2012-13 Soccer Season Thread

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Originally Posted by thepolishkid88

Don't know why you wouldn't call it a franchise, but not the first time you've flamed me for the "wrong word choice". It's the same thing in my eyes, Manchester United alone is a world empire to think otherwise is foolish and is indeed a franchise.

As far as Mikel wasn't saying he shouldn't be, but was saying he probably heard wrong and ran with it. Why wouldn't he? He's a black man and he's bound to hear it especially with the garbage you hear at some of these games. Just like the West Ham fans chanting "Lazio" at the Tottenham game.

Mikel was charged for physically abusing the officials, no excuse and you know it will only go one way.

You quite clearly don't know what a franchise is. It is a completely different system.

Let me ask you one thing. When have you ever heard anyone in Europe refer to their team as a franchise? Exactly. None because they aren't.

You go to Manchester and call United a franchise and see where it gets you and the reaction you get from it.....

You have been called out for not knowing what you're talking about and the fact you insist it is a franchise proves the point. Manchester United is a club not a franchise, has never been a franchise and never will be a franchise.

You go and ask anyone involved in football in Europe if their team is a club or a franchise, what is the overwhelming answer you are going to get?

You call a team a franchise and fans will just laugh at you, if they're in a good mood.....

Franchises are in North America and can move all over the place, whenever they want. Tell me how many top level European clubs have done that? or who would be allowed to do that?

Franchises have territorial rights, clubs do not. Franchises don't use a promotion and relegation system, they used a closed league structure.

Franchises are awarded, the aren't founded and top-league places earned.

An expansion franchise can go right to a top-level league. A team can't they would have to start at the bottom of the league structure.

There are massive differences between the two so no European soccer teams are not franchises.

Super 15 would be franchises but none of the soccer leagues in Europe have franchises.

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

Don't worry too much about him he's Welsh who with the collapse of their rugby team have literally nothing left to live for.

Why would I have nothing left to live for? It's sport. It's a game, no more no less.

There are way more important things in life to worry about. With some of the things I've been through (one of which is very well documented on this site) one of my sports teams losing is a minor irritation but comes nothing close to anything more than that. Teams winning or losing hasn't had much of an effect on me for a very long time.

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Mikel was charged for physically abusing the officials, no excuse and you know it will only go one way.

You quite clearly don't know what a franchise is. It is a completely different system.

Let me ask you one thing. When have you ever heard anyone in Europe refer to their team as a franchise? Exactly. None because they aren't.

You go to Manchester and call United a franchise and see where it gets you and the reaction you get from it.....

You're flamed for not knowing what you're talking about and the fact you insist it is a franchise proves the point. Manchester United is a club not a franchise, has never been a franchise and never will be a franchise.

You go and ask anyone involved in football in Europe if their team is a club or a franchise, what is the overwhelming answer you are going to get?

You call a team a franchise and fans will just laugh at you, if they're in a good mood.....

Franchises are in North America and can move all over the place, whenever they want. Tell me how many top level European clubs have done that? or who would be allowed to do that?

Franchises have territorial rights, clubs do not. Franchises don't use a promotion and relegation system, they used a closed league structure.

Franchises are awarded, the aren't founded and top-league places earned.

An expansion franchise can go right to a top-level league. A team can't they would have to start at the bottom of the league structure.

There are massive differences between the two so no European soccer teams are not franchises.

Super 15 would be franchises but none of the soccer leagues in Europe have franchises.

The only team that springs to kind is MK Dons

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Sukoshi84

So basically Man U is going to stick with the "Buy everyone we can" plan, such a shame. Youth programs can do amazing things, such as La Masia for Barça, AFC AJAX and The Bayern academy(granted Bayern has had to purchase).

What a clueless post

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

The only team that springs to kind is MK Dons

And look at the uproar - and that was at a low level. The fallout from that shows it will never happen again. Authorities would never allow it to happen at a high level. The reaction to that from all of football shows there is no place for franchises in European football.

MK Dons are hated for what happened and all football fans in Europe detest the franchise system. Europe does not have a franchise system. MK Dons have no history, they stole from another club and their fans.

The Dons are the only team in Europe who can be labelled a franchise because they cheated the system.

The franchise system doesn't have movement of leagues and no-one in Europe would ever go for it. Rewards need to be earned, not handed out.

[Sukoshi84]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

What a clueless post

If it's so clueless like you blind hate for one of the best players in the world then enlighten me cock knocker... you're obviously still pissed the Ronaldo wears Messi Pajamas!

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Sukoshi84

If it's so clueless like you blind hate for one of the best players in the world then enlighten me cock knocker... you're obviously still pissed the Ronaldo wears Messi Pajamas!

Just cause he's a good player doesn't mean I have to like him guys a ****ing scumbag and a cheat. The most successful period at United in recent years came from a core of 7 or 8 players who came through the youth system, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Neville, Butt etc.

City and Chelsea are trying to buy championships. Although united have before spent big on individual players it would tend to be a player in a transfer window not 4 or 5 like City Madrid Chelsea etc. Also when they did buy big it was often money earnt they don't have an oil tycoon financing them and even now they don't.

Some of their best players of recent years may not have come through the academy from the age of 10 like Joe Allen with Swansea but they most definitely do being in young players 18-21 and develop them. Rinaldo for example certainly wasn't a superstar when he came to Enlgand straight away he grew into the player he is now at United.

