Boxing Thread 2K12

[Flyers2001]

(140-147) Somethings will be decided...

The top 10 ranked welterweights all have fights planned:

Mayweather vs. Cotto May 5th
Pacman vs. Bradley June 9th
Ortiz vs. Berto June 23rd
Zaveck vs. Uushona March 24th
Senchenko vs. Malignaggi April 29th
Aydin vs. Guerrero July 28th
Jones vs. Bailey TBA
Brook vs. Hatton March 17th

9 out of 10 Junior Welter weights have fights: (Maidana just fought)

Pacman vs. Bradley June 9th
Peterson vs. Khan May 19th
Matthysse vs. Soto June 23rd
Judah vs. Paris March 24th
Morales vs. Garcia March 24th
Alvarado vs. Herrera April 14th

The Cotto - Mayweather fight is the only one out of 140-147, but clearly affects the 2 divisions.

These fights could decide a lot moving forward. Majority of the fights are against other ranked fighters.

[JKidd]

Mike Jones vs. Randall Bailey has been added to the Pacman/Bradley card in Vegas on 6/9.

The welter and light welter divisions will have A LOT setup for them down the stretch of this year by what happens up to the midway point of the year.

I know you didn't bring them up at all, but the division just south of light welter, the lightweights, they have got a ton of interesting matchups coming up, and to make. Not to mention where or how does Brandon Rios fit into the light welter picture after his 4/14 fight with whoever - Gamboa or someone else. I think we can all agree that Rios has the skills, will, and style to pose a massive issue for anyone at 140.

[Blues 34]

Originally Posted by jkidd

Some other things, and fall out from the weekend...

Not sure if you guys caught JuanMa's post fight interview where he blamed the ref and brought up a gambling bet cover with the stoppage? Is that not bull**** or what? Roberto Ramirez is a hell of a ref, and closing in on the 200 title fight mark. He's ref'ed JuanMa before, and has called stoppages in Lopez's favor, he's done title fights everywhere in the world from PR, to Mexico to Japan to the US. I cannot recall a single "controversy" or ugly showing from him... and JuanMa has the audacity to say that? He's since apologized, and Ramirez has since said he doesn't accept his apology.

This weekend will have two more amazing fights. Macklin vs. Martinez should be a VERY fun fight to watch. Macklin will come right into Sergio, and Sergio will have plenty of chances to tag him, leading and on the back end of things. The undercard fight, Don George and Edwin Rodriguez should have tons of fireworks as well. Don George is never in a boring fight, and Edwin is youngster that can throw bombs with both hands (even though I had him losing his last fight in a less than spectacular fight).

Mikkel Kessler vs. Robert Steiglitz is officially off. Shocker.

Got the rundown from Kid Chocolate on his fight falling through with Winky. Apparently the Nevada State Athletic Commission didn't grant Winky a license to fight, siting his inactivity, age and health concerns as the reasons why. Winky looked awful his last time out a couple years ago against Paul Williams, yeah, but if he passes a physical - what's the issue?

Marco Huck is returning to the cruiserweight division for his next fight. He said he'll take a run at the Klits later this year, or early next year. But, as it stands now, he's set on being a cruiserweight.

Cruiserweight prospect Lateef Kayode was supposed to be going into a purse bid with Guillermo Jones to fight for the WBA title, but has since agreed to fight Antonio Tarver for the IBO. Fight is set for 5/26, location TBD. I love the fight for Tarver, who has seen Kayode fight at least a half dozen times now, and should have a great plan to really take apart the prospect. I'll take Tarver in a decision.

Nonito Donaire is set to fight in July against in a keep busy fight against Chris Mijares.

Victor Ortiz announced this weekend that if Andre Berto isn't ready by June, he's moving on without him. Andre Berto announced then that he'll be ready to fight... so we'll see how that shakes out as we get closer.

Lopez posst fight interview made him seem delusional, he had to know he was getting his ass whipped and the stopppage was a good stoppage in my opinion he was pretty well out of it.

