone calls on WIP this season! The NL east is a tough division and it's early yet. The Phillies have a tough lineup and just need to get their pitching straightened out! If they get everybody healthy and pitch better they could still pass the Mets and Nationals and the Braves and Marlins are in front due to their pitching!
Every year I hear about Abreu getting knocked in Philadelphia and all he does is hit .300 and score and drive in 100 runs and walk 100 times so anytime you don't want him, I'll take him in right for the Mets! He must do something right to be so consisitent every year!

Get their pitching straightened out? Besides their ballpen and every other ballpen in the Majors being horrible, their starting pitching for the most part has been decent. This team is great on Paper, but thats it. They are so flawed, starting with no lead off man. They can't play small ball. They live and die with the long ball. This team is not the Oakland A's of old, they can't win like that.

The problem with Bobby A. besides his aweful fielding which I can look over is his hollow stats. The guy has some incrediable numbers year in and year out, but if you watch or follow the team, they are hollow numbers. They don't mean sh*t if you can't do it when the heat is on.

This team can not play with any pressure on, thats why they won't make the post season. Last year 86 wins is a lie. They got many wins at the end when they were already out of the hunt. Flawed Flawed Flawed.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

Get their pitching straightened out? Besides their ballpen and every other ballpen in the Majors being horrible, their starting pitching for the most part has been decent. This team is great on Paper, but thats it. They are so flawed, starting with no lead off man. They can't play small ball. They live and die with the long ball. This team is not the Oakland A's of old, they can't win like that.

The problem with Bobby A. besides his aweful fielding which I can look over is his hollow stats. The guy has some incrediable numbers year in and year out, but if you watch or follow the team, they are hollow numbers. They don't mean sh*t if you can't do it when the heat is on.

This team can not play with any pressure on, thats why they won't make the post season. Last year 86 wins is a lie. They got many wins at the end when they were already out of the hunt. Flawed Flawed Flawed.

Abreu has 9 homers in his last 10 games so he must be doing something right.
For years I'd hear Philly fans knock the piss out of Mike Schmidt, he strikes out too much, he doesn't hit in the clutch, he's too streaky bla bla bla and there was no appreciation for Schmidt and it sounds like that for Abreu now also!
My Brother in law's family go back to the Baker Bowl and Chuck Klein as Phillies fans and his grandmother was telling me how they would knock Del Ennis, Curt Simmons or Richie Allen and Johnny Callison and then Schmidt and Lusinski and now Abreu!
Their pitching hasn't been good. Look at the runs they have allowed vs Florida or Atlanta. I watch my Mets and it's the same thing! You can't allow over 4 runs a game and expect to be a consistent winner!
Take away Lieber, Myers, and Wagner and that Foltz guy has been decent and where is the good pitching and especially starting pitching! Wolf, Padilla, and Lidle haven't pitched well and where is this stud Floyd who is suppossed to be so good!
Any time you don't want Abreu, many teams will take him.

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Abreu has 9 homers in his last 10 games so he must be doing something right.
For years I'd hear Philly fans knock the piss out of Mike Schmidt, he strikes out too much, he doesn't hit in the clutch, he's too streaky bla bla bla and there was no appreciation for Schmidt and it sounds like that for Abreu now also!
My Brother in law's family go back to the Baker Bowl and Chuck Klein as Phillies fans and his grandmother was telling me how they would knock Del Ennis, Curt Simmons or Richie Allen and Johnny Callison and then Schmidt and Lusinski and now Abreu!
Their pitching hasn't been good. Look at the runs they have allowed vs Florida or Atlanta. I watch my Mets and it's the same thing! You can't allow over 4 runs a game and expect to be a consistent winner!
Take away Lieber, Myers, and Wagner and that Foltz guy has been decent and where is the good pitching and especially starting pitching! Wolf, Padilla, and Lidle haven't pitched well and where is this stud Floyd who is suppossed to be so good!
Any time you don't want Abreu, many teams will take him.

Lidle has pitched decent. Fans generally did not knock Schmidt for his playing ability, but more for his personality.

Back to Bobby A. Have you watched him day in and day out. I am not questioning his offense ability, its great, but he is AWEFUL and I mean AWEFUL in the field. His numbers are great, but give me some games that his numbers helped the Phillies win.

THE PERFECT EXAMPLE TONIGHT 5/18. Bobby A. continues his hot streak with another 3 run blast. Good for him. Move forward to the 9th inning. bases loaded Phillies down by 4, he steps to the plate and what does he do. STrikes out.

I don't want to knock the guy, he is what he is. All you see is his numbers, a Philly Fan sees him.

We'll knock anyone who doesn't perform, but when they do perform we'll embrace them like they never seen. Ask the 74-75 Flyers, ask the 80' Phillies. Ask how their were 3 million fans on Broad Street. Then ask why the phillies have one just one championship in 100 years. Ask why we haven't been to a post season in 12 years. Ask why we have a the 4th highest payroll and are in last place. Ask why they have the worst overall record of any franchise in any sport in the history of modern sports?

