Robin Bawa vs Todd Gill - a TKO, really?

[2,5,10GameMatch]

9 reviewer's on another "fight site" called the 96-97 bout between Twist and Todd Ewen a "win by TKO" for Ewen, yet to me it looked like Twist had a balance issue there with momentum taking him to the ice PLUS he was flailing away like a cornered rat from his back.....I guess it all comes down to ones "definition of a TKO"....To me this Gill fight in question was much more cut and dried than the Ewen-Twist encounter.

I had to look and see what the reviews of this fight were on that same site out of curiousity and 3 out of 5 reviewers called it a TKO win for Gill, ironically one of the poster's who didnt had a similar name to the creator of this thread.

[2,5,10GameMatch]

Originally Posted by ewen21

This is where we run into problems, Steve. This was not a TKO. Gill landed a nice one (a couple of nice ones) but it took the momentum of Bawa missing with that right and Gill forcing all his weight down on him to create the takedown. The punch itself did not make the TKO.

A lot of us have learned to be wary when you describe fights certain fighters have. I know that when you start talking about Wendel Clark, Bob McGill or Todd Gill fights that haven't been seen by almost everyone it's best to find another source. I hate to say it, but I just can't take your word on anything when it comes to these guys. Especially when it comes to phantom fights you claim to have happened that no one else can actually verify. It's as if you are trying to pad their records or something. It's not fair, but stuff like this makes it so that I start to resent these guys:
"....had it gone on Gill would have left him a plasmic, unconcious heap."


Zoli linked it up and everyone sees it here so the video renders your biased claim and ridiculous embellishment worthless. Just stop doing it. You're better than that

I dont appreciate being called a liar either, what 'phantom fights" are you talking about?? name me ONE??

I have no trouble admitting "my guys losses", Tinordi beat Clark twice,Rouse kicked his ass in the first fight..... Mike Hartman of all people knocked out Bob McGill,Jim Korn beat on him like he had never been in a fight..... Behn Wilson trashed Todd Gill, so did Willi Plett, so what??

I do guess it was a total fluke that the only fight Clark lost out of 4 to Probert happened on one of those nights he had to have the trainer tighten his skates before the game?? ironically it was Todd Gill who disclosed that fact in an interview.....I wasnt the only one who saw/heard him say that.....so whatever Ralph, just put me on ignore since im so full of ****.

I've been a fight fanatic since I was a skinny little boy, and I have the memory of an Elephant.....many years...... 1976, the Flyers brought their violence to Toronto in the playoffs, that started it all for me, hooked ever since.

[Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

Uhhhhhhh, what fight were you watching?? Bawa got DROPPED!! absolutely TKO'ed, the fight was done when the left landed.

Yea sure Bawa "could have continued", lol...getting his face punched in on the ice.

He was unable to defend himself from the punch that put him down, had it gone on Gill would have left him a plasmic, unconcious heap.

What Todd Gill did there was flawlessly switch hands and end the fight with the first punch on the switch, no one did it better, Bawa had 30 lbs on him to boot, this thread should really be called "The Beauty of Todd Gill". Perhaps the best pound for pounder to ever play, this guy was 175lbs FFS!!

Is plasmic even a word?

[Cat Smasher]

To me, in hockey, a TKO/KD are really the same thing. Ie, a punch ended the fight without being knocked out cold, regardless of how.

So TKO/KD win Gill.

[Machinehead2k5]

So us Indians have a few that don't like the non-violence protest way. KD Gill.

[Gunslinger]

I think that semantics aside, we all agree that it was a dominant showing by Todd Gill, who probably does'nt get enough props around the site anyway.

[The DZA]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Gill was a killer for his size though, criminally underrated by times.

co-sign

It almost seemed as though only his teammates and Leaf fans understood that he was an excellent fighter, especially given his size.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by Cat Smasher

To me, in hockey, a TKO/KD are really the same thing. Ie, a punch ended the fight without being knocked out cold, regardless of how.

So TKO/KD win Gill.

KD don't always end the fight though and sometimes the refs step in only to end the fight while the fighters appear to be fine.

[Cat Smasher]

Originally Posted by rondo

KD don't always end the fight though and sometimes the refs step in only to end the fight while the fighters appear to be fine.

Well ya, if the knock down didn't end the fight, then it wouldn't be a knock down that ended the fight.

[rondo]

Originally Posted by Cat Smasher

Well ya, if the knock down didn't end the fight, then it wouldn't be a knock down that ended the fight.

Understand and agree with you're logic but what I'm saying is if a guy gets KD and bounces right back up and wants to fight on but the stripes end the fight. How would you score that 1)tko 2)KD win 3) premature stoppage .

[Cat Smasher]

Originally Posted by rondo

Understand and agree with you're logic but what I'm saying is if a guy gets KD and bounces right back up and wants to fight on but the stripes end the fight. How would you score that 1)tko 2)KD win 3) premature stoppage .

Well as above TKO/KD same thing in a hockey fight. Too many variables to say. But if the ref stops two willing combatants, that's a whole other story.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by Cat Smasher

Well as above TKO/KD same thing in a hockey fight. Too many variables to say. But if the ref stops two willing combatants, that's a whole other story.

Most obvious example is when Brashear hit Laraque and Laraque went down, he popped right back up, more than willing to keep fighting but the refs stepped in.

People want to give Brashear a TKO win which is absurd, the fight was stopped prematurely, if anything.

In the case of Gill/Bawa, Gill NAILS Bawa flush in the face with a punch and he goes down, refs step in, fight over= TKO.

Yes, there is a difference. Laraque wasn't hurt at all, Bawa was.