Willi Plett an innocent victim of circumstance

[mikebflorida]

The videos are not too good but I have it draw, Wilson, draw, draw, draw, draw in those 6 fights. All of them were good, close fights, Willi was a good matchup for Behn.

[flyersvikes]

I would like to know what intangibles Plett holds over Holmgren? Holmgren was a plus player in all but 2 NHL seasons while Plett was a plus player only four times. This stat may be a little deceiving though because of the personel they played with. Holmgren was every bit as nasty though taking on every teams toughest players. I might give Plett the edge in fighting ability but for pure heart I would go with Holmgren, I may be a little bit of a homer but if we went by stats alone Holmgren has the edge there too, although Plett did have slightly better playoff stats. Also for those who saw both plaayers play and still feel Plett was better I can live with that because I liked watching him play a whole lot. Oh yeah, Srehm, I gave credit for the clip to vindigity because that was who's name I saw imbedded on the clip, if I was wrong about that sorry Blockerpunch.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by flamesblackace

Plett was awesome... WORKHORSE!! Equally as good a player as Probie... Crazier than Probie... and I'd have to give the nod to Willie in that Wilson vs Plett clip... Wilson didn't know what hit him and then got thrown to the mat in a 3 point take down

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Amen to that. The Wilson "choir" so over dramatizes these affairs - Agree, Plett was right there - And, it certainly appears that once wasn't enough for Plett as far as Wilson. He looked for him everytime - Thank the good Lord that he didn't read these threads here or he would have run scared, for naught. Wilson defintely wasn't in Plett's head - He could care less. Plett turned somewhat of a pacifist, "matured" hockey player (so he says) by the time he got to Boston

[I like Boobs]

You're so anti Wilson you grasp at any straw you can to put a mark against him. You're certainly much more forgiving and lenient when judging players you like ala Simon who took entire seasons off from fighting. Anything you post about Wilson isn't worth reading because of your hopeless bias.

Also why would I need to listen to another teams commentators? Obviously they will be pro Plett. I SAW the fight. One sided beating for Wilson who tagged him hard. Plett showed up but wasn't interested in trading punches. He wanted to tie up and didn't seem interested in anything other than a take down.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

The videos are not too good but I have it draw, Wilson, draw, draw, draw, draw in those 6 fights. All of them were good, close fights, Willi was a good matchup for Behn.

MF - be careful or the "choir" will order you have your eyes examined - thats the way I see it as well

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by flyersvikes

I would like to know what intangibles Plett holds over Holmgren? Holmgren was a plus player in all but 2 NHL seasons while Plett was a plus player only four times. This stat may be a little deceiving though because of the personel they played with. Holmgren was every bit as nasty though taking on every teams toughest players. I might give Plett the edge in fighting ability but for pure heart I would go with Holmgren, I may be a little bit of a homer but if we went by stats alone Holmgren has the edge there too, although Plett did have slightly better playoff stats. Also for those who saw both plaayers play and still feel Plett was better I can live with that because I liked watching him play a whole lot. Oh yeah, Srehm, I gave credit for the clip to vindigity because that was who's name I saw imbedded on the clip, if I was wrong about that sorry Blockerpunch.

Taking nothing from Holmgren as I call perhaps Phillys most ferocious players, bar none. I just liked Pletts game better - I do believe that Plett was a better and more adept offensive threat than PH

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

You're so anti Wilson you grasp at any straw you can to put a mark against him. You're certainly much more forgiving and lenient when judging players you like ala Simon who took entire seasons off from fighting. Anything you post about Wilson isn't worth reading because of your hopeless bias.

Also why would I need to listen to another teams commentators? Obviously they will be pro Plett. I SAW the fight. One sided beating for Wilson who tagged him hard. Plett showed up but wasn't interested in trading punches. He wanted to tie up and didn't seem interested in anything other than a take down.

First of all, you see it all Wilson, all the time. There is a tender nerve there - Sorry, but you refuse to see things in a different light - takes 2 to tango...glad to see u have ur knickers in a twist. Read some of the more non-biased opinions and decompress before u stroke out. Poor WIlly got jumped by Brown when he was walking with a cane in Boston - No, No you are the one that sees everything through Black/Orange/#3 - I have Wilson in my top 10 - there! as a matter of fact I have him beating Kocur, check the record. All I AM SAYING IS THAT PLETT SHOWED EVERYONE THE SAME AMT OF RESPECT - ZERO!

