Question for Bigjack Carkner - Fotiu

[GOON 21]

Originally Posted by RetardedChimp

I skimmed through the thread and one thing that seems overlooked by BJ is that not only did Carkner do the right thing in that game, Dubinsky also got tossed because of it.

Carkner for Dubinsky in a playoff game? Sens would make that tradeoff all day long. You are flat out delusional if you think otherwise.

Not to mention the coach personally thanked Carkner first chance he got in the locker room. It seems no one has an issue with what Carkner did except BJ. As this thread shows, if that was Fotiu doing what Carkner did, BJ's opinion would be way different.

Thats a fair point Chimp


but lets remember guys that Carkner is a servicable Dman, no hes not Orr, Coffey, lol but hes a decent stay at home Dman who keeps things clear in front of the net, (6th Dman) hes not a total slob


He also made that play coming out of the penalty box that got the Sens the lead in the game. That scrap with Boyle did 'spark the team' a lil bit, it CLEARLY did, so i think Carkner's presence was a plus overall for the sens

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Morning Wood

I will gladly buy you a plane ticket...

I see you are already lying. You said you were gonna ignore me! First you were crying and now you are lying!
Viagra Wood!

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Johnny Pie

BJ again my whole point to this is the completly different standards and logic you use when talking about Fotiu and other fighters. You never get to the fact that you are belittling Carkner and what he did by suggesting his team SHOWED HIM THE DOOR AND Didn't think he was that important if they didn't play him in game 7. With Fotiu two different managment teams showed him the door and he never played in the playoffs. Why ? I am saying if Fotiu ever did in a game what Carkner did [ That being go after someone who abused his teammate ] you would be ranting about what an important part of the team he was. How much courage he gives his team, what a turning point in the series it was. Problem is Fotiu didn't do it and Carkner did. You always bring up what Fotiu's teammates say, how he gave them courage and so on. Well my friend Carkners Coach and at least 4 players in articles that I read gave Carkner credit for turning the series around. But again the double standard what Carkners teammates say is not important only what Nick's friends say mean anything. Be fair my boy, be fair.

I saw the Rangers with Fotiu in the lineup destroy the toughest team from that era in 3 seperate series in the playoffs!
10 wins in 12 games and outscoring the Flyers 65-32 with Nick in the lineup was dominate!
Last I looked Carkner's team lost to the Rangers and he is now with the Islanders a last place team!
Ottawa offered him one year at around $700,000.
Like I wrote, you applaud and embrace stupid hockey players and I like intelligent hockey players!
It is what it is!

[Morning Wood]

Originally Posted by bigjack

I see you are already lying. You said you were gonna ignore me! First you were crying and now you are lying!
Viagra Wood!

That was with respect to the other thread... there is no use carrying a conversation with you as you fail to acknowledge anyone else's point of view... and I didn't necessarily respond directly to any of the comments you made other than to say, if you wanted to test your theory about jumping out of the plane without a parachute, I would gladly buy you a ticket.

You are an arrogant, condescending individual so you opinion of me means little. A little advice... take a reading comprehension class as you seem to miss any and all points made by individuals who want to have a rational debate/discussion... on second thought, you may have a career as a politician... and so you don't take this the wrong way... it is not a complement. Wanna book that flight now?

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Morning Wood

That was with respect to the other thread... there is no use carrying a conversation with you as you fail to acknowledge anyone else's point of view... and I didn't necessarily respond directly to any of the comments you made other than to say, if you wanted to test your theory about jumping out of the plane without a parachute, I would gladly buy you a ticket.

You are an arrogant, condescending individual so you opinion of me means little. A little advice... take a reading comprehension class as you seem to miss any and all points made by individuals who want to have a rational debate/discussion... on second thought, you may have a career as a politician... and so you don't take this the wrong way... it is not a complement. Wanna book that flight now?

I really don't care what you think or post! How is that? Go back to your little room and sit in your draws and be a PC tough guy!

[Morning Wood]

Originally Posted by bigjack

I really don't care what you think or post! How is that? Go back to your little room and sit in your draws and be a PC tough guy!

Take your meds and grow up... I am done with you... in this thread. Clear? And instead of responding to me there were a few additional posts calling out flaws in your theory... address them, not me... gotta go take my viagra now... lol.

[GOON 21]

Originally Posted by bigjack

I saw the Rangers with Fotiu in the lineup destroy the toughest team from that era in 3 seperate series in the playoffs!
10 wins in 12 games and outscoring the Flyers 65-32 with Nick in the lineup was dominate!
Last I looked Carkner's team lost to the Rangers and he is now with the Islanders a last place team!
Ottawa offered him one year at around $700,000.
Like I wrote, you applaud and embrace stupid hockey players and I like intelligent hockey players!
It is what it is!

bigjack your embracing some things that dont matter in the grand scheme of thing, think for a second -- Ok Ottawa let him go and he went to the Isles for more $$ (The Isles had a 'need' for a rough-tough Dman) this has happened TONZ in the past in the NHL and other sports


It doesnt mean that hes a bad or ineffective player, in fact it means his services were 'wanted' by another employer (A couple of teams including Colorado wanted him as well, very badly) -- so in essence its saying the opposite, WTH wrong with you? I thought you were a fan of capitalism


Hes a servicable usefull 6th Dman whos 1 of the toughest/snarling players in the game, there are still teams that have a need for this type of payer (Thankfully!!! We have enough pansy/softy players) He wont be used at crunchtime, or the Powerplay but so what? ALOT of players dont fit that bill --- the guy brings energy emotion and passion to his team and this is something the Isles have needed


Whats the problem with that type player? Again im not saying hes great, but he is a guy who you can play 8-12 minutes and play a strong/physical game. I think we need MORE of these players, im not sure wth your barking at


and if he really "sucks so bad' then your Rags should be happier hes on the Isles, no?

