Boxing Thread 2K12

[Flyers2001]

Hank Lundy, picked up a FNF date, March 30th. Fighting a fringe contender. Maybe I am partial to Lundy because he's from Philly, but he needs to get some more big name action. the 135 lb division is pretty deep and Lundy has 1 loss to a solid guy, Molina. Lundy needs to get in there with a Mitchell, Katsidis, Lineras type. A 5-10 ranked figher to either consider him a contender or pretender.

[JKidd]

I thought it was an ugly fight. Rubio came in with no offensive strategy, and it made for a pathetic fight. He let Jr walk him down and push him into the ropes or corner whenever Jr wanted to, and he didn't once make Chavez pay for coming in with no jab or no offense, just walking right into him. Hell, for most of the fight, all he had to do was take a step to the side and Jr would have fallen over or been completely of balance for a 1-2. It was a step up for Chavez, but it was an easy step thanks to Rubio coming in completely unprepared and with no offensive gameplan.

Donaire/Vazquez... I guess it's just a thing with a Chavez being in the Alamodome that we get a horse**** card, as was the case with Whitaker/Chavez many years ago. I still think Nonito is the top guy below 126, no matter if what division. It's kind of a tough fight to judge him though, because he busted his hand so early in the fight. I would have liked to have seen him stick to the jab and body to break Vazquez down instead of just loading up on single power shots here and there, but, whatever.

[JKidd]

Not much as far as fight news from the weekend. A couple Friday Night Fights cards set, and cancelled.

Flyers or Tim- do you think it's time Sergio and Lou DiBella bite the bullet and realize hes not THE draw at 160 and fights Chavez for whatever Arum/Chavez offer? I get that there are some good 160 pound guys across the pond, but how much of a fan base or how much stock can Sergio gain by fighting these guys most have never heard of? I'm not saying Jr is fighting better guys, but Peter Manfredo has a fight drawing name, unlike Darren Barker or Matt Macklin (no disrespect to those guys).

Julio appears to be coming back in June, likely on the Pacman card, which gives Sergio enough time to take an in between bout and then set up a fall showdown with Julio. Is it time Sergio bites it and takes the deal? IMO, if Sergio wants to get to the upper echelon of drawing power, he needs to fight Jr, and he needs to do it before Jr leaves 160.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I really do not like the way Lou DiBiella is guiding Sergio. But, in Lou's defense, he is looking to bring fighters from around the world to HBO and see what he can get out of them. But, with how good Sergio is right now, and the way he fights based on athleticism and reflexes, it's not good to waste this skill. Once those things are gone, as Roy Jones Jr is proving, they are gone!

[Flyers2001]

Funny you bring up Sergio today, as I just wrote in to a mailbag i read often.

"Sergio oh sergio, am I missing something with this cat? The guy has a hard-on to fight JCC Jr. in the worst ways, but ignores the fact that he would be fighting a light heavy, all the while screaming I am too small to fight a 168 pounder. JCC jr. was 181 when he walked into the ring. I can not recall any Super Middleweights coming in that heavy. I think Sergio has become quite the hypocrite and he's becoming short on time to define himself a nice legacy. He started late and now after two nice wins against Pavlik and Williams he has not faught anyone of interest to help him make a super fight. If Sergio is willing to drop to 150 for a super fight, he should be willing to go to 154 for much more notable names. Either that or shut his face and go up to 168 where he can really make a name for himself. What do you think?"

As time goes on I think JCC jr. vs. Sergio becomes a closer fight. 160 has a bunch of names, but none to define a legacy.

[JKidd]

And that's really what it boils down to. He seems content on cashing out the rest of his days a MW champ who had a couple marquee wins, and then call it a day with some wins over non top 5 opponents.

If that's the case, so be it. Boxing is littered with those types, whether they don't want the challenge, or they refuse to fight away from home. It's just painful to watch, and listen to, when he does nothing but talk and then fight twice a year against Darren Barker and Sergei Dzinzurik.

In other news, Abner Mares has vacated the IBF bantamweight title. He'll defend the WBC version of the trinket against someone in April, likely on Showtime.

