Settlement Reached in Jackals and First Arena Dispute

[jackalsfan1]

Rochester, N.Y. – We have breaking news on the future of First Arena and the Elmira Jackals.

After 12 hours of negotiations all of the parties involved have reached a settlement of their dispute.

Chemung County Executive Tom Santulli says there are two major announcements as part of the agreement.

There will be Elmira Jackals hockey next season at First Arena.

The second is that at the end of this season the Elm Arena LLC, the group headed by Tom Freeman of Elmira, will be the owner and operator of the arena.

No other details are being released at this time. Kevin Keeley, the President of Southern Tier Economic Development, which currently owns the arena, believes the bankruptcy case involving the current manager of the arena, Elmira Downtown Arena LLC., will be dismissed as a result of the agreement.

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[JackalsFan2000]

Nothing to get too excited over. Figured theyd complete the year anyways. I highly doubt Afr will be willing to pay rent or sell the team(cheaply anyway) I bet he folds the team, that gurantee of a next season is a little bold, I could see FHL or lower come in, but not expecting Doc's franchise to stay, after that it's a crapshoot.

Disappointing after all that time they all let each other off the hook.

[jackalsfan1]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

[JackalsFan2000]

This whole drama has been as exciting as a rigged Russian, Greek or Turkish soccer match. I wanted to see it really finish out. Instead we hear the word "Confidental" Thats never a word you really want to hear, It's usually when someone has done something bad or has a personal secret to keep. So I ask these parties, what do you got to hide? What Afr's deal was, was essentially confidential as the terms of the lease weren't publicly known. But theres been chatter of something of tax rolls. This isn't a private entity "anymore" allegedly. We the people, the tax payers should get to know all the dirty details of what we are paying for.

I'll believe it when I see it with my own two eyes that Afr will stick around next year with the Jackals. Teams have been slated to play before a next season and ended up not playing. This would be a PERFECT scenario in which it wouldn't happen. Everyone knows from the past Doc's selling price is well, astronomically high. I can't imagine him being willing to pay rent, hell he wouldn't even play for free this year.

Also that little snippet of a link said nothing about a league or anything, aside from a "season" that in February i'm not going to take to heart or seriously. Why should I believe a dang thing anyway? It's not like theres been any truth the last 13ish months here.

This crapola still ends with a gazillion questions and about zero answers.

[jackalsfan1]

Did you even bother to read the paper this morning? The thing has been sealed. Typical nosy people around Elmira want to know everybody's damn business. The good thing is Afr is out of the arena and concession business after the season and it has been confirmed the Jackals will play in Elmira next year. Freeman said once he got this thing it would go on the tax rolls which is a positive for the taxpayers and yes now it will be wholly owned by a private company. Keep spreading all of your garbage.

[JackalsFan2000]

What does Afr get for keeping his team here? That piece to the jigsaw puzzle is missing. Whats the advantage for him to stay and pay rent?

Man, he better try harder than this year. The team isn't that good, needs to go all out on a head coach search. It's too bad these bafoons couldn't settle this months ago so Bingham had a secure job. If I were him i'd be kinda ticked on how this finished before anything of note really ever started. They were at the same place this week as they were September. Couldn't make a phony deal then?

Hockey wise this deal could end up being bad. IDC about Doc's business practices but hockeywise you can't say that he didn't try.

[jackalsfan1]

I would be willing to bet he is selling the team as soon as the season is over. Care to take me up on a little wager? Team isn't that good? We got crushed with call ups and with the NHL resuming just like everybody else and now all of these teams are scrambling. Ottawa took 7 guys from Bingo so I guess it is good they didn't take too many from us. Reading lost a ton of guys to Hershey if you hadn't noticed. We are tied for 6th in the conference with all of this garbage going on. How much do you think this whole thing weighed on the players? Losing Demkov hurt but losing DaCosta did nothing and Campanale is a whiny girl for walking out like he did. We get Johnson back and it will help. We need to use Demkov's $$ to get a good #1 Dman. It will be interesting to see what Ryan Palmer has to offer on D or if he is just a fill in. Blandina has been a nice pick up. We have probably 6-7 guys who shouldn't be playing at this level but I. As for "bafoons" you ought to actually look up how to spell it before you call somebody one. It took a lot of balls for Freeman to outmanuever Doc like this. I didn't see anybody else willing to pony up the money. Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

[JackalsFan2000]

