Children gunned down at U.S. school

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by hebbe_25

This picture is extremely misleading....

There are 9 deaths per 1oo,ooo per year in the US, which puts the rank at 12th in the world.

The misleading part is out of those 9 deaths almost 6 (5.75 to be exact) are suicides. So only 1/3 are actual homicides with a good percentage of that number (25% ) are lawful killings by police and government agencies like the ATF and DEA.

So the number on that picture should be reduced by about 80%.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by cookie monster

This picture is extremely misleading....

There are 9 deaths per 1oo,ooo per year in the US, which puts the rank at 12th in the world.

The misleading part is out of those 9 deaths almost 6 (5.75 to be exact) are suicides. So only 1/3 are actual homicides with a good percentage of that number (25% ) are lawful killings by police and government agencies like the ATF and DEA.

So the number on that picture should be reduced by about 80%.

so what have you done to break down the numbers in the other countries?

Perhaps every death in Sweden is the result of suicides.

What other civilized country in the world allows it's citizens to buy assault weapons without any background check?

It's pretty obvious the USA is the most dangerous country to live in the civilized/western world.

Your entire post is misleading.

the other countries (and I use the term loosely) to beat the USA are countries such honduras, jamaica, st.kitts, venezuela, colombia, trinidad and panama.

To really get an accurate comparison it's fair to compare the USA to other affluent nations (civilized). Most european countries have a rate of gun violence less then 1 per 100,000.

the USA has a 20x greater rate of gun violence then most western nations.

[Treehugger]

Its too bad the teacher in the classroom that punk entered didnt have a gun.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Treehugger

Its too bad the teacher in the classroom that punk entered didnt have a gun.

Yea and that would really work.

all you john wayne's out there who are locked and loaded would most likely first shiit your pants and then shoot other victims before you would have a chance to kill the gunmen.

[NickDoh]

Meant to post this as well but I went off on the gun subject and forgot;

Charlie Brooker's Newswipe 25/03/09 - YouTube

Might be something to that... I'm pro any and all information being available, but the sensationalism can't be doing any good.

[NickDoh]

Originally Posted by cookie monster

This picture is extremely misleading....

There are 9 deaths per 1oo,ooo per year in the US, which puts the rank at 12th in the world.

The misleading part is out of those 9 deaths almost 6 (5.75 to be exact) are suicides. So only 1/3 are actual homicides with a good percentage of that number (25% ) are lawful killings by police and government agencies like the ATF and DEA.

So the number on that picture should be reduced by about 80%.

Well given it says West Germany I'm guessing that's an old poster and you aren't using numbers from the 1980's. But even if we use your numbers and reduce it by 80% it's still 2,000+ to less than 300. And how much do their numbers get reduced by same logic? Stats are always misleading.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by canuck2

so what have you done to break down the numbers in the other countries?

Perhaps every death in Sweden is the result of suicides.

What other civilized country in the world allows it's citizens to buy assault weapons without any background check?

It's pretty obvious the USA is the most dangerous country to live in the civilized/western world.

Your entire post is misleading.

the other countries (and I use the term loosely) to beat the USA are countries such honduras, jamaica, st.kitts, venezuela, colombia, trinidad and panama.

To really get an accurate comparison it's fair to compare the USA to other affluent nations (civilized). Most european countries have a rate of gun violence less then 1 per 100,000.

the USA has a 20x greater rate of gun violence then most western nations.

The only country that had suicide rate available was Switzerland, such was higher than the US.

You left out civilized countries like Brazil, Mexico and South Africa whose numbers are almost triple the US.

The picture is misleading because almost 80% of that number are not homicides, where 100% gun related murders. That's misleading. The actual US, number is around 4,000 gun related homicides a year which is 10% of people killed by cars.

I agree, the problem I'd mentally ill people getting easy acess to guns, not the guns

[Sukoshi84]

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but there is no need for semi-automatic let alone automatic guns to be available to the public.

This also boils down to the easy access of weapons to people, and the pure lack of mental health awareness/solid mental health help available... all with the stigmatization that come with anything associated with mental health.