[Johnny Pie]

Originally Posted by bigjack

I saw the Rangers with Fotiu in the lineup destroy the toughest team from that era in 3 seperate series in the playoffs!
10 wins in 12 games and outscoring the Flyers 65-32 with Nick in the lineup was dominate!
Last I looked Carkner's team lost to the Rangers and he is now with the Islanders a last place team!
Ottawa offered him one year at around $700,000.
Like I wrote, you applaud and embrace stupid hockey players and I like intelligent hockey players!
It is what it is!

Again giving credit to someone who did nothing. no fights, no goals, nothing.
If I am not mistaken the Rangers did beat the Flyers a few other times in the 80's playoffs WIHOUT NICK, BEAT THE ISLES WHO WERE A DAMN TOUGH FIGHTING TEAM WITHOUT NICK. I am not going to rehash the tired stories again just want you not to belittle a player who actually did something. And on top of that the logic you use destroys your own hero if you don't use a double standard. Admit it if Fotiu did what Carkner did [beat the crap out of someone who abused your top player] you would be using it to show how tough he was. How everyone avoided him because they were scared. How the series changed after he pounded the puss who went after a non fighter. I just want you to see how one way you see things. Don't like when posters get personal. I think it is retarded. I have nothing against you, just think you should be fair when putting a player down.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Johnny Pie

I just want you to see how one way you see things. .

Good luck with that.

[Lucy Brown]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Carkner did IMO.

The Sens have an absolute gem of a defenseman that was being roughed up by a guy who is 6'7 and shouldn't be roughing up their all-star who can't defend himself. That's absolutely why we have tough guys in the league, so the super stars have the room that they need to do their thing.

Carkner went out and gave it to Boyle, and Boyle didn't bother fighting back... laying down at 6'7 is a coward's move... especially when he knew why he was facing the music.

Carkner sent the message and did what a good teammate was supposed to do in defense of their superstar. It was a prototypical example of GOOD enforcing and sent the message that Karlsson was not to be ****ed with... Karlsson wasn't bothered after that, and Boyle wasn't nearly as much of a factor. As a player, Carkner played well for a bottom pairing defenseman, but he wasn't the reason the Senators lost... The Sens lost because they weren't as deep as the Rangers, Lundquist stood on his head, and they didn't have enough secondary scoring (i.e. depth).

That is a very stupid comment. It is the smart play. He drew a 5 min major in a f'ing playoff game. He did go on the fight Neil later in the game so he is obviously not a coward. If anything Carkner is the coward for the Pearl Harbor job he did on Boyle. How about you sqaure off with the guy instead of attacking him from the side.

[I like Boobs]

Ok Lucy, you believe what you want... But when the 6'7 coward laid on the ice, it sparked the Senators who won the game. Can't believe people are calling this cowards move "smart."

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by bigjack

No logic and fuc*en stupid! What coach in an important playoff game would instruct his player to go out there and take a major 5 minute powerplay for the team!
It's beyond stupid!
Give it a rest!
Enforcing is engaging a guy and fighting him in an intelligent smart manner like Neil did with Boyle!
Acting like a cement head good moron may be something that you think is smart hockey but any intelligent fan or coach sure as hell doesn't!
Learn the game for chrissakes!

Maybe the coach of the Senators didn't think Boyle would turtle like a little girl and act like the tough guy he was pretending to be versus the 165 pound Karlsson?

[I like Boobs]

As far as that goes with regards to Neil, he has SIX inches and THIRTY pounds on him. Half a foot, and the weight of a 3 year old on Neil. And he basically bailed in the Neil fight as well really... throws one punch and falls down. Funny how poor his balance got there.

The bottom line is Boyle is a horrible fighter and a coward for his size. He roughed up a superstar defenseman (guy won the Norris trophy), and than was too much of a ***** to man up for his actions. Christ the guy has been beaten by Theo Peckham and ended up in a turtle position against BRAYDEN COBURN of all people.

For the record, I very much dislike Brian Boyle.

[cookie monster]

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown

That is a very stupid comment. It is the smart play. He drew a 5 min major in a f'ing playoff game. He did go on the fight Neil later in the game so he is obviously not a coward. If anything Carkner is the coward for the Pearl Harbor job he did on Boyle. How about you sqaure off with the guy instead of attacking him from the side.

That smart play got Dubinsky thrown out, arguably one of the most important forwards the Rangers have. Not only did he embarrass himself, but Boyles actions may have cost the Rangers a chance to win without Dubinsky.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by bigjack

I saw the Rangers with Fotiu in the lineup destroy the toughest team from that era in 3 seperate series in the playoffs!
10 wins in 12 games and outscoring the Flyers 65-32 with Nick in the lineup was dominate!
Last I looked Carkner's team lost to the Rangers and he is now with the Islanders a last place team!
Ottawa offered him one year at around $700,000.
Like I wrote, you applaud and embrace stupid hockey players and I like intelligent hockey players!
It is what it is!

BJ why even respond? These jackalopes never saw NF live they have nothing but 20/20 hindsight and that from the scant video - I know exactly what u r talking about because I witnessed it live and un-edited : Bottom line: Wilson ran, ran like a scalded dog from fotiu - why? can't tell ya - but, it did happen - time after time - this is what is known in the investigative world as a "slam dunk"