That ref may have a gambling problem who knows but it didnt effect the ending of this fight. The ****ed up scoring by the refs would have had the fight went that far

[JKidd]

Orlando Salido has the featherweight division by the balls now. Two massive wins on national TV, against a marketable opponent in JuanMa... the obvious question is now... what's next?

Even though he'll obviously need some time to recover a bit, three names are being tossed around for his next opponent.. Rafael Marquez, Daniel Ponce de Leon, and Jhonny Gonzalez.

If they want to cash in on the name and his current marketing value, they'll look to Rafael Marquez. The old war horse definitely brings name value, a creditable opponent (even if he's past his prime now).

Gonzalez would be a fun fight, and Ponce still needs another fight or two to adjust to the division and get a creditable win, IMO.

A name that'd be fun to see Salido face, again... Yuriorkis Gamboa.

Side note... Gamboa vs. Rios officially cancelled today, and Top Rank has announced they're taking Gamboa to court.

[Wadubbin]

Originally Posted by jkidd

Orlando Salido has the featherweight division by the balls now. Two massive wins on national TV, against a marketable opponent in JuanMa... the obvious question is now... what's next?

Even though he'll obviously need some time to recover a bit, three names are being tossed around for his next opponent.. Rafael Marquez, Daniel Ponce de Leon, and Jhonny Gonzalez.

If they want to cash in on the name and his current marketing value, they'll look to Rafael Marquez. The old war horse definitely brings name value, a creditable opponent (even if he's past his prime now).

Gonzalez would be a fun fight, and Ponce still needs another fight or two to adjust to the division and get a creditable win, IMO.

A name that'd be fun to see Salido face, again... Yuriorkis Gamboa.

Side note... Gamboa vs. Rios officially cancelled today, and Top Rank has announced they're taking Gamboa to court.

Gamboa's a POS..It's typical of boxing,and it's why it's seen as a sideshow most of the time.You have a fight like Salido/JuanMa bring the sport up.To have it crash back down with crap like this.He's a joke and I hope he gets knocked out everytime he dons a pair of gloves.

Speaking of Salido.I'd rather him fight Gonzalez or Ponce,not Marquez...But you're right Marquez would bring cash,but I just wish Marquez would sail into the sunset,and call it a career...He's been in a lot of tough fights..

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by Wadubbin

Gamboa's a POS..It's typical of boxing,and it's why it's seen as a sideshow most of the time.You have a fight like Salido/JuanMa bring the sport up.To have it crash back down with crap like this.He's a joke and I hope he gets knocked out everytime he dons a pair of gloves.

Speaking of Salido.I'd rather him fight Gonzalez or Ponce,not Marquez...But you're right Marquez would bring cash,but I just wish Marquez would sail into the sunset,and call it a career...He's been in a lot of tough fights..

This is really boxing as we know it, and has been since the promoters took the sport over. Whether it's Top Rank poaching talent from GBP, or whether it's GBP poaching talent from TR. This is just what boxing is. The unfortunate mess is that it takes supreme talents like Gamboa out of action for very extended periods of time. I know it's by his own doing and everything, but you also have to figure that there is someone in his ear telling him things are greener away from TR. You don't go to someone like Floyd Mayweather, and not hear those kinds of things. Especially with Floyd having ties to GBP, and having his own company. I think anyone that disputes that or denies it is completely delusional, even if Gamboa doesn't come out and flat out say it was Floyd telling him this or that.

I'd really love a unification fight with Jhonny Gonzalez. Primarily because Jhonny is one of the big fish of the division, having a legitimate belt (even if his defenses of it are against questionable opponents - he still beat THE man for the title) and a fan friendly style in his own right. Ponce... I'm a fan of, but I like the Jhonny matchup a lot more. And Marquez, he's damaged, war beaten goods at this point and SHOULD retire.