Also bringing up drugs as a reference to illegality is absolutely PATHETIC! A selfish act to kill innocent children and adults versus a selfish choice to be a junkie..... no correlation what so ever other than a choice!

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by cookie monster

The only country that had suicide rate available was Switzerland, such was higher than the US.

You left out civilized countries like Brazil, Mexico and South Africa whose numbers are almost triple the US.

The picture is misleading because almost 80% of that number are not homicides, where 100% gun related murders. That's misleading. The actual US, number is around 4,000 gun related homicides a year which is 10% of people killed by cars.

I agree, the problem I'd mentally ill people getting easy acess to guns, not the guns

Civilized countries such as those mentioned? You really are naive. S.Africa has some of the worst slums in the world. Same as brazil and mexico.

Lets stop sugarcoating gun violence in this country.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

As far as "protecting your house and family" goes, a couple of large dogs will do a better job of it than a gun. And when "humanity happens" and someone snaps, there's no chance they're going to take their dogs to the local kindergarten to kill a bunch of kids.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by canuck2

Civilized countries such as those mentioned? You really are naive. S.Africa has some of the worst slums in the world. Same as brazil and mexico.

Lets stop sugarcoating gun violence in this country.

What civilized country doesn't have slums? What does that have to so with anything in this conversation?

Ryan Lanza didn't live in a slum. His dad paid 250k$/yr on child support to his mom.

This isn't a gun issue. Its a mental health issue and the ease of which crazy people can get guns. The overwhelming majority of legal gun owners never hurt anyone, so why punish the 99.999999%?

The is the exact opposite of what American freedom is all about.

[Jack Schitt]

More restrictive gun laws aren't going to stop things like this from happening. I a person wants something bad enough, and is willing to massacre innocent people... more laws aren't going to stop them as they clearly have no f*cks to give about any laws whatsoever.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

More restrictive gun laws aren't going to stop things like this from happening. I a person wants something bad enough, and is willing to massacre innocent people... more laws aren't going to stop them as they clearly have no f*cks to give about any laws whatsoever.

I beg to differ...

If I decide I want to go on a killing spree but have no guns I have 2 options. I can try to but my guns legally, or illegally.

Now if I go down to Joes Gun Shack, fill out a form, hand him some cash and but some guns and ammo and plan my attack, who knows? If they're were longer waiting periods to allow authorities to find out I'm a paranoid schizo and deny my purchasing of weapons I would have to go to plan B.

I don't know anyone that sells illegal guns and I doubt Ryan Lanza did either.

What's wrong with making it harder for the .01% crazies to get guns so the 99.9% can keep there's legally?

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by cookie monster

I beg to differ...

If I decide I want to go on a killing spree but have no guns I have 2 options. I can try to but my guns legally, or illegally.

Now if I go down to Joes Gun Shack, fill out a form, hand him some cash and but some guns and ammo and plan my attack, who knows? If they're were longer waiting periods to allow authorities to find out I'm a paranoid schizo and deny my purchasing of weapons I would have to go to plan B.

I don't know anyone that sells illegal guns and I doubt Ryan Lanza did either.

What's wrong with making it harder for the .01% crazies to get guns so the 99.9% can keep there's legally?

Or there's a third option. Break into someones house and steal them.

Outside of your little bubble it's VEEERRRRRYY easy to buy an illegal gun.

So according to your scenario... you wait longer for a background check and get denied. You then go to "plan B". You don't abandon it all together. You just delayed the killing spree. It solved nothing.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Or there's a third option. Break into someones house and steal them.

Outside of your little bubble it's VEEERRRRRYY easy to buy an illegal gun.

So according to your scenario... you wait longer for a background check and get denied. You then go to "plan B". You don't abandon it all together. You just delayed the killing spree. It solved nothing.

Doesn't it give law enforcement a better chance to catch the bad guy if he's buying illegal guns?

And responsible gun owners keep their guns locked in safes or at least with trigger locks. Another area where more responsibility.

You forgot plan B. Pretend your Mexican and buy them from the DEA and Obama...lol.