Originally Posted by jackalsfan1

I would be willing to bet he is selling the team as soon as the season is over. Care to take me up on a little wager? Team isn't that good? We got crushed with call ups and with the NHL resuming just like everybody else and now all of these teams are scrambling. Ottawa took 7 guys from Bingo so I guess it is good they didn't take too many from us. Reading lost a ton of guys to Hershey if you hadn't noticed. We are tied for 6th in the conference with all of this garbage going on. How much do you think this whole thing weighed on the players? Losing Demkov hurt but losing DaCosta did nothing and Campanale is a whiny girl for walking out like he did. We get Johnson back and it will help. We need to use Demkov's $$ to get a good #1 Dman. It will be interesting to see what Ryan Palmer has to offer on D or if he is just a fill in. Blandina has been a nice pick up. We have probably 6-7 guys who shouldn't be playing at this level but I. As for "bafoons" you ought to actually look up how to spell it before you call somebody one. It took a lot of balls for Freeman to outmanuever Doc like this. I didn't see anybody else willing to pony up the money. Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Whats the wager? Why would Afr at all want to help out this other guy and do him a favor? I mean now the arena isn't his. Doesn't matter to him if that place bleeds red with no prime tenant. Last years team was first in the East with everything going on and the N in session. Bingham just built a better roster of older like guys who still werent vets that their callup chances would be minimal. Campanale is no better than those bums Harvey or Gratchev. They quit too. Why did Demkov quit? Same reason?! Had Bingham stayed I think Rivet would have come back(and Radja)as for next year if they gave almost nobody on this team a qualifying offer I would be okay. Gazley should be AHL bound by then. We have no real goaltending this season. I don't know if Doc was outmanuevered. This thing lacks a lot of info. I really wish it played out, I think he could have had a case, would have been interesting anyway. As for playoffs I think the streak ends this year. I think I have a better shot at winning Streak For The Cash on ESPN in the next couple of months.

[jackalsfan1]

Originally Posted by JackalsFan2000

Whats the wager? Why would Afr at all want to help out this other guy and do him a favor? I mean now the arena isn't his. Doesn't matter to him if that place bleeds red with no prime tenant. Last years team was first in the East with everything going on and the N in session. Bingham just built a better roster of older like guys who still werent vets that their callup chances would be minimal. Campanale is no better than those bums Harvey or Gratchev. They quit too. Why did Demkov quit? Same reason?! Had Bingham stayed I think Rivet would have come back(and Radja)as for next year if they gave almost nobody on this team a qualifying offer I would be okay. Gazley should be AHL bound by then. We have no real goaltending this season. I don't know if Doc was outmanuevered. This thing lacks a lot of info. I really wish it played out, I think he could have had a case, would have been interesting anyway. As for playoffs I think the streak ends this year. I think I have a better shot at winning Streak For The Cash on ESPN in the next couple of months.

Up tp you. Cash sounds good. Not posting anymore sounds good. Wearing a sign to the arena that says I am a dumbass that just spreads rumors sounds good.

Bingham had 2 teams to get people from and a GM who had hockey experience until Nichols left. He had the ability to spread high dollar guys over AHL deals without giving all of them to Bingo. They should have taken the Sabres affiliate but hindsight is 20-20. Who knew Bingo was going to have that many injuries or call ups. Not to mention this team is playing pretty well right now with as many holes as it has. As for older guys with minimal call up chances who would those be? Bourbeau (1 AHL game last year), Radja (23 AHL games last year), Larocque (-10 last year so yeah no call ups for him), Bellamy (24 points and a -2 last year he and Pietrus were the newcleus of one of the best 3rd lines in the league last year and he plays even better when somebody can watch his back like Harvey or Chaz), Rivet (would be here if Afr no longer owned the team), Gratchev (completely underperformed), Campanale (that was a complete girl move to walk because the coach said you couldn't drive home for the all star break because the team was playing like crap), Barlow (57 AHL games), Godfrey (38 AHL games), Armstrong and Harvey quit and went overseas just like Demkov, 7 guys on AHL deals from Cuse and 7 guys from Bingo. By the way you called Harvey a bum and he has been playing his tail off the past few games and is averaging almost half a point a game as our teams tough guy. I can keep killing you with facts while all you have is innuendo if you like.

