Children gunned down at U.S. school

[FistofFury]

Why don't you guys start a gun debate thread?

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

How much money (purchasing and manufacturing) is spent yearly by Americans on guns and gun related merchandise? What if that money was instead spent on things like mental health awareness/control, or more police or trained security guards?

People spend sh1t tons of money on guns, and then wait for the problem to come to them. How about spending that money on a plan that takes the fight to the problem instead?

[Sukoshi84]

Another aspect of this is the sensationalization that goes on with the media, mix that with the lack of mental health awareness, the stigmatization that comes with the mentally ill and how easy it is to obtain a weapon.....

These mass shooting are becoming far to frequent and are becoming part of daily life.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by Sukoshi84

Another aspect of this is the sensationalization that goes on with the media, mix that with the lack of mental health awareness, the stigmatization that comes with the mentally ill and how easy it is to obtain a weapon.....

These mass shooting are becoming far to frequent and are becoming part of daily life.

Excellent post.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

More restrictive gun laws aren't going to stop things like this from happening. I a person wants something bad enough, and is willing to massacre innocent people... more laws aren't going to stop them as they clearly have no f*cks to give about any laws whatsoever.

I hear that a lot. but why bother doing things like registering cars? If people want them they will steal them. Why bother with car license's. If people want to drive they will drive.

What's lost in all this is how guns are so part of the consciousness of the USA. They are so prevelant that when people snap they have access to them immediatly. It's far too easy and far too many people make excuses for the rampant availability of guns.

[canuck2]

87 percent of children in the western world are killed by guns in the USA.

The USA has more gun deaths then the next 22 wealthy nations combined.

Gives you pause for thought.

[kam]

Originally Posted by canuck2

87 percent of children in the western world are killed by guns in the USA.

The USA has more gun deaths then the next 22 wealthy nations combined.

Gives you pause for thought.

It's pretty pathetic isn't it. So in your world what do you think would remedy this?

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by canuck2

87 percent of children in the western world are killed by guns in the USA.

The USA has more gun deaths then the next 22 wealthy nations combined.

Gives you pause for thought.

LOL, 87% of children get killed by guns?? So 421 out of 483 kids in my graduating class should have been killed at some point. What? Did you mean .87%? That's still extremely high. Maybe .00087%?

There's no doubt the United States has more gun deaths than many countries, but all these "combined" stats are incredibly misleading. Many of those 22 countries have significantly smaller populations than the United States. The proportion in the U.S. is probably still higher, but not this 22 countries nonsense has to stop.

In both cases you really need to work on your wording.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by canuck2

87 percent of children in the western world are killed by guns in the USA.

Huh? Are you saying that of ALL children killed by guns in the Western World, 87% are in the USA?

The USA has more gun deaths then the next 22 wealthy nations combined.

Gives you pause for thought.

I agree that is is food for thought. I agree that gun violence is way too high. What I disagree with is that more regulations will stem that tide. The places with the strictest gun laws (Chicago, DC, NY) often have the highest murder rates by guns. Bottom line is that criminals don't care about laws.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by FistofFury

Why don't you guys start a gun debate thread?

Good point. Will do.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Huh? Are you saying that of ALL children killed by guns in the Western World, 87% are in the USA?

When you say it that way, that is what Canuck2 must have meant. That's the only way it makes sense. Of all children in the Western world who are killed by guns, 87% are in the United States. Not, as he said, 87% of all children in the Western world are killed by guns in the USA.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I agree that is is food for thought. I agree that gun violence is way too high. What I disagree with is that more regulations will stem that tide. The places with the strictest gun laws (Chicago, DC, NY) often have the highest murder rates by guns. Bottom line is that criminals don't care about laws.

Right on, if criminals cared about laws, they wouldn't be...wait for it...

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Huh? Are you saying that of ALL children killed by guns in the Western World, 87% are in the USA?

yes sir I am saying that.


I agree that is is food for thought. I agree that gun violence is way too high. What I disagree with is that more regulations will stem that tide. The places with the strictest gun laws (Chicago, DC, NY) often have the highest murder rates by guns. Bottom line is that criminals don't care about laws.

"criminals" dont care about the laws. Yes. Neither do they in every other western country. But the people committing these henious crimes are not "criminals" , they are citizens often mentally unbalanced who have easy access to weapons.

Why not have some resonable laws that limit automatic weapons and require background checks? Why would any reasonable citizen who owns a gun object to that?

BTW the states with the most gun restrictions have the least gun crimes.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

When you say it that way, that is what Canuck2 must have meant. That's the only way it makes sense. Of all children in the Western world who are killed by guns, 87% are in the United States. Not, as he said, 87% of all children in the Western world are killed by guns in the USA.
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Yes you're right I can see how it could be misconstrued the way I put it.

Of all children killed by guns 87 percent occur in the USA.

[flyersvikes]

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BTW the states with the most gun restrictions have the least gun crimes.[/QUOTE]

Like Connecticut?

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by flyersvikes

Like Connecticut?

One incident doesnt create a valid statistical comparison idiot.