Xbox 720 to require an internet connection and eliminate used games

[acdcrocksno1]

I buy second hand games a lot and trade in a lot, in fact pretty much every game I buy is pre owned.

I can't be bothered to spend £40 on a new game which I'll play for 2 or so weeks get bored of and not play again. Instead I buy them cheaper second hand and play them a bit get bored with them trade them in etc. Most important of all is I love playing the real old games. I've been smashing out some serious hours n Dynasty Warriors 5 recently. Literally my favoritest game of all time

[grits207]

Microsoft's Adam Orth is a douche; tries to defend "always on" consoles

[thruby]

i don't have anything new to say about this, but i read something pretty interesting on this very topic today.

“I’m going to have to disagree with you Paul, you’re falling into a common trap.

Your assertion is that “If Microsoft blocks used games, then people who buy used games won’t buy a Microsoft console, and Microsoft will lose”. Which sounds true on the surface, but if you actually break down the issue, you’ll find that in such a scenario Microsoft wins. Big.

First, remember that the sale of a console costs the manufacturer money. Second, recall that the manufacturer and Publisher does not profit from the sale of a used game. Basically, a person who only plays used games costs the manufacturer money for the console, and it’s never recovered, that person is not only not a revenue generator, he’s literally an expense.

So what happens if Microsoft blocks used games?

First, Microsoft doesn’t actually lose money. If the person who only or mostly plays used games doesn’t buy MS’s console, MS doesn’t take a loss on the sale. That event alone improves the profitability of the console.

Second, those people go over to Sony. So instead of both MS and Sony taking a share of a population that causes them to lose money, Sony shoulders the entire burden alone. Sony is left trying to recover the losses from only a portion of their customers, while the other portion never ends up being a revenue generator. The more consoles Sony sells, the more money it loses. Selling 20 million consoles isn’t all that great when only 5 million of them are ever going to generate revenue for you. In contrast, if MS sells 5 million consoles, all 5 million of them will generate revenue and recover the loss of the sale.

Third, Publishers will do to Sony what they do to the PC. Staggered releases and/or barebones releases. If the Publisher sees it can get revenue from 100% of the sales on the 720, and only a percentage on the PS4, they’ll very quickly make sure that the PS4 release is weeks behind the 720′s in order to “Encourage” people to buy it on the 720.

Over a period of a few years, Sony will have massive problems as it shoulders the entire burden of used gamers who never generate revenue, and Publishers who see it as a “Freeloader” platform.

People keep making the mistake of thinking that Microsoft’s making a mistake, when in truth, they’d be making a brilliant move that would end up killing Sony.”

not saying i agree with everything he said, but it's an interesting bit of discussion. here's the link, where the writer addresses this comment and refutes some of it. interesting stuff.

[RetardedChimp]

Originally Posted by thruby

i don't have anything new to say about this, but i read something pretty interesting on this very topic today.



not saying i agree with everything he said, but it's an interesting bit of discussion. here's the link, where the writer addresses this comment and refutes some of it. interesting stuff.

As someone who doesn't care about consoles and hopes they die out, I'm not sure that guy's point of view is correct. People who buy used games also buy new games, it's not mutually exclusive. Depending on how bad the public backlash is for Microsoft screwing it's customers by forcing an always online console, they may kill themselves by people just flat out not buying their platform, which means no one would be buying their games either, which means the publishers wouldn't bother creating games for them. If it ends up taking Sony down with them...sweet.

[thruby]

Originally Posted by RetardedChimp

As someone who doesn't care about consoles and hopes they die out, I'm not sure that guy's point of view is correct. People who buy used games also buy new games, it's not mutually exclusive.

right. and the Forbes guy actually says that exact thing. i buy a ton of used games, but i definitely buy new ones too. i just thought it was an interesting read.

[NJDevils17]

I can argue that eliminating used games or the ability to play a game on a different console in general (such as renting a game or borrowing from a friend), will actually hurt new game sales.

I can't think of the number of times where I've borrowed a game from a friend or where one has brought a game over to my house, and then I ended up buying the game (new usually). If people aren't exposed to games and have to pretty much look at the back of the box to determine if it's worth spending $60, people won't give in to that.

For example, if my friend's copy of Twisted Metal 2 couldn't have worked on my Playstation 15 years ago, I would have never been exposed to it and subsequently, would have never asked for it for Christmas or any of the other games in the series either. Just allowing someone the chance to try something at a so called "cost" to the company, can help them in the long run.

I really hope Microsoft doesn't go through with this. If they do, I guess I'll have to go with a PC/Wii U combination next.