What I can't understand is what your pining for Doc is and why you think it is your business how it happened. Doc is a pariah in minor league hockey that has done more to hurt the commnities he has been a part of than help. Freeman is going to do right by the commnity and I spoke to Hufnagel Saturday and he said people are now coming out of the woodwork that want to get involved again now that Doc will be out. To me that at least means something and if you can't figure out that you don't make this kind of investment without having all of your ducks in a row then that is a you problem.

[JackalsFan2000]

Originally Posted by jackalsfan1

Up tp you. Cash sounds good. Not posting anymore sounds good. Wearing a sign to the arena that says I am a dumbass that just spreads rumors sounds good.

Bingham had 2 teams to get people from and a GM who had hockey experience until Nichols left. He had the ability to spread high dollar guys over AHL deals without giving all of them to Bingo. They should have taken the Sabres affiliate but hindsight is 20-20. Who knew Bingo was going to have that many injuries or call ups. Not to mention this team is playing pretty well right now with as many holes as it has. As for older guys with minimal call up chances who would those be? Bourbeau (1 AHL game last year), Radja (23 AHL games last year), Larocque (-10 last year so yeah no call ups for him), Bellamy (24 points and a -2 last year he and Pietrus were the newcleus of one of the best 3rd lines in the league last year and he plays even better when somebody can watch his back like Harvey or Chaz), Rivet (would be here if Afr no longer owned the team), Gratchev (completely underperformed), Campanale (that was a complete girl move to walk because the coach said you couldn't drive home for the all star break because the team was playing like crap), Barlow (57 AHL games), Godfrey (38 AHL games), Armstrong and Harvey quit and went overseas just like Demkov, 7 guys on AHL deals from Cuse and 7 guys from Bingo. By the way you called Harvey a bum and he has been playing his tail off the past few games and is averaging almost half a point a game as our teams tough guy. I can keep killing you with facts while all you have is innuendo if you like.

What I can't understand is what your pining for Doc is and why you think it is your business how it happened. Doc is a pariah in minor league hockey that has done more to hurt the commnities he has been a part of than help. Freeman is going to do right by the commnity and I spoke to Hufnagel Saturday and he said people are now coming out of the woodwork that want to get involved again now that Doc will be out. To me that at least means something and if you can't figure out that you don't make this kind of investment without having all of your ducks in a row then that is a you problem.

Johnny I havent been to the arena since Game 2 against Florida. Dang between that and sobreity i'm having a good run...

They should have taken the Sabres affiliate so TPegs could come buy the Jackals after the season! Hes got the funds to meet Afr's prices. Then he could have his whole thing in NY with us, ROC and BUF. Where is the Spaz now? He get hurt again? Shocker, lol. Thats why Camp left? I would be kinda mad too. I don't like quitters. Harvey quit last year just like Campanale did this year and Gratchev and Armstrong did last year. Armstrong though I never thought would be here all year anyway, figured he'd get a callup.

What makes you think Rivet would return for a 2nd year? I think he liked Bingham but when he resigned that ended that. I don't think he liked Elmira though. Who could blame him with the situation they were in and then unlike his NHL cities there was nothing to do.

As for Doctor Afr....the guy tried to give us a Championship caliber team quite often. As far as hockey goes he was fine. But at the sametime he doesn't owe me any cash so I don't care how his business ideals were constructed and what he did. This all but assures those people won't get their cash they are owed. I know a guy who just recently went through a foreclosure deal of his own. Couldn't find a buyer now the place is going for auction. Which is WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED to the arena. Everybody knows that. Yet the county for some reason broke their own protocols here. If there was an auction i'm sure you would have had some folks willing to step up, but the thing is the dumb county didn't let it happen like it should have. Something smells a bit fishy. I WANT ANSWERS!

If Doc folds the team I won't be too sad at this point. I wonder if they will bring in EC to fill the void next year. In the long run if some guy wants to own a USHL team here I would be fine with that. ECHL has outgrew Elmira like it did Johnstown and pretty much has Wheeling(similiar cities, older, dieing, small population)

[jackalsfan1]

Originally Posted by JackalsFan2000

Johnny I havent been to the arena since Game 2 against Florida. Dang between that and sobreity i'm having a good run...

They should have taken the Sabres affiliate so TPegs could come buy the Jackals after the season! Hes got the funds to meet Afr's prices. Then he could have his whole thing in NY with us, ROC and BUF. Where is the Spaz now? He get hurt again? Shocker, lol. Thats why Camp left? I would be kinda mad too. I don't like quitters. Harvey quit last year just like Campanale did this year and Gratchev and Armstrong did last year. Armstrong though I never thought would be here all year anyway, figured he'd get a callup.

