Children gunned down at U.S. school

[Mike Tython]

Originally Posted by CairnsisGod

What purpose does it serve to have weapons in circulation that can fire off 50 rounds in a minute?

Full disclosure: I haven't read through the thread. I started on the last page.

I'm not necessarily calling you out, as I have seen this opinion shared in plenty of other places; however, aren't heroin, meth, coke, etc etc. illegal too? And there's zillions of people who still have easy access to it and use it frequently. There just isn't a way to curtail this sort of nonsense. If some crazy ****ing asshole wants to murder a ridiculous amount of kids, he'll figure out a way to do it. And rest assured he'll get his 15 minutes of fame.

Which leads me to my second point that I wanna bitch about...the media. Hate it these days. This social media bull**** is getting out of control. Too many outlets trying to be the "first" to report something. By doing that, they get like 90% of the facts wrong right out of the gate. I'm not totally sure, but the guy first pegged as the murderer was the brother of the actual killer, I believe. They're questioning him, but it appears he had nothing to do with it. Ignoring the fact he lost his entire family today (which is hard to ignore), he then had to go on and defend himself from those accusations. If someone with my same name did some **** like this and I got accused of it...jesus. Do some fact-checking for a change, dip****s.

[Mike Tython]

Originally Posted by kam

I love guns but I absolutely agree there should be stricter laws and regulations. I think there should be an IQ test and a psych evaluation personally. The die hard gun nuts look at in such a way that if you give in and let government make more laws then it makes it that much easier for the next law and the next and so on until they are banned completely.

Allegedly, the Aurora suspect was a borderline genius. Sure he might've failed the psych test, but in the end, all it takes is one person to fall through the cracks of these tests, and there might be 20 more children dead. I hate to sound like such a pessimist on this issue, but some people are beyond reach, and will continue to do garbage like this, no matter the laws and regulations that are in place.

[Phila26Flyers]

I really don't see how restricting gun laws would curb violence. All it does is keep smart, law-abiding citizens who practice safely like me from purchasing guns. In the meantime, those with murder on their minds will ALWAYS be able to find a way to obtain a gun.

[Phila26Flyers]

Also, it's times like these I'm so glad I deleted my Facebook page. I don't need to see all the wounded keyboard warriors spitting their venom everywhere. Especially the misinformed and reactionary ones.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Originally Posted by OilersHockey

The christian faith believes he allowed His own Son to be crucified... gives you some perspective, doesn't it?

just sayin...

Into what kind of an "assh0le" people decide to put their faith in? Yes it does. If God is disgusting enough to allow his own son to be killed, he should be very proud with what went down today. Afterall, according to the scripture, we were "created in his image."

God is a twisted f*ck, and so are his creations. He must be smiling ear to ear right now at his success.

[thepolishkid88]

Saw that the mom apparently bought all 3 guns. Why she needed them no one knows why. CNN is saying the .223 that was in his trunk actually was the same rifle used in the DC sniper series.

Beyond this being a gun issue its just heartbreaking. Think of all the cases with kids or young people dying. Kansas City (Belcher), Aurora, Oregon shopping mall, Canadian shopping mall, Norway, Amish Church/School shooting (Not far from where my family lives), Arizona shootings, VT (2x), and Texas A&M. I thought of all those off the top of my head. When I was a kid I couldn't tell you anything else outside of Colombine.

As my dad said to me tonight, its a sad world we live in now. We have to look over our backs to make sure we are safe.

[AvsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Mike Tython

And rest assured he'll get his 15 minutes of fame.

Besides the obvious I think thats also a lot of the problem. Every wackadoo sitting at home see the attention these types of things get nowadays. The next fuker will probably walk into a pre-school or a hospital nursery and butcher a bunch of babies.

[djaye]

Originally Posted by canuck2

I hear that a lot. "too soon" "not when the emotions are high". yet the incident will pass and everyone forgets.

Nice strategy by the gun nuts.

The kid used a gun designed for a war.

Tell us all what makes and models they were? I was looking for quite a while and found nothing in any ' descriptions '. The ONLY statements released thus far were 2 handguns ( no makes specified, only mfgr names ) were found on the scene and a " Rifle " was found in a car ( Again, just the mfgr's name. ).

NOTHING else has been released.

Lets have a reasonable discussion about some reasonable limits on what type of gun can be available for Joe Public to buy. Lets talk about mandatory background checks.

Take a chill pill Mr. Gun guy.

"The guns used in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were legally purchased by the shooters mother.

Adam Lanza, 20 years old, took three guns, all legally purchased and registered by his mother, Nancy Lanza, to the school and killed 26 people and himself.

Police found Lanza dead in a classroom along with two guns, a Glock and Sig Sauer; another gun, a Bushmaster, was found in his car."