[NickDoh]

[kam]

If this **** is true I'm done with xbox. I have never bought a game without trying it first unless it was a gift. I'm pretty much over video games anyway and this will just make it easier for me to step away for good.

[thruby]

Originally Posted by kam

If this **** is true I'm done with xbox. I have never bought a game without trying it first unless it was a gift. I'm pretty much over video games anyway and this will just make it easier for me to step away for good.

this may be unpopular, but stay with me.

this is why i think what Microsoft is doing is semi brilliant. i don't know anyone who games anymore. i mean like ****ing GAMES. i mean sit down in front of your TV until your eyes bleed type ****, not run two rounds of Battlefield and go out and live your life or play a game of NHL 13 before dinner.

i think Microsoft selling this system as entertainment is a perfectly reasonable idea. some of the decisions suck major ass (obviously, but i'll put the disclaimer for clarity), but overall, i like it. i have at least two friends who bought a PS3 and countless others who wanted one because "it has a blu ray player in it". hell, that was a big reason i got one. i can play some games and watch some clear ass movies? count me in.

the fact that i could buy a "One" (DUMB!) and watch blu rays, NHL game center and Netflix, but still play NHL 15 (no NHL 14 for next gen consoles) is mildly appealing to me. at least much, much, MUCH more appealing to me than, "hey guys! we have 15 first person shooters coming out this year, but they're ALL EXCLUSIVE TO US!!! suck it, other system!!!" and "hey! we're releasing the 56th Halo/Gears/Uncharted/etc.!!! get stoked!!"

that said, i probably won't get either one (although, i'd probably lean towards a ps4 at this second) and just run my 360 into the ground. i'm on my last legs as it is. i hadn't had my xbox on in a week before yesterday and yesterday i turned it on, it sat for an hour and i turned it off. i intended to play something, but didn't have the interest. i've been holding on to my PS3 for The Last of Us and i might not even make it that far. i still have my 360 for sports games and Rock Band, but i don't even care for that **** anymore.

maybe it's just because it's summer. who knows? i just don't have the desire to game anymore. and yes, i realize i'm projecting here, but i get that feeling from almost every single gamer i know. i could drop my 360 and PS3 right now and not be bothered. christ, i haven't played a ****ing game on my PS3 since 3 weeks after the Show came out. what i really need is a blu ray player that will allow me to play NHL 14. hahaha.

too long? didn't read it?

in summary:

i think the ONE (DUMB!) and the PS4 (to a lesser extent, according to fanboyzzzz) are doing the right thing by moving away from just being a gaming console. give 'em everything in one package. that said, i have a hard time justifying picking either one up. too many dumb decisions, too many **** games, too much DLC and not enough interest.

thank you for your time.

p.s. i reserve the right to change my mind on all of this the second Arkham City's real sequel is announced for next gen.

[thruby]

uh oh! looks like my hockey season might be ending a bit sooner than i anticipated! i'm back on the xbox!!!

[Stevens Lindros]

**** Microsoft! Sticking with Sony and Nintendo.

Also: http://www.ign.com/blogs/daemon-ign/...one-gifs-begin

[63Impala]

The hell with that, I trade in games to buy overpriced sports games and 7 hour games. I could live without trading in and would only buy games that got good replay value and reviews. Probably means no NHL 15 though. I am not paying no damn fee for playing a friends game, no way jose. Its effed up how the video game market is trying to control the 2nd hand market. In America atleast, its a free market, after initial sale, the product is no longer their property for profit making, in china maybe, but here hell no.

Always online may not be a problem for people with internet speeds higher than 3mbs, but I have enough issues trying to play a cod game while my family watches netflix in the other room. (Our main source for T.V.) What about the people who have no internet at all, half of these new "features" require internet.

What turned this to big no for me is the forced Konnect. I dont want a camera that can recognize my voice or my body shape then sending that info back to microsoft. There should be some privacy issues with that B.S. and should be dealt with by the FCC or who ever deals with that. It should be an option not a requirement. Creeps me the **** out.

Ill wait for my ps4 judgement till after E3. I have not owned a Nintendo product for more then a month since the N64. I did buy a Cube for 30 bucks for my bro. I have no issues getting a Wii-U since it is backwards compatible and does not have all of these damn restrictions. I could use some Zelda and Mario sprinkled with some JRPG.

I agree with above posters, my gaming interests have dwindled to a few NHL 09/Blops 2 games. The last games I sat down with religiously was Mass Effect 3 and Alpha Protocol.

[Stevens Lindros]

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by NickDoh

Goddammit, I've never seen the end of this movie and now I'm going to hear this GIF when I watch it.

[Stevens Lindros]

PS4 is going to destroy this piece of crap!