What makes you think Rivet would return for a 2nd year? I think he liked Bingham but when he resigned that ended that. I don't think he liked Elmira though. Who could blame him with the situation they were in and then unlike his NHL cities there was nothing to do.

As for Doctor Afr....the guy tried to give us a Championship caliber team quite often. As far as hockey goes he was fine. But at the sametime he doesn't owe me any cash so I don't care how his business ideals were constructed and what he did. This all but assures those people won't get their cash they are owed. I know a guy who just recently went through a foreclosure deal of his own. Couldn't find a buyer now the place is going for auction. Which is WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED to the arena. Everybody knows that. Yet the county for some reason broke their own protocols here. If there was an auction i'm sure you would have had some folks willing to step up, but the thing is the dumb county didn't let it happen like it should have. Something smells a bit fishy. I WANT ANSWERS!

If Doc folds the team I won't be too sad at this point. I wonder if they will bring in EC to fill the void next year. In the long run if some guy wants to own a USHL team here I would be fine with that. ECHL has outgrew Elmira like it did Johnstown and pretty much has Wheeling(similiar cities, older, dieing, small population)

TPegs? The calls went out to Pegula and he didn't show interest. Whether he had the funds or not is not relevant to the point he didn't want to spend them here.

I love how you run your yap about Johnson and everybody else but when push comes to shove you back down. I heard about the guy who wanted to go after you at the arena last year. This is why I have been telling you since you posted on the other board that if you just listened and actually thought about what you said before you did then you actually had something to offer. Obviously we know how that turned out.

Harvey, Demkov and Armstrong left for more money for that I have a hard time blaming them. Gratchev couldn't get a prolonged call up on a bad team. How you can compare that to Campanale who just up and walked out because the COACH (you know the guy who makes all the decisions) called the team out for their horrible play is beyond me. At least Mullins seems to be trying to keep them accountable for all of the stuff that is going on and their play at that time. But then again you would know that if you went to a game.

How do I know about Rivet? Because I asked the question and I was told he would have come back if somebody else owned the team.

You have no idea what was agreed to in the decision in the court and the terms have been sealed. Welcome to the US judicial system. How do you figure the place should have gone to auction? You actually have to know something about bankruptcy before you make a statement like that. Chapter 11 gives a company time to restructure debt and get creditors to take a "haircut" on what they are owed. This is what Doc filed for. What the government side was saying was Doc was doing nothing but moving money from the Jackals to pay the bills which was against what they were supposed to be doing. This is why the government tried to get the bankruptcy changed to Chapter 7 which would have allowed the arena to be sold just like you are talking about. This had nothing to do with the county or anything else but you can't get that thru your head. You already got in trouble for bashing Freeman and Santulli all over the net and yet you still don't get it.

At some point for your sake I hope the lightbulb finally goes on and you just stop all of your bitterness.

[chilly666]

play nice in the sandbox (open forum) or else keep your personal battles to private messaging, thanks!

[JackalsFan2000]

Lights could be turned out this week by NYSEG:

http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE

LMAO. +1 to Doc. He leaves with a ***** you.

[jackalsfan1]

Originally Posted by JackalsFan2000

Lights could be turned out this week by NYSEG:

http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE

LMAO. +1 to Doc. He leaves with a ***** you.

He is still on the hook if you read the article. It could change his deal with Freeman which could mean switching the bankruptcy which would be bad for everybody.

[JackalsFan2000]

Originally Posted by jackalsfan1

He is still on the hook if you read the article. It could change his deal with Freeman which could mean switching the bankruptcy which would be bad for everybody.

This just keeps getting exciting, what happens next?! Thats a lot of cash to owe a week. Would love to see what happens if NYSEG shuts the power off. This was a HOT rumor around this time last year from folks only it never made the media as a possibility so someone could have just been feeding junk on the city board. This isnt the first time something about utilities has come up. A few years back I remember on the news one night they were talking about missed bill payments.

That whole ice plant issue...forget NYSEG shutting the power off. "Cold ice" lol. I forget what article it was but there was an article where they said something about that, that there is a slight possibility that not having a fully working ice plant system could cause the arena to be shut down for a few years as it would be uninhabitable.