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

You're so anti Wilson you grasp at any straw you can to put a mark against him. You're certainly much more forgiving and lenient when judging players you like ala Simon who took entire seasons off from fighting. Anything you post about Wilson isn't worth reading because of your hopeless bias.

Also why would I need to listen to another teams commentators? Obviously they will be pro Plett. I SAW the fight. One sided beating for Wilson who tagged him hard. Plett showed up but wasn't interested in trading punches. He wanted to tie up and didn't seem interested in anything other than a take down.

Your analysis is so over the top - Just pleased as punch that Plett enjoyed fighting everyone, no exceptions - no one missing from his card for his era.

[I like Boobs]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

First of all, you see it all Wilson, all the time. There is a tender nerve there - Sorry, but you refuse to see things in a different light - takes 2 to tango...glad to see u have ur knickers in a twist. Read some of the more non-biased opinions and decompress before u stroke out. Poor WIlly got jumped by Brown when he was walking with a cane in Boston - No, No you are the one that sees everything through Black/Orange/#3 - I have Wilson in my top 10 - there! as a matter of fact I have him beating Kocur, check the record. All I AM SAYING IS THAT PLETT SHOWED EVERYONE THE SAME AMT OF RESPECT - ZERO!

I'm not pro-Wilson or pro Flyers at all... I'm one of the few Habs fans on here as my profile clearly states. You're like a goddamned grass hopper jumping from point to point... You stated that Plett was number one power forward of all time and jump from that to Brown and Kocur somehow. What? Your inability to keep one of those 3 guys out of your posts borders on insanity. Plett was a solid power forward no arguments... Not even close to number one. He put up less points and lost to some Guys I've mentioned... Fraser had his number a few times. As far as the Wilson fights - was there one that Plett won? No... He showed up and held on, wrestling in a couple draws and took a couple losses.

Finally, pull the homer card on someone else, I'm about as fair as impartial as it gets when calling a fight. Wilson could drop John Hillworth a thousand times and you'd still call it a slip or some other nonsense.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

I'm not pro-Wilson or pro Flyers at all... I'm one of the few Habs fans on here as my profile clearly states. You're like a goddamned grass hopper jumping from point to point... You stated that Plett was number one power forward of all time and jump from that to Brown and Kocur somehow. What? Your inability to keep one of those 3 guys out of your posts borders on insanity. Plett was a solid power forward no arguments... Not even close to number one. He put up less points and lost to some Guys I've mentioned... Fraser had his number a few times. As far as the Wilson fights - was there one that Plett won? No... He showed up and held on, wrestling in a couple draws and took a couple losses.

Finally, pull the homer card on someone else, I'm about as fair as impartial as it gets when calling a fight. Wilson could drop John Hillworth a thousand times and you'd still call it a slip or some other nonsense.

Did not state Plett was #1 PF of all time - Said I like his energy and that had he played out east his entire career we would be viewing him differently. AS far as the Gordi Howe hat trick, can't think of a better guy that exemplified that better than Plett

Please, cease and desist with your foul language/mouth - as it is unbecoming to a moderator.... You can throw all the mud you want at me, but watch the language. Lead by example, raise the bar! So, Fraser had his number, maybe! Does that nullify Plett's whole career? The guy played with an edge come what may, no exceptions - BTW: Don't see it the way you see it, isn't that refreshing?

[flyersvikes]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Wilson could drop John Hillworth a thousand times and you'd still call it a slip or some other nonsense.

Speaking of John Hilworth, he owns a win over Plett in a short little tilt

Willi Plett vs John Hilworth - YouTube

[I like Boobs]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

If Willi Plett would have started and ended his career in Philly,NY, Montreal – he might very well be sitting at the top of everyone’s top power forward list.


6 - Behn Wilson vs Willi Plett - Fights - YouTube

This is after you edited your post to tone it down... So yes you did post that... My language? Lol... What did I say that offended you? Calling you on your constant flighty ways when confronted with true points you can't answer, because they don't fit in with your crazy agendas. Once again trying to twist a topic into a condemnation of Wilson?

I've said several times that Plett was a solid power forward... I've said several times he suffered from chronic underrating for his time in Atlanta/Calgary NOT Minnesota as you wrongly claimed. Because I won't jump on your bash Wilson brigade, you WRONGLY accuse me of being a Flyers fan lol...