Saul Alvarez has opponents narrowed down to Shane Mosley and Delvin Rodriguez. Give me Delvin. Not interested in watching Shane Mosley anymore. My how he has fallen since the Margo beatdown...

Ortiz/Berto II is shaping up for June or July per most reports, although nothing is set thanks to the recovery from Berto's injury not being set in stone.

Still nothing from Lucian Bute, Andre Ward or Carl Froch on their next opponents. Pretty sad when the 3 best super middies in the world can't find dates or opponents.
-Froch is rumored to be setting up an IBF eliminator with Librado Andrade. That'd be the execution of Andrade as we know it, who is FAR from what he used to be.
-Ward, enjoying time off.
-Bute, wants Andre Dirrell... who wants nothing to do with him, or Canada. He also wants Froch, who isn't interested in the fight nor is Showtime. Showtime is now interested in Allan Green, who hasn't shared any interest in the fight, given its in Canada.

Felix Sturm isn't interested in Andy Lee coming over to Germany. Apparently Lee hits too hard for the German chump, and he's elected to fight feather fisted Sebastian Zbik in April.
-Andy Lee may get the call for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr in June, which would be an AWESOME fight. He may also get added back to the Martinez/Macklin card at MSG, no official word yet.

HBO sports pres Ken Hershman has said the network has 0 interest in Wlad/Haye II or Vitali/Haye. His thoughts are that Haye isn't a competitive match for either (as we seen), and has no interest in the fights. That's a big kick in the balls for Haye, who remains a Twitter champ blasting Vitali and Wlad while doing nothing in the least bit to raise his stock as a fighter.

[Flyers2001]

Dirrell
I read a question/Answer session with Dirrell (who is self promoted) claiming he has no problem fighting Bute, but it will not be in Canada. He is afraid that he will geta result like he got against Froch over seas. I can not really blame him. While I don' think Dirrell is as good as Ward, he is still a very good boxer who would be Bute's top opponent to date. I had Dirrell losing by one to Froch because he ran the last 3 rounds. If he attempted to box he would have easily rolled to victory.

Hershman
I like how Hershman has been in the boxing news making his points known. He is looking to only show fights that the people want to see. Granted there are a few sprinkled in that are not the greatest (Macklin-Martinez), but they are usually mandatory fights involving top 10 p4p fighters. Good for him, I think he is what is needed for HBO. Now all he has to do is fire Larry Merchant.

Canelo
IMO, I think its Mosley if he accepts the money offered. I think Rodriguez might be too much risk vs. reward. Mosley at least has a name regardless of how bad he has looked. A card with Mayweather, Cotto, Mosley on it is ridiculous. 3 automatic Hall of Famers. No way Arum would be able to top that cardin PPV sales.

JCC Jr.
He claims he has no problem fighting Martinez, which I agree. We know its Bobby that won't do it. The WBC has claimed it will reject a Jr. vs Margarito fight, but Bobby won't. I actually would like to see it. I know it makes no sense for any kind recognition, belt, or ranking, but please let it happen so I can watch Margarito get his ass whooped again. Nothing better than watching this cheating loser get beat up. Chavez and his cruiserweight body should be able to give Marg the business.

[Flyers2001]

Notable Fights up to Junior Middleweights looking forward to: All fights should be Televised somewhere!

Updated!

February 18th
Paul Williams vs. Ishida

February 25th
Broner - Eloy Perez
Devon Alelxander vs. Marcos Maidana

March 10th
JML vs. Salido
Mikey Garcia vs. Bernabe Concepcion
Ricky Burns vs. Paulus Moses

March 16th
Kendell Holt vs. Tim Coleman

March 17th
Kell Brook vs. Matthew Hatton

March 24th
Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia
Zab Judah vs. Vernon Paris
James Kirkland vs. Carlos Molina

March 31st
Chris John vs. TBD

April 21st
Abner Mares vs Eric Morel

May 5th
Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto

June 9th
Manny Pacquiao vs. Tim Bradley

June 30th
Vicotr Ortiz vs. Andre Berto


Mike Jones vs. Randall Bailey on TBD.

**Brandon Rios no date set.
**Yuriokis Gamboa no date set.

[JKidd]

A glaring omission from that list, Ismayl Sillakh vs. Jean Pascal.