Mikey Garcia is another out there as well, and I can see his style matching up VERY well with Salido's style. Salido will give him a lot of pressure, and a lot of chances to employ that destructive counter punching.

[Flyers2001]

There were problems with the Gamboa vs. Rios fight from the get go. The issue that will probably hold up in court for Gamboa is that there was no contract signed.

It was no secret that Gamboa was hanging out in vegas with Floyd and team. Once that started circulating, Top Rank was so quick to try and put the Rios fight together.

There is so much shady business I am not believing either of them. Let the fighter go after the money because we know Top Rank rapes their fighters, including Manny.

**Salido vs. Gamboa would be the same fight all over again. gamboa is 2 fast for Salido and he wouldn'y leave his chin out there like Lopez does.

Caba is calling for a unification, let that happen.

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

There were problems with the Gamboa vs. Rios fight from the get go. The issue that will probably hold up in court for Gamboa is that there was no contract signed.

And that seems to be the biggest point of contention.

Gamboa claims no contract is signed, while Top Rank says they have an agreement in place.

The biggest issue I see out of this, and reading the law suit letter from TR over at BoxingScene is that I don't see anywhere that TR says they have a contract signed - just an agreement.

What exactly constitutes an agreement? And how much leverage does that carry in court?

Out of all this, I find it hysterical that TR is bitching about "their talent being poached." How many times has TR poached talent from other people?

**** it.. it's a **** situation and one that is all too familiar in this industry.

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by jkidd

And that seems to be the biggest point of contention.

Gamboa claims no contract is signed, while Top Rank says they have an agreement in place.

The biggest issue I see out of this, and reading the law suit letter from TR over at BoxingScene is that I don't see anywhere that TR says they have a contract signed - just an agreement.

What exactly constitutes an agreement? And how much leverage does that carry in court?

Out of all this, I find it hysterical that TR is bitching about "their talent being poached." How many times has TR poached talent from other people?

**** it.. it's a **** situation and one that is all too familiar in this industry.

I also understand in boxing many agreements are inplace and contracts don't get signed until fight week in many cases. Top Rank is going to have to prove that the agreement was reached specifically with gamboa and not his "handlers". The burden of proof lies with Top Rank. I am curious to see how many fights or years are left between TR and Gamboa.

I do not believe for one second that Gamboa is afarid of Rios. I think Mayweather and co. got in Gamboa's ear and said you are being ripped off and exploited and Gamboa is at a crossroads in his career where he can take a stand. The JML lost fight could also be playing on his mind, that TR screwed him out of a big payday. It also doesn't help that he sees TR's main guy Manny in trouble with the IRS after all of the suppose money he was making.

If Gamboa did pull out of the fight after he committed I would be pissed, but I don't know the facts and I can see where Gamboa is coming from.

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

I also understand in boxing many agreements are inplace and contracts don't get signed until fight week in many cases. Top Rank is going to have to prove that the agreement was reached specifically with gamboa and not his "handlers". The burden of proof lies with Top Rank. I am curious to see how many fights or years are left between TR and Gamboa.

I do not believe for one second that Gamboa is afarid of Rios. I think Mayweather and co. got in Gamboa's ear and said you are being ripped off and exploited and Gamboa is at a crossroads in his career where he can take a stand. The JML lost fight could also be playing on his mind, that TR screwed him out of a big payday. It also doesn't help that he sees TR's main guy Manny in trouble with the IRS after all of the suppose money he was making.

If Gamboa did pull out of the fight after he committed I would be pissed, but I don't know the facts and I can see where Gamboa is coming from.

That's the way I understand it as well. The few guys from the gym I fight at, that have gone on to bigger things, some times they'll get the agreement right away, but a lot of the time it's a verbal and then they sign a lot later. In fact a guy from our gym just agreed to fight Jermain Taylor next month.