Even in their squad today they have players from their own youth systems. Cleverly has come up through the ranks Welbeck has Evans has Rafeal was brought over at a young age and worked his way up Darren Fletcher is another player who has come through the ranks. Who do City have who have done that Micah Rochards and Joe Hart? What about Chelsea? (Disclosing Terry and Lampard unless you want me to include Giggs and Scholes) arsenal have a great development system unfortunately they have problems keeping hold of them.

And finally the is real value in a good scouting team. Hernandez for £6 million is a bargain buy Ronaldo for £10 million bargain again.

Is that enough for you?

[Y Ddraig Goch]

acdcrocksno1 you are in Kent, why are you bigging up Manchester United?

There is no reason whatsoever for you to be defending or supporting them. Why don't you support your local team. A team you can associate with?

Why are you a bandwagon jumper? Another joke in this thread.

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

acdcrocksno1 you are in Kent, why are you bigging up Manchester United?

There is no reason whatsoever for you to be defending or supporting them. Why don't you support your local team. A team you can associate with?

Why are you a bandwagon jumper? Another joke in this thread.

I do my local team play in the conference south go up to most home games.

I support United cause half my family is from there I wasn't given much choice in the matter I was brought a United kit the day I was born and every birthday since my uncle toon me to games when I was younger brought me a full size cardboard cut out of Scholes.

I've supported United all my love no bandwagoning here

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

And look at the uproar - and that was at a low level. The fallout from that shows it will never happen again. Authorities would never allow it to happen at a high level. The reaction to that from all of football shows there is no place for franchises in European football.

MK Dons are hated for what happened and all football fans in Europe detest the franchise system. Europe does not have a franchise system. MK Dons have no history, they stole from another club and their fans.

The Dons are the only team in Europe who can be labelled a franchise because they cheated the system.

The franchise system doesn't have movement of leagues and no-one in Europe would ever go for it. Rewards need to be earned, not handed out.

Yeah the FA cup tie at the weekend really highlighted how much the pissed people off would have loved for Wimbeldon to beat them give it time an they'll be ahead of them in the league hopefully

[Sukoshi84]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

Just cause he's a good player doesn't mean I have to like him guys a ****ing scumbag and a cheat. The most successful period at United in recent years came from a core of 7 or 8 players who came through the youth system, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Neville, Butt etc.

City and Chelsea are trying to buy championships. Although united have before spent big on individual players it would tend to be a player in a transfer window not 4 or 5 like City Madrid Chelsea etc. Also when they did buy big it was often money earnt they don't have an oil tycoon financing them and even now they don't.

Some of their best players of recent years may not have come through the academy from the age of 10 like Joe Allen with Swansea but they most definitely do being in young players 18-21 and develop them. Rinaldo for example certainly wasn't a superstar when he came to Enlgand straight away he grew into the player he is now at United.

Even in their squad today they have players from their own youth systems. Cleverly has come up through the ranks Welbeck has Evans has Rafeal was brought over at a young age and worked his way up Darren Fletcher is another player who has come through the ranks. Who do City have who have done that Micah Rochards and Joe Hart? What about Chelsea? (Disclosing Terry and Lampard unless you want me to include Giggs and Scholes) arsenal have a great development system unfortunately they have problems keeping hold of them.

And finally the is real value in a good scouting team. Hernandez for £6 million is a bargain buy Ronaldo for £10 million bargain again.

Is that enough for you?

You've completely proven my point, Man U HAD some amazing talent that came through the youth system.... they've got a few guys now, but they're impatient and constantly throwing money at the conceived problem. Buying is buying regardless of the price. I never once said City or Chelsea are better regarding their youth system, Arsenal have a solid system yes.... but they can't seem to keep the talent for lengthy periods before someone is sold.

Barça has started a full 11 that went through La masia 2x this year and multiple times in the past.... as far as Messi being a cheat and a scumbag, you clearly don't watch enough of his game.

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by Sukoshi84

You've completely proven my point, Man U HAD some amazing talent that came through the youth system.... they've got a few guys now, but they're impatient and constantly throwing money at the conceived problem. Buying is buying regardless of the price. I never once said City or Chelsea are better regarding their youth system, Arsenal have a solid system yes.... but they can't seem to keep the talent for lengthy periods before someone is sold.

Barça has started a full 11 that went through La masia 2x this year and multiple times in the past.... as far as Messi being a cheat and a scumbag, you clearly don't watch enough of his game.

You clearly have your head to far up his arse to notice. Please give me an example if united throwing money at a problem.

Our weakest area in the team in my opinion is a good defensive midfielder who defensive midfielders or cm's in genereal have we thrown money at? In recent years the only real big money they've splashed is on Berbatov Ferguson has a habit of get players at a reasonable price Kagawa for £13 million etc

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Man City didn't bring Joe Hart through the system.

He was bought from Shrewsbury Town.

And Giggs, Scholes and Beckham were poached (Scholes was signed at schoolboy age, the other two poached from other clubs) by United as schoolboy footballers not products of their youth system.

Anyone who says Messi is a cheat doesn't watch enough games. It's just jealousy. If you are looking for a cheat you need to look no further than Cristiano Ronaldo. He's cheated since day one and continued with it.

[Sukoshi84]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Man City didn't bring Joe Hart through the system.

He was bought from Shrewsbury Town.

And Giggs, Scholes and Beckham were poached (Scholes was signed at schoolboy age, the other two poached from other clubs) by United as schoolboy footballers not products of their youth system.

Anyone who says Messi is a cheat doesn't watch enough games. It's just jealousy. If you are looking for a cheat you need to look no further than Cristiano Ronaldo. He's cheated since day one and continued with it.

Agreed!

[RetardedChimp]

When you guys say 'cheat', do you mean diving? Or is there something else that 'cheating' implies in this case?