Pascal still insists on not fighting Sillakh, and for good reason. Sillakh would murder his ass. Instead, he's still holding out hope that the WBC listens enough to his bitching and gives him the mandatory instead of having to fight for it.

Pascal and Sillakh had a 30 day mandate from the WBC convention (as of the 1st of the new year) to go to a purse bid, and Yvon Michel, Pascal's promoter has done nothing but bitch.

I'm in touch with Michael Woods to fight out the latest on this, hoping to hear back this week on it.

Just got the official email from GBP...

Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson II is set for May 19th in Las Vegas!
The undercard you ask? Humberto Soto vs. Lucas Matthysse!

****ing aye hell yeah!

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by jkidd

A glaring omission from that list, Ismayl Sillakh vs. Jean Pascal.

Pascal still insists on not fighting Sillakh, and for good reason. Sillakh would murder his ass. Instead, he's still holding out hope that the WBC listens enough to his bitching and gives him the mandatory instead of having to fight for it.

Pascal and Sillakh had a 30 day mandate from the WBC convention (as of the 1st of the new year) to go to a purse bid, and Yvon Michel, Pascal's promoter has done nothing but bitch.

I'm in touch with Michael Woods to fight out the latest on this, hoping to hear back this week on it.

Just got the official email from GBP...

Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson II is set for May 19th in Las Vegas!
The undercard you ask? Humberto Soto vs. Lucas Matthysse!

****ing aye hell yeah!

I only did Junior middleweight and down. That seem to be much more exciting fights. Now that the super 6 is over, I want to see Ward - Bute ina few months.

Khan - Peterson is nice. I think Peterson made a smart move. If he loses there most certainly will be a rematch clause and more money for the trilogy. Khan is giving him his highest payday and fighting in Vegas on HBO, it doesn't get much bigger. He wins the rematch he is locked for a Mayweather or Manny fight.

[Flyers2001]

Lock it up, Canelo vs. Mosley on the may 5th undercard. Some may not like this fight but I do. This will be Canelo's toughest opponent, with biggest name to date. Mosley will be a live dog. The punch is the last to go and I don't think Canelo will do enough to stop Mosley. Mosley is as tough as they come.

Quillen vs. Winky is being discussed as well. Interesting as well.


If Winky fights in the card it will feature 4 sure fire hall of fame fighters.

Arum is going to have to do a lot to top this card when it comes to PPV numbers.

[JKidd]

Mosley vs. Canelo does nothing for me. It's a name on Canelo's card, and that's it. Three pathetic showings from Shane has made me care so little for him I can barely stand it.

Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, Shane decides he WANTS to fight, and shows the youngster how good he can be a la the Margo fight, but, he's shown nothing in two years to say he has that left.

Winky vs. Quillin is a great fight. Peter is showing more and more of an offensive arsenal, and we all know the defensive prowess of Winky - so the matchup should be a good one, even though nobody really matches well up against Winky.

It sounds like Arum is going to try and get JCC Jr on the Manny card. He's going to have to in order to combat the GBP card we've got on Cinco de Mayo.

[ruffryder]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

Notable Fights up to Junior Middleweights looking forward to: All fights should be Televised somewhere!

Updated!

February 18th
Paul Williams vs. Ishida

February 25th
Broner - Eloy Perez
Devon Alelxander vs. Marcos Maidana

March 10th
JML vs. Salido
Mikey Garcia vs. Bernabe Concepcion
Ricky Burns vs. Paulus Moses

March 16th
Kendell Holt vs. Tim Coleman

March 17th
Kell Brook vs. Matthew Hatton

March 24th
Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia
Zab Judah vs. Vernon Paris
James Kirkland vs. Carlos Molina

March 31st
Chris John vs. TBD

April 21st
Abner Mares vs Eric Morel

May 5th
Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto

June 9th
Manny Pacquiao vs. Tim Bradley

June 30th
Vicotr Ortiz vs. Andre Berto


Mike Jones vs. Randall Bailey on TBD.

**Brandon Rios no date set.
**Yuriokis Gamboa no date set.

Which one of this fights should I watch?

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by ruffryder

Which one of this fights should I watch?

