I have a baseball question

[nyisles15]

Can you compare two teams by each respective position and the conclude one team is better bc by position their players stats are better?

A friend tries telling me the yanks are much better than the mets bc by each position their players are much better than ours. My response was you can't do that because its team play that makes teams good and not individual feats. I said he was a typical yankee fan for using that angle to argue his team being better.

Perhaps you can categorize players by postions such as infield vrs infield and outfield vrs outfield, bench vrs bench. He thinks offensive stats are the only way to prove who is better.

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Can you compare two teams by each respective position and the conclude one team is better bc by position their players stats are better?

No, it can't be done on paper. Like the old cliche' goes......"....this is why we play the games"

[KiddYidd]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Can you compare two teams by each respective position and the conclude one team is better bc by position their players stats are better?

A friend tries telling me the yanks are much better than the mets bc by each position their players are much better than ours. My response was you can't do that because its team play that makes teams good and not individual feats. I said he was a typical yankee fan for using that angle to argue his team being better.

Well, you could break it down player by player and judge it that way. You can go by competition, playing under adverse situations...etc...Go by head to head series....

Listen, I love the Mets but the one match up that I feel heavily favors the Yankees over the Mets is there bats against our starters. I have know doubt the Mets will have no problem hitting the Yankees pitchers BUT, can the Mets offense do more damage against the Yankees pitchers or vice versa? I would go with the Yankees over the Mets in that regard.

Offensively I give the nod over the Mets in that category

Defensively- Equal

Starting Pitching- Now that Pedro is hurt I give the edge to the Yanks

Relief- If it wasn't for Mariano then this would be a overwhelming strong point for the Mets....now I give the Mets the edge

Bench- Yankees get the nod

Coaching- Got to give it at least for now to the teacher over the student.

Overall, the Mets will give the Yanks trouble because they are no longer intimidated by this team and know they could win....overall talent though you have to pick the Yankees.

Can see at best a 7 game upset over the Yankees in the W.S. but will most likely lose in a hard fought 6 or 7 game series.

[nyisles15]

Thats what I am saying. Anyone who uses the player by player argument shows how little they know about baseball.

[bigjack]

As everyone has indicated what it means on paper is meaningless. That is why we play the games. Sh*t in 1954 when Cleveland won 111 games, who the hell said the Giants were better and who said that wow watch out for Dusty Rhodes as an example. If on paper meant something the Rangers would of won Stanley Cups after 1994 and we know that never happened. Talk is cheap and let the action speak for itself.
On paper the Giants should be sacking the quarterback and they have 2 sacks in 3 games!

[brawl lover]

I agree that paper teams are not always the best. that is why I don't believe payroll plays as much into the equation as some people say. it is who is standing at the end that is the best team....no matter who is at second base or how much he makes.

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I agree that paper teams are not always the best. that is why I don't believe payroll plays as much into the equation as some people say. it is who is standing at the end that is the best team....no matter who is at second base or how much he makes.

Payroll means nothing when you have teams splurging on players to bring them to their team for large sums of money. With the Yankees, payroll means everything. The Yankees would be like most teams in mlb, paying big for some players but building within for the rest. Without big money, the yanks would be big losers.

[wellzy]

Originally Posted by bigjack

As everyone has indicated what it means on paper is meaningless. That is why we play the games. Sh*t in 1954 when Cleveland won 111 games, who the hell said the Giants were better and who said that wow watch out for Dusty Rhodes as an example. If on paper meant something the Rangers would of won Stanley Cups after 1994 and we know that never happened. Talk is cheap and let the action speak for itself.
On paper the Giants should be sacking the quarterback and they have 2 sacks in 3 games!

1954, was that the year u started takin the Mrs. to baseball games?

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Payroll means nothing when you have teams splurging on players to bring them to their team for large sums of money. With the Yankees, payroll means everything. The Yankees would be like most teams in mlb, paying big for some players but building within for the rest. Without big money, the yanks would be big losers.

Ahhh and you know this how? paying big for some and building within for the rest..like 1995- 2000? They did pretty well in those years. Not losers at all.

[Strife]

You could almost compare a team by their position if you only take pitching into consideration... You basically compare teams by Pitching First, followed closely by Offense as a whole, then defense to a much lesser extent.

But not by player to player. Offense is offense whether it comes from the short stop or the first basemen.

But to answer your argument.. The Yankees are better. Better offense, better pitching.. better team. Not saying the Mets can't beat the Yankees though.. In a 7(or 5) game series.. it just comes down to who's hot.

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

Ahhh and you know this how? paying big for some and building within for the rest..like 1995- 2000? They did pretty well in those years. Not losers at all.

Ok and they still had the highest payroll of teams back then as well so whats your point. Wasn't like it is today but they still spent more than any other team.

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Ok and they still had the highest payroll of teams back then as well so whats your point. Wasn't like it is today but they still spent more than any other team.

No it was like you said. Paying big for some and building from within for the rest..exactly like you said..exactly.

[PuckHogs29]

The only thing stats and records on paper can do is help determine who the underdog is really. If things come down to a subway series on paper the Mets are underdogs, but in reality it should be a good close series.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by wellst

1954, was that the year u started takin the Mrs. to baseball games?

Good one, I was minus 8 years old and my old man wasn't off submarines yet nor my parents met each other yet. I think the 111 win Indians and the 116 win Mariners or whatever it was that never won it all says it all about what it means on paper. What it means is it gives us an opportunity to debate and an excuse to have a few cold ones with our buddies. With that being said, the Yankees 200 million+ payroll is an advantage and they should win every year but don't! If they don't win it all this year people should be fired for it!

[nyisles15]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

No it was like you said. Paying big for some and building from within for the rest..exactly like you said..exactly.

huh???