Twist vs Laraque - What's all this then?

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by Juha82

Twist was clean player on the ice.
Also he didnt take too much stupid penalties i know.

He wasn't on the ice so he couldn't take any stupid penalties. He may've been more of a brutal player than Brown . Roids sure didn't help him in that department...if anything it made him slower and even worse.

I had heard that Probert attempted to keep his career alive by "bulking up" and hit 245 lbs...but it just made him even slower. Don't know if that was true, but maybe he was bulking up on cheeseburgers.

[2,5,10GameMatch]

And none of you fukksticks can tell me of someone besides TT, who ever made Probert look bad on more than one occasion.....

Probert got his revenge on everyone except Twist.

That speaks VOLUMES whether it was in the late stages of his career or not.

Twist would kick Laraques ass almost everytime and if he did lose?? he'd come back and smack the shiat out of him, just like that fraidy cat Brashear, wait Brash would have just plain "run".

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

And none of you fukksticks can tell me of someone besides TT, who ever made Probert look bad on more than one occasion.....

Probert got his revenge on everyone except Twist.

That speaks VOLUMES whether it was in the late stages of his career or not.

Twist would kick Laraques ass almost everytime and if he did lose?? he'd come back and smack the shiat out of him, just like that fraidy cat Brashear, wait Brash would have just plain "run".

Twist and Brashear would have been a great fight.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by T800m101

Twist and Brashear would have been a great fight.

During the roid era I see Brashear bailing on Twist

[OneilltheGiant]

Originally Posted by T800m101

Twist and Brashear would have been a great fight.

Again it would of been a 50/50 fight in a series I think it would of gone either way.. Very similar to a Laraque v Twist series.

Both in their prime are very strong fighters with great winning records.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by brad houghton

i can get on TT a bit because i have always felt he had issues with Balance, and accuracy....like a few of us have pointed out most of his punches didn't connect....... they looked impressive from a distance but more bluster than anything......BUT i would like to point out a couple of things i do like about Twister

1st off he had one of the greatest primes ever.....go to DYG and marvel at his prime stetch

but i would like to comment on something more subtle.....the more old video footage of interviews i watch over the years the more i am am impressed with how he embraced his job and had pride in what he did. so often enforcers are great at what they do but wish they could be a regular hockey player....they are often reluctant to talk about their role....some times the guys are a tad bitter......very rarely do they seem legitimatley proud of what they do....often content and thankful but rarely proud.....i really believe Tony was proud of what he did and as a hockey fight fan i really appreciate that because i am proud of them

i think he was great at keeping his team safe and being very serious about it while maintaining a sense of humor about his limited skills....Tony was comfortable in his skin and for my money provides a great roll model for young enforcers (maybe minus his suplements)

i think he was good on and off the ice at marketing the roll of the policeman....when guys called him a goon in an interview or used the term he would simply shrug and say "guys who say goon really don't understand my job"

Tony felt his job played a very important roll in self regulating justice and i think he is bang on....screw with my team mates at your peril!!

Tony as a fighter wasn't my cup of tea from a style perspective but that is a personal preferance.....that has never stopped me from appreciating his attitude and how he has worn the mantle of his craft with pride.....good on you twister you were and are a class act

You are right about twists prime. Not many had the record he did. I am not a huge fan or hater but you cannot deny his strength or power. He was not an accurate puncer at all but not many guys could even stand in there long enough. Its hard to hit a guy when hes bobbing and ducking to save his face.

I cant remember who said it and it may have been Brett Hull but its classic and pays tribute to Twists reputation. " we could have cut out a card board box with a picture of him and stuck it on the bench and we would have been safe".

[Blues 34]

Originally Posted by rondo

You are right about twists prime. Not many had the record he did. I am not a huge fan or hater but you cannot deny his strength or power. He was not an accurate puncer at all but not many guys could even stand in there long enough. Its hard to hit a guy when hes bobbing and ducking to save his face.

I cant remember who said it and it may have been Brett Hull but its classic and pays tribute to Twists reputation. " we could have cut out a card board box with a picture of him and stuck it on the bench and we would have been safe".

It was either Hull of Geoff Courtnall I think. It was in an SI article on Twist.

[Tucker_316]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

And none of you fukksticks can tell me of someone besides TT, who ever made Probert look bad on more than one occasion.....

Probert got his revenge on everyone except Twist.

That speaks VOLUMES whether it was in the late stages of his career or not.

Twist would kick Laraques ass almost everytime and if he did lose?? he'd come back and smack the shiat out of him, just like that fraidy cat Brashear, wait Brash would have just plain "run".

Twist was a roid freak and a juice monster. An overrated fighter who had to cheat to improve. Pre-roids the guy was average at best.

Loved watch "the animal" Todd Ewen beat the crap out of him.

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by Tucker_316

Twist was a roid freak and a juice monster. An overrated fighter who had to cheat to improve. Pre-roids the guy was average at best.

Loved watch "the animal" Todd Ewen beat the crap out of him.

You really don't expect anyone to take you seriously, do you?

Twist destroyed Ewen in round 1, and the second time they fought, Ewen dropped Twist, but Twist still managed to mangle his face. Ewen never "beat the crap out of him" as you say.

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by Blues 34

It was either Hull of Geoff Courtnall I think. It was in an SI article on Twist.