If anyone should be apologizing to the board, it should be you for constantly posting with an agenda... Repeatedly bringing up the Same threads, word for word, year after year... Whining about 3 players, ala 70 plus topics you've created about them over the years.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

This is after you edited your post to tone it down... So yes you did post that... My language? Lol... What did I say that offended you? Calling you on your constant flighty ways when confronted with true points you can't answer, because they don't fit in with your crazy agendas. Once again trying to twist a topic into a condemnation of Wilson?

I've said several times that Plett was a solid power forward... I've said several times he suffered from chronic underrating for his time in Atlanta/Calgary NOT Minnesota as you wrongly claimed. Because I won't jump on your bash Wilson brigade, you WRONGLY accuse me of being a Flyers fan lol...

If anyone should be apologizing to the board, it should be you for constantly posting with an agenda... Repeatedly bringing up the Same threads, word for word, year after year... Whining about 3 players, ala 70 plus topics you've created about them over the years.

Look, let me state for the record once and for all: I have both Brown and Wilson cleanly in my top 10. I am objective enough to see that. As time passes I dobecome more appreciative of everyone including joltin joe Kocur who was freaky strong but not unbeatable. What I dislike about Brown is the way he went about his business, to a lesser degree Wilson. Characterizing me as hating them is just so juvenile. I do believe that Simon would have beat WIlson, and surely beat Brown....that justice is not judiciously applied evenly is a pet peave of mine, i.e. - Joe Kocur gets to the Rags and immediately his defenders state that his right hand is mangled and responsible for his lackluster performances. That is generally accepted. When I make the same case for Simon, regarding his shoulder, I am villified as some sort of Smon nut. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander - I see Simon beating Kocur as well - thats just me.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Look, let me state for the record once and for all: I have both Brown and Wilson cleanly in my top 10. I am objective enough to see that. As time passes I dobecome more appreciative of everyone including joltin joe Kocur who was freaky strong but not unbeatable. What I dislike about Brown is the way he went about his business, to a lesser degree Wilson. Characterizing me as hating them is just so juvenile. I do believe that Simon would have beat WIlson, and surely beat Brown....that justice is not judiciously applied evenly is a pet peave of mine, i.e. - Joe Kocur gets to the Rags and immediately his defenders state that his right hand is mangled and responsible for his lackluster performances. That is generally accepted. When I make the same case for Simon, regarding his shoulder, I am villified as some sort of Smon nut. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander - I see Simon beating Kocur as well - thats just me.

It's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it but in my short time here, I've seen you post several threads and every single one of them seems to slant towards some kind of negative about Joey Kocur, Dave Brown, and Behn Wilson. It seems very obsessive to me.

We do understand you have a bromance for Chris Simon, you have him rated 2nd all time which, in my opinion, is absurd but hey, I have Jim McKenzie ranked 5th all time and Simon in the 30's so some would find that absurd, it is all opinion, after all but I feel I'm being very objective, I'm not a Simon hater, I just rated his skills and he's nowhere close to the top 10. He may have "edged" a guy here or there in the top 10 but so did Mike Eagles. every dog has his day but Wilson(2), Brown(3, and Kocur(10) have a hell of a lot more good days than bad and didn't take entire seasons off from fighting, they were great fighters that are legends in the fight game, that's just the way it is, where is the point of trying to make them look bad?

Hell, anyone can be made to look bad. Ewen caught Probie with a great punch and TKO'd him! Does that make Probert a loser? Nope. Wilson and Brown got punched in the face a few times in their careers along with every single other guy who ever dropped the gloves to fight and I'm ok with that. if you rate guys on skills alone, it takes the bias out of it.

Relax, have some chip and dip, everything's gonna be allright.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

This is after you edited your post to tone it down... So yes you did post that... My language? Lol... What did I say that offended you? Calling you on your constant flighty ways when confronted with true points you can't answer, because they don't fit in with your crazy agendas. Once again trying to twist a topic into a condemnation of Wilson?

I've said several times that Plett was a solid power forward... I've said several times he suffered from chronic underrating for his time in Atlanta/Calgary NOT Minnesota as you wrongly claimed. Because I won't jump on your bash Wilson brigade, you WRONGLY accuse me of being a Flyers fan lol...

If anyone should be apologizing to the board, it should be you for constantly posting with an agenda... Repeatedly bringing up the Same threads, word for word, year after year... Whining about 3 players, ala 70 plus topics you've created about them over the years.

Sorry, much to your shagrin did not edit or state that Plett was the greatest PF of all time