2013 MLB HoF Ballot

[dodge8954]

Why not let the steroid users in? There was probably more people doing them then not during that time frame so it makes for a pretty level playing field. Baseball didn't have rules or testing in place at the time so were those guys really doing anything wrong? How do we know these other guys weren't doing it?

[Treehugger]

Biggio
Piazza
Dale Murphy

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by Treehugger

Dale Murphy

Right on!

[bruiser11]

Count Sosa for sure. I'd take Murphy well before him.

[Daaaa B's]

The no-brainers are Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Bagwell, Biggio and Sosa. They won't all get in this year but they will soon enough.

The bubble guys are Schilling, Tammell, McGwire, McGriff, Walker, Mattingly, Murphy, Raines, Martinez, Palmeiro, and Morris.

[Churla22]

Originally Posted by Daaaa B's

The no-brainers are Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Bagwell, Biggio and Sosa. They won't all get in this year but they will soon enough.

The bubble guys are Schilling, Tammell, McGwire, McGriff, Walker, Mattingly, Murphy, Raines, Martinez, Palmeiro, and Morris.

Are you figuring that the steroid guys won't have any problems?

[nilan30]

I'd vote for Royce Clayton, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele and Rondell White.

[Daaaa B's]

Originally Posted by Churla22

Are you figuring that the steroid guys won't have any problems?

No, that's just who I would vote in. I think they will have some trouble getting in because of steroids unfortunately. Piazza, Bagwell and Biggio never did steroids so they shouldn't have a problem getting in. There's enough proof out there that steroids don't actually help your performence that all of them shouldn't get in. How come the minor league players who were busted for steroids didn't get any better when they were juicing.

Barry Bonds is top 5 alltime player whether he did steroids or not.

[ValJamesRules]

I was a fan of Dale Murphy growing up. This was drawn by is son...




Man, those were the days. When I was young I could watch any Mets, Yanks, Cubbies, and Braves game on basic cable.

[ValJamesRules]

Nobody was selected for the Hall. I thought there were some worthy players eligible, but I am not allowed to vote....Biggio and Morris were kinda close,

What previously looked like a strong possibility has become a confirmed and controversial certainty. Despite a field loaded with qualified candidates, no one will be elected to the Hall of Fame the writer's ballot this year. It's the first time that's happened since 1996 and the 16th overall since 1940, though none of those years featured such a deep crop of candidates nor such a divisive issue like PED abuse.

BBWAA.com has the full results of the voting and it's clear the writers were able to send the anti-drug message that they intended. Barry Bonds (36.2 percent) and Roger Clemens (37.6) didn't come close to getting the 75 percent of the vote necessary for election their first time on the ballot. Neither did Mike Piazza (57.8) or Sammy Sosa (12.5). Craig Biggio led all players with 68.2 percent of the vote and was just 39 votes short of election. He was followed by Jack Morris (67.7 percent), Jeff Bagwell (59.6), Piazza (57.8) and Tim Raines (52.2).

But none of them will see their plaques hoisted alongside the plaques for the three dead inductees from the veteran's committee — Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and deadball-era player Deacon White — in late July.

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...GlvbnM-;_ylv=3

[Treehugger]

By Bob McManamanazcentral sportsWed Jan 9, 2013 11:34 AM


Pete Rose is as mad as hell.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heat...ie-hustle.html

[IhateLindros]

Bagwell got more votes than Piazza? Wow really?

[ValJamesRules]

Originally Posted by Treehugger

By Bob McManamanazcentral sportsWed Jan 9, 2013 11:34 AM


Pete Rose is as mad as hell.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heat...ie-hustle.html

I can just imagine ole Charlie Hustle sitttin' there and yellin' at the TV.

Pete Rose for HoF!

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

No Jack Morris. Boooooooooo.

[mikebflorida]

Having a plaque on a wall in some museum in upstate New York is hardly important and won't change your opinion about that player.

You might think Barry Bonds was a great player and he was, even before he started juicing but he was a completely DIFFERENT player after using drugs, he went from a skinny, base stealing, very good player to a home run hitting monster who'd get walked intentionally with the bases loaded.

Mark McGwire hit 48 dingers as a rookie, he was ALWAYS a great power guy but then he started with the steroids and hit even more and we all cheered when he broke Maris' record didn't we? I did because I guess I was naive about steroid use and McGwire was a genuine nice guy. I booed when Bonds broke his record, I booed loudly because I knew Bonds was juiced, it was so obvious to me AND Bonds was a first rate a$$hole who thought his shyt didn't stink.

Does it affect my vote? No. The numbers don't lie, McGwire and Bonds hit disgusting amounts of home runs, so did Sosa, so did McGriff and supposedly, Mcgriff didn't juice so I can only wonder if he would have hit 100+ more home runs if he did juice and then it would be an easy choice.

Facts are, they all were very good to great players but we don't know who cheated and who didn't so none of them get to go? The writers seem very bent on sending a message and guys like Biggio or maybe Jack Morris get the shaft because they did it clean(presumably) but played in the "steroid era" so we might have to wait 15 years before we see anyone elected to the HOF? By their logic anyway.

Jeter is a lock when he hangs it up but how does anyone know he didn't take steroids? How does anyone really know? Unless you've actually seen them do it or sold it to them, you don't really know, you just assume and that's what the writers have done, unfairly.

But, it doesn't change my opinion of those players, like them or hate them, they were great ball players, some of who have HOF numbers but may never get in. Bonds and Clemens have 15 years to get in and something tells me they will and if it's not in those 15 years, it will be long after they're dead and buried, some sap somewhere will feel sorry for them and vote them in and as the older BBWAA voters die off, younger ones will take their place and they are more tolerant of this kind of thing, it's a fact. Expect Bonds and Clemens in the Hall by 2020 after they've had to suffer a bit or expect MLB to change the record books to reflect the steroid era, that wouldn't surprise me and it seems reasonable because guys like Maris and Aaron, Koufax and Palmer, they didn't use PED's(that we know of ) and their records and careers were done cleanly.

I see the point about everyone being able to do it but as far as I know it is illegal to use those drugs without a prescription for one thing and even though MLB didn't have a rule in place at the time, it still taints their records even though they earned them by hitting or pitching, they could do more than the guy who wasn't using them, the proof is there for all to see, Sosa went from a 30 homer guy to a 60 homer guy? Bonds went bonkers just because he worked out alot?

Yeah, and I have a spot in the Hall of Fame for sale.