As far as the situation goes, not to beat a dead horse, but I'm pissed off with Gamboa. He agreed to the fight, and then just stops the process a month after agreeing to the fight. If he wasn't happy with the stipulations or money that TR was presenting, he should have said so at the start and got things sorted out well ahead of things getting this far down the line. There is no doubt, to me, that Floyd had some say or pull in all of this. The fact it all comes up while Yuri is out there with him isn't coincidence to me.

I don't think Gambao is afraid of Rios, I think that's just plain stupid to think on anyone's part.

I do think it's all about what Floyd whispered in his ear and is now rolling with - as far as making a stand against Bob Arum and Top Rank as a whole. For that, it sucks, it really sucks a supreme talent like Gamboa isn't going to fight for the foreseeable future, but it's apart of the sport and there are others to replace him in the grand scheme of things.

[Wadubbin]

The whole thing that pisses me off about it is that it would be a great fight,and now it's not going to happen.I could careless who's promoting,who's making the money..I want to see good fights and intriguing fights.When will these dopes ever get it into their thick heads???

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Just landed myself some tickets for the Kell Brook vs Matthew Hatton fight on Saturday.

Not for anything major but Brook is a for sure up and comer. Should be a great welterweight fight.

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Just landed myself some tickets for the Kell Brook vs Matthew Hatton fight on Saturday.

Not for anything major but Brook is a for sure up and comer. Should be a great welterweight fight.

That should be a very fun fight. Hatton stood up to Canelo Alvarez for 12 full rounds and didn't hit the deck, I'm not sure Brook will be able to send Matt-Hatt down. I expect Brook to dominate the fight though. Far superior speed and power, and amazing technique.

Tim Coleman vs. Kendall Holt tonight on ESPN FNF. Holt is at a crossroads and needs a win like crazy. Coleman needs to get himself righted after Vernon Paris knocked him out last time out. Two desperate fighters should make for a great fight.

Mares vs. Morel will now be for an interim WBC belt. Nishiokia asked for champion emeritus status while he takes some time of. Whatever, I guess.

Winky Wright vs. Peter Quillin is back on. It will be on the undercard of Kayode vs. Tarver. Really wonder where the whole card will take place given Winky couldn't get a boxing license in Nevada...

[JKidd]

So a recap of tonight's action...

Kell Brook beat the piss out of Matthew Hatton. A shutout, even if the judges gave Hatton a sympathy round here and there. For me though, it does nothing for Brook. It's a grudge match, for whatever reason he had to personally take, and he destroyed Hatton who, again, proved he's not an elite fighter and has no business being in the ring with top 10 or top 15 ranked guys in either 147 or 154.

Edwin Rodriguez looked very good in a hard fought battle against Donovan George. He boxed very well, and the marriage with trainer Ronnie Shields appears to finally be paying dividends with a mammoth win tonight on national TV, and looking good in the process.

Sergio Martinez KO'ed Matthew Macklin, as expected. But, wasn't expected by most, was he had to come from behind to do so. Harold Lederman had Martinez down 2 points going into the 9th round, with the help of a BS knockdown call. He then decided to not only step on the gas, but stomped on that bitch. From the 9th round on, Macklin had no answer and even though was up on the cards, looked defeated. Martinez made a perfect in ring adjustment to throw the left towards Macklin's elbow, and he started ducking right into it. By the 11th, the jaw was clearly beaten down, and Macklin was taking major damage. Then... to quote Jim Lampley, BAM! A picture perfect left flush on the jaw sends Macklin to the canvas in a heap. He beats the count, then has to deal with Sergio who is now in full kill mode. Later, with seconds left, Martinez throws a combo with the final left smashing home, and again, sending Macklin to the canvas in a more disgusting heap. He beats the count, hits the stool, and Buddy McGirt does the great thing in not letting Macklin return to the slaughter for a 12th round.

It was far more drama filled than the 11th round TKO will tell you. Macklin came to fight, but just wilted and lost it.

[blackngold]

Real fun watching Sergio Martinez completely change his approach mid-fight and start dominating.