According to Tony Twist in the foreward of the book "The Code" it was Craig MacTavish. This is how Twist tells it on page xiv:
"My teammate Craig MacTavish paid me a great compliment one time when he told me that I had become so good at my job that after a while they didn't even need me anymore. He said they needed to just put a cardboard cutout of me down at the end of the bench like a scarecrow. That would be enough for the opposition to behave, he said. It was very gratifying to hear"

That's what Twist wrote in the foreward of the book anyway.

[blockerpunch]

Originally Posted by T800m101

You really don't expect anyone to take you seriously, do you?

Twist destroyed Ewen in round 1, and the second time they fought, Ewen dropped Twist, but Twist still managed to mangle his face. Ewen never "beat the crap out of him" as you say.

T800m101,

I like Tony Twist too, the way his muscles would bulge after a fight and his nostrils would flare... the way he'd stare down his opponents with those coal black bedroom eyes of his before he would punish them...

I don't mind you digging Tony Twist as he truly was one of the best but out of curiosity is there anyone you think Twist would lose to?

I don't think Ewen destroyed him Tucker 3:16 but he clearly buckled Twist in that tilt. Credit to Twist for cutting Ewen but that was a clear win for Todd in my book. Twist mocking Ewen for being cut was just poor sportsmanship and him trying to make it appear that he won the fight when he knew deep down he got buckled.

I think Twist would beat Laraque in a series. Straight up Laraque is the king of fighting not to lose, Twist is one of the last warriors who fought to win. Twist in his prime was strong enough to not get rag dolled by Laraque like everyone else .Laraque would be gun shy (like most others who fought Twist) about catching one of those widow maker fists that rarely landed flush but when they did could be deadly.

Interesting also how both of these guys had in my opinion their most dominant showings against Rob Ray.

YouTube - Georges Laraque vs Rob Ray

YouTube - Tony Twist vs Rob Ray

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by blockerpunch

I don't think Ewen destroyed him Tucker 3:16 but he clearly buckled Twist in that tilt. Credit to Twist for cutting Ewen but that was a clear win for Todd in my book. Twist mocking Ewen for being cut was just poor sportsmanship and him trying to make it appear that he won the fight when he knew deep down he got buckled.

I agree with you on Twist's bad sportsmanship. He'd go absolutely ballistic even after the fight was clearly finished. There are fights where he made the lineman's job a lot more difficult than it needed to be.

Not to mention the fact that Twist never lost a fight straight up if you listened to him. YOu have to love the way the guy embraced his job, but he was way too hyper-sensitive about losing. Check out the book "Bad Boys" by Stan Fischler. Each fight he lost he had an excuse. Either he was jumped or he was at the end of a shift or whatever. To me he came off as being sort of a baby with that stuff.

And he did lose that fight to Ewen straight up. He was dropped by a solid punch. No doubt about it. And landing a punch when you are flat on your back doesn't add up to a victory, even if you do cut the man.

[ewen21]

The second Twist-Ewen fight. To me this is a win for Ewen. He dropped him pure and simple. WHat Twist might have done while he was on his back is completely irrelevant. IN fact, I can't be sure if Ewen didn't suffer a helmet cut:

YouTube - tony Twist vs Ewen

The first fight. Clear win here for Twist....But here again is an example of Twist fighting through the linesman even when the fight was over. He wrote the foreward in the book "The Code" by the way.

YouTube - Twist vs Ewen Round 1

[hammer26]

Originally Posted by Mox MOx

By all means correct me if I´wrong, but I´ve never heard of Twist running from anybody on the ice, especially during the later stages of his NHL career.

I wish there was some way to get a clip of it. It was within 10 games of Kocur's return to the red wings (1996 or early 1997, he was signed in december) Anyhow, the wings were in St louis. Konstantinov laid a nasty elbow on a blues forward and almost immediately Twist absolutely SMOKED Fetisov with a wicked bodycheck right in front of the Blues bench, everyone on the bench stood up to look, probably because they thought Fetisov was dead. Kocur came on the ice and skated directly over to Twist, keep in mind Joey was freshly back with the team and in those first months pretty eager to prove his value. Joey got right up in his face, I mean like 1 inch from nose to nose. He was clearly arms down gloves hanging in traditional Joey fashion and Twister wanted none of it. I remember this so clearly because I was watching it with both my brothers and all 3 of us were on our feet in the living room ready to explode when we saw what might happen. Twister went off the ice right afterwords and Joey could clearly be seen skating by the wings bench shrugging his shoulders as if to say "I tried". Since we were watching the detroit feed on Fox50 wkbd, Mickey Redmond was of course frothing all over his mic and just a dissapointed as everyone else that nothing happened. He kept talking about it for minutes afterwords and the camera even cut to Joey on the bench laughing with teamates then standing up to give the St. Louis bench a stare down. Twister never say another shift that entire game and everytime Joey was on the ice Mickey Redmond was mentioning that there was "no twister to be found".

I'm going to at least figure out the date of the game and see if somehow anyone might have it on video.

[T800m101]

I don't mind you digging Tony Twist as he truly was one of the best but out of curiosity is there anyone you think Twist would lose to?

I see a prime Brown and Brashear that could potentially give Twist some problems.