Understand that the fans are pissed because Bowa was an excuse. then it was an excuse made worse by passing on Jim Leyland to pick Manuel. Hell, Fergosi would have been a better choice, even though he is a jackas* at times.

Its everyone's fault except the players and GM.

I can go on and on....

But unless you are a Philly Fan you will never truly understand. We pay their salaries.. we have the right to vent.

Kenny Lofton says the fans need to be more supportive....3.3 Million fans came to the ball park last year. 3.3 million would come again if you would sacrifice your body like Jim Edmonds did tonight. Comments like "I'm not running into the wall, I am not stupid." will indeed get you run out of town.

Charlie Manuel telling the fans they need to study up on the game, when this guy can not even do a double switch. Oh, wait when he finally does one, he forgets to take the ball off of Madson and give it to Wagner. He's not stupid, he is just not a manager.

No comment on Jimmy Rollins....

You can talk to your familys 3rd brothers cousins sister in law. It doesn't matter, like I said you have to be here day in and day out to understand it.

[fridge29]

Flyers2001 is absolutely dead on in his view of Abreu. The knock on the guy is he's lazy in the field and when the pressure is on he can't come through. The other night a routine single turned into a double because the runner knew Abreu was waiting for the ball to come to him. These things drive us crazy. When the Phils were in a pennant race 2 years ago with Florida Bobby went into his slump.

Don't get me started with Charlie. He should be unemployed with Ed Wade.

Lofton? Why? He was a good move 7 years ago. I'd rather see Michaels or one of the young outfielders from AAA in there.

I use to go to about 25-30 games a year, I WILL NOT go back to that park until they make changes.

Also, its not smart to put the fans down when your in last place boys.

[Travis24]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Abreu has 9 homers in his last 10 games so he must be doing something right.
For years I'd hear Philly fans knock the piss out of Mike Schmidt, he strikes out too much, he doesn't hit in the clutch, he's too streaky bla bla bla and there was no appreciation for Schmidt and it sounds like that for Abreu now also!
My Brother in law's family go back to the Baker Bowl and Chuck Klein as Phillies fans and his grandmother was telling me how they would knock Del Ennis, Curt Simmons or Richie Allen and Johnny Callison and then Schmidt and Lusinski and now Abreu!
Their pitching hasn't been good. Look at the runs they have allowed vs Florida or Atlanta. I watch my Mets and it's the same thing! You can't allow over 4 runs a game and expect to be a consistent winner!
Take away Lieber, Myers, and Wagner and that Foltz guy has been decent and where is the good pitching and especially starting pitching! Wolf, Padilla, and Lidle haven't pitched well and where is this stud Floyd who is suppossed to be so good!
Any time you don't want Abreu, many teams will take him.

Abreau is an excellent hitter, he has ALL the tools. Yet he is a chronic underachiever, lazy player, not always the smartest baserunner, and about as far from a leader as the rest of the listless Phils. You really do need to watch him every day to dislike him--all the fans who see his numbers and highlights love him, many who watch him get very frustrated. And as this team needs to be blown up, he should go for the good young talent that he would fetch. Of course with Ed Wade in charge, I can't trust that we would actually get anything worth while in return.
I really dislike this team. I hate Lieberthal, Wade is overmatched in his job, I feel bad for Charlie of Mayberry, Burrell will never live up, unfortunately I think Thome may have lost his bat speed, Palonco should have been traded and certainly shouldn't be catered to, Lofton should STFU and I actually like Rollins, but he needs to learn that dissing Phillies fans is probably not helpful.
I do like Chase Utley though.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Travis24

Abreau is an excellent hitter, he has ALL the tools. Yet he is a chronic underachiever, lazy player, not always the smartest baserunner, and about as far from a leader as the rest of the listless Phils. You really do need to watch him every day to dislike him--all the fans who see his numbers and highlights love him, many who watch him get very frustrated. And as this team needs to be blown up, he should go for the good young talent that he would fetch. Of course with Ed Wade in charge, I can't trust that we would actually get anything worth while in return.
I really dislike this team. I hate Lieberthal, Wade is overmatched in his job, I feel bad for Charlie of Mayberry, Burrell will never live up, unfortunately I think Thome may have lost his bat speed, Palonco should have been traded and certainly shouldn't be catered to, Lofton should STFU and I actually like Rollins, but he needs to learn that dissing Phillies fans is probably not helpful.
I do like Chase Utley though.