Thats the MOST SPECIFIC information I have found.

So.. what are these ' Guns made for war ' you are implicating were used?

Besides asking that, why the need to start politicizing the death of those children? Does it drive you? Do you have this burning desire just to put your point of view down everyone elses throat on a 24/7 basis? Do you take great pleasures in doing these things?

Your better then that.

[djaye]

Originally Posted by canuck2

why is the world so black and white to the gun nuts?

Reasonable laws, background checks and limits on purchasing automatic guns...

Clue : You need an FFL to purchase automatic weapons.

[Tucker_316]

Guns should just stop being produced and they should be outlawed. Have authorities seize all weapons and those who are found to be hiding them will face punishment.

Why there was ever a need to create a device that is used solely to take away life, and has no other function, I'll never know. Sick ****ing world because of sick ****ing people.

[CairnsisGod]

Originally Posted by Mike Tython

Full disclosure: I haven't read through the thread. I started on the last page.

I'm not necessarily calling you out, as I have seen this opinion shared in plenty of other places; however, aren't heroin, meth, coke, etc etc. illegal too? And there's zillions of people who still have easy access to it and use it frequently. There just isn't a way to curtail this sort of nonsense. If some crazy ****ing asshole wants to murder a ridiculous amount of kids, he'll figure out a way to do it. And rest assured he'll get his 15 minutes of fame.

I've seen the question posted a lot too, and this or the "guns don't kill people" is the standard response. I haven't seen anyone answer the question though. What purpose does it serve to have guns in circulation that can fire off 50 rounds a minute? Not gonna hunt with it. Don't need it to protect my home. Why?

[smashem]

The only people that should have guns are cops and the military, Just wonder if all you gun gurus would give yours up today for 20 children.

[cookie monster]

I was in second grade when Columbine happened. I remember the teachers freaking out and running to the Aud till our parents came among got us. At first I didn't understand what happened at all, but after I figured it out, I was terrified to go to school.

I remember my older brother telling me it would be OK and I would be safe. I changed my entire outlook on school and the strangers I went to school with. In middle school, of you didn't play football or sports or dressed "funny", I kept my distance.

From a social view, guns aren't the problem. There are just bad people in this world.

I do think that there is a connection between the rash of gun violence and the US being at
war. Just like the serial killer plague after Vietnam. I'm not sure why, but it seems like it.

[hebbe_25]

[NickDoh]

Like anybody else I have my opinions on everything about this. But re-reading about it this morning just has me fuming all over again. And half of the "fuming" is the completely ludicrous mis-information that's been spilling out in this one. I rarely watch news coverage or hit the "main" sources' websites except in cases like this. It's pretty sickening to read everything today that they got wrong yesterday. Latest being his mom probably WASN'T a teacher there. Glad they could get the body count right and shove microphones in kids faces though.

Also; a subject that gets way too far in to government control and politics serving a purpose in general for me to truly feel comfortable deciding on a set opinion given my big world beliefs; but gun control.... First and most importantly gun "control" is a lot different than gun "bans". Like gun "nuts" get lobbed in to a giant stereotypical group so do gun control advocates also get lobbed in to a giant stereotypical group. It isn't one or the other, there's middle ground.

I have many gun "nut" friends (moreso than not probably). I enjoy guns. I've never hunted, only shot recreationally (is that a word?). But I've never owned a gun just because of the expense of the hobby and me not being sold on the fact a machete/bat/tackle/disregardforownlife isn't good enough home defense in close quarters (and I've had a house I lived in robbed twice in my lifetime). But I damn well believe you should have a gun if you're a responsible adult that wants one.

I dunno it's really complicated and an essay-esque post on a hockey fights website is what I'm nearing if I go on, I dunno! I know that there's no ABSOLUTE solution any of us are comfortable with to stop ALL violent, muchless gun, crime. But simple logic dictates less guns in circulation, less guns criminals have access to... EVENTUALLY. Anything would be "grandfathered" in basically and not be a sweeping magical broom that erases everything before it. Hell you can even get really creepy/wacky/futuristic and start talking about the technology of fingerprint or mircochip ID as to where only the owner can fire the thing. Though I'd warn against more relying on technology to solve problems of human nature. There's middle ground basically is all I'm trying to say and it'll work over time.

The Swiss give Miltia issued assault rifles but control ammo. England bans most but probably has more melee weapon everyday violence than most. Pretty sure Mexico bans weapons and yeah that's working well... But being the USA and doing things the way we tend to do, we should be able to find our own version of something in between and unique. Really hate making it a issue this soon but it's a subject I've always been apathetic to but sure as hell can't stop thinking about now when I see "20 school children killed". The gun didn't kill the kids, the guy behind the gun did. And most gun control laws I'd remotely support wouldn't have stopped him. But there's something worth looking at here.