If I had to pick one PPV fight, it would be May-Cotto. Two future HOF'ers in a fight that is long over due. The 3 fights on the undercard will be intersting as well. With an Approx $65 price, it might be worth it.


If I choose a free fight, it would be Rios vs. Gamboa. no date has been officially set, but it should be soon.


Rios vs. Gamboa would be a fight that I would recommend to any casual fan. Its your classic boxer vs. brawler, except the boxer throws hard fast combo's. He's arguably the fastest in the sport right now.

Consolation free fight would be Kirkland vs. Molina. Similar to the Gamboa-Rios fight its a Boxer-Brawler fight as well. Except the brawler (Kirland, pure animal) has improved his boxing and Molina the boxer is known to brawl time to time.

[JKidd]

I couldn't pick just one.

That JuanMa/Solido rematch will be nothing short of destructive and physically hard to watch with how many power shots each guy will land on each other.

The whole card on March 24th is solid and will be entertaining. Kirkland vs. Molina is a hell of a fight. It's not going to be a boxing match, it'll be a flat out fight, probably to the death of one of them.

Mayweather and Cotto should be a fun one to watch. I'm VERY interested to see how Cotto reacts to the stinging lead rights and counter left hooks he'll for surely get hit with.

The Gamboa/Rios fight is one to keep an eye on, for whenever it'll get done. Unlike Gamboa vs. Ponce de Leon, Rios will keep coming forward and taking whatever he has to in order to land his power shots.

Huge boxing weekend this weekend.
Friday:
Friday night Fights on ESPN - Mike Dallas Jr (17-2, 7 KOs) vs. Miguel Gonzalez (20-2, 15 KOs)
Showbox the new Generation: Thomas Dulorme (13-0, 10 KOs) vs. Aris Ambriz (16-2, 8 KOs)
Saturday:
EPIX sports network
Vitali Klitschko (43-2, 40 KOs) vs. Dereck Chisora (15-2, 9 KOs) - for Klitschko's WBC heavyweight title in Munich, Germany

Separate card:
Showtime in Corpus Christi, TX
-Tavoris Cloud (23-0, 19 KOS) vs. Gabriel Campillo (21-3, 8 KOs) - for Cloud's IBF light heavyweight title
-Paul Williams (40-2, 27 KOs) vs. Nobuhiro Ishida (24-6, 9 KOs) - 12 rounds, junior middleweights
-Cristobal Arreola (34-2, 29 KOs) vs. Eric Molina (18-1, 14 KOs) - 12 rounds, heavyweights

Some chatter about Eddie Chambers moving down from HW to cruiserweight. Which is a fantastic move for him. He's far too small as a HW, and this will help him immensely. Only issue is that he'll have to be abroad for almost all his major fights thanks to Europeans or Euro based fighters holding most of the titles.

Also some chatter about middle weight wrecking machine, and "regular" champion (whatever the **** that means) Gennady Golovkin coming over here to the states. He signed with K2 promotions (the promotional banner for the Klit brothers), and will be fighting out of Big Bear, CA. I can't wait to see him start wreaking havoc on the MW division here. I've watched his fights on YT from abroad, and he is as pure boxer with insane power. Check him out if you get a chance. I doubt he'll do it, but I hope he gets onto ESPN first and then to Showtime/HBO, just to garner some wide reaching audiences.

Juan Manuel Marquez has got nothing at all on his plate. A travesty, all things considered. He was banking on Manny IV, but came up empty. He was then banking on a Lamont Peterson, came up empty. He still is the lineal champ at lightweight, so maybe he heads back down a weight class and fights there to stay active.

[Daaaa B's]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

If I choose a free fight, it would be Rios vs. Gamboa. no date has been officially set, but it should be soon.


Rios vs. Gamboa would be a fight that I would recommend to any casual fan. Its your classic boxer vs. brawler, except the boxer throws hard fast combo's. He's arguably the fastest in the sport right now.

Is Gamboa still fighting Rocky Juarez in early March?

If so, when do you see the Gamboa/Rios taking place?

I'd love to see it on the Pac/Bradley undercard but doubt that happens. It would be the best thing for both fighters as they would have a lot more viewers then if they headlined their own card. If they put on a war before the main event it would boost their popularity a lot imo.