It's true that I only see Abreu about 25 times a season but sh*t every year he hits over .300, drives in 100 runs, scores 100 runs, walks over 100 times, has an on base average of over .420, hits 25-30 homers and has over 10 assists a year in right field and has time to also steal 30-40 bases. I'd hate to see him if he was any good!
Granted he does strike out about 120 times a season but with those consistent numbers he has to be doing something right! I mean how many players have those numbers since 1998 but I'll defer to everyone who sees him on a daily basis.
I tell you what though, anytime you want I'll trade you Cameron for him any day in the week and put him in rightfield!

[Travis24]

No doubt he is a great natural hitter and has the tools. But I will cite a few examples of the type of player I think he is.
1) Two nights ago he jacks a three run shot when the Phils are down by 8. When he comes up in the 9th with the bases juiced, he strikes out on 4 pitches. I am not expecting a grandslam--just contact.
2) He has one game winner HR in his Phillie's career--and it came after the Phils were out of the pennant race last year
3) He wouldn't run into a wall to take away a HR or basehit ever. In fact he has pulled up on catchable balls at the track
4) Last year he pulls himself from the last game after his average goes to .300
5) Two years ago, he sits the final game of the season to ensure the preservation of his .300 batting average.
Its these kind of things that make Phils fans call him "hollow man" and the like.
I recognize his value to a team, but he is no leader and with the Phils going nowhere, I would like to get something for the future for this band of overpriced whiners. 90+ million for chrisstsakes.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Travis24

No doubt he is a great natural hitter and has the tools. But I will cite a few examples of the type of player I think he is.
1) Two nights ago he jacks a three run shot when the Phils are down by 8. When he comes up in the 9th with the bases juiced, he strikes out on 4 pitches. I am not expecting a grandslam--just contact.
2) He has one game winner HR in his Phillie's career--and it came after the Phils were out of the pennant race last year
3) He wouldn't run into a wall to take away a HR or basehit ever. In fact he has pulled up on catchable balls at the track
4) Last year he pulls himself from the last game after his average goes to .300
5) Two years ago, he sits the final game of the season to ensure the preservation of his .300 batting average.
Its these kind of things that make Phils fans call him "hollow man" and the like.
I recognize his value to a team, but he is no leader and with the Phils going nowhere, I would like to get something for the future for this band of overpriced whiners. 90+ million for chrisstsakes.

All good examples, he sounds like a George Foster with the Mets who was a good follower but no leader!

[Flyers2001]

The Philadelphia Ticket Party...


WIP may be in the process of making this happen. I hope it does. All fans who joined the revolution against the Phillies and their bone head displays would get together and go out on the Deleware to dump un-used tickets into the river. This would be a expensive but great display against the worst franchsie in Sports history.

Down with the Phillies, NOW WHOS WITH ME?!?!?!?!

[Travis24]

I would probably do the ticket dump with you, but after Leyland wasn't hired in favor of Charlie of Mayberry I decided to excercise my protest by not buying any tickets. This was a form of protest because I originally intended on going to 7 to 10 games this year.
Great idea though!

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

The Philadelphia Ticket Party...


WIP may be in the process of making this happen. I hope it does. All fans who joined the revolution against the Phillies and their bone head displays would get together and go out on the Deleware to dump un-used tickets into the river. This would be a expensive but great display against the worst franchsie in Sports history.

Down with the Phillies, NOW WHOS WITH ME?!?!?!?!

Isn't there some sort of tradition on the Delaware where nude woman go around in boats once a year or something! I seem to remember seeing a bunch of nude babes in boats on the Delaware shown in Playboy like 20 years ago!
Are they still around?

[gillies]

Originally Posted by bigjack

All good examples, he sounds like a George Foster with the Mets who was a good follower but no leader!

who says foster wasn't a leader?? didn't he lead the mets right into the basement???

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by gillies

who says foster wasn't a leader?? didn't he lead the mets right into the basement???

Yeah 13 homers and 70 rbi's what a gutless bum who couldn't handle the NY pressure and then in 1986 he's hitting .227 with 13 homers and awful defense and gets replaced by Mookie and Kevin Mitchell and starts crying racism. What a piece of sh*t!
The guy proved his true colors pardon the pun with that bullsh*t after taking the Mets money for 4.5 years and being an absolute flop and gutless disaster! I didn't see his leadership or guts like a Keith Hernandez when he came over and made the team better. Foster was a bum like Bonilla or Vince Coleman or now Glavine! Glavine another stiff who can't handle NY and it's pressures!

[bigjack]

Well the Phils look pretty good right now. They were 15-21 and now are 30-27. Everyone hates Abreu and he's hitting like .340 and all of a sudden Manuel looks smart.

[jayc948]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Well the Phils look pretty good right now. They were 15-21 and now are 30-27. Everyone hates Abreu and he's hitting like .340 and all of a sudden Manuel looks smart.

Hopefully they can finally start winning like they have supposed to for the past two seasons. Just imagine if everyone was playing to the level they were capable of. One can only imagine where the Phillies would be right now.