Playfair vs Nilan all 5 fights!

[nighthawk]

Originally Posted by bzane

Aaaaah, don't sell yourself short!

Best-of-10, I see you going 8-1-1 against Seiling. I still have lying around somewhere his Hockey News column, "The Best of the Beast", wherein Seiling admitted, "Nighthawk! That's the one dude I would NEVER mess with. Even MY weak little chin would start to tremble when I'd see THAT freak come onto the ice!"

You, and maybe a prime Probert, are the only two guys who could take The Beast, IMHO. Of course, I don't mean the 'roided-up Beast who got up to like 167 late in his career.

Shemp be Da Man.

Thanks for the kind words Zane and after reading your post I honestly believe that I could take Bob Probert, John Wensink, Mike Tyson, Gary Busey or even the roided up version of The Beast!

I guess only you and I know that The Beast was the real deal and saw first hand the fear that he instilled in the NHL back in his day!

Hell he pretty much owned the Flyers and could hear a pin drop whenever he patrolled the ice at the Spectrum!

And who could forget the game where he scratched Dave Schultz to a bloody pulp! Tore off Bob "The Hound" Kelly's side burns and called him "Fleabag" to add insult to injury! Engaged in a brutal hair pulling contest with Don Saleski that went on for about 40 minutes in which he came out the winner! And also gave Moose Dupont a wedgie for good measure!

Guys like Maloney, Nystrom, Kurtenbach, Gillies, Harris and Battleship Kelly would tremble with fear whenever Seiling took the ice! And arguably would have remained the heavyweight champ if it wasn't for that unfortunate incident where he got his pompadour stuck in the goalie's net after getting into a wild wrestling match with Bruce MacGregor where he was never the same again!

A lot of people don't know that Nick Fotiu grew up idolizing The Beast!

Even Dave Brown who had a considerable height advantage over Seiling in skates admitted that he was relieved that The Beast was retired when he started to play! And even said that Seiling was by far the toughest Swede that ever laced up the skates!

The Beast was certainly in a class of his own!

[bzane]

Holy Mo- that was not only funny (I loved that wedgie part), but it had allusions to about fifty recent posts in it!

Great stuff, thanks Hawk!

[BENNETTWOLF]

I liked Dave Brown's height advantage in skates

[Carkner]

Originally Posted by nighthawk

Even Dave Brown who had a considerable height advantage over Seiling in skates admitted that he was relieved that The Beast was retired when he started to play! And even said that Seiling was by far the toughest Swede that ever laced up the skates!

snicker

[Stan Jonathan#1]

And another point Battleship. See this thread! Most people including Pathogical liar 2,5,10 have stated Playfair dominated or owned Chris Nilan. This was not the case. Therre might have been a few fights missing but you would see the same as this. Nilan was VERY tough and found a way. He is like McSOrley. You have stated several times that Playfair knocked Nilan out or something. It NEVER HAPPENED. If it did it is not here and Nilan proved right here he fought Playfair straight up despite hearing otherwise! See my point?! There are a lot of myths and flat out lies here Gillies/O'reilly and Playfair/Nilan are two of MANY. You will not answer Battle, instead you rather THANK pathelogical liar 2,5,10 all day and have him do the same thru your favorites and myths. Another one exposed.

[Juha82]

Even serie between two good warrior.
Playfair won clearly one fight.
Nilan won first bout.
2 good draws.

Nilan had dull style to fight but hes effective.
Playfair was very good fighter.

[Juha82]

Originally Posted by Stan Jonathan#1

Been waiting for the Battleship25 "anaylsis" and he did not disappoint. Thanks. Top 50? You can make a case that Nilan is wayyyy higher than that if you want. I think he is in the top 1/2 if that four sure. He found a way to win most and he fought a great great card too. This guy is underrated. His style hurts him because he was not exciting but he had a lot going for him, stamina, uses both hands, great card, adapted to different styles, beat some great fighters for sure, longevity, and more. I agree he was a bully and cheap fighter at times but at the same time he fought them all. He did enjoy going after Nevin Markwart, suckering Paul boutelier, and butt ending Rick Middleton but fought them all such as Dave Brown and Larry Playfair who he fought about 15 times between them. YIKES. He won many against these two despite giving away a lot of size.

Guys, here is another myth. Please give me your opinions. The myth is that Jay Miller dominated or at least beat Chris Nilan most of the times. I did not see it that way. I have it like very even. Nilan did well and I see some of those fights that Miller is being said to win but I have it even or maybe even Nilan. Nilan again very much held his own against Miller. I maybe give him a little edge too in some of those fights. I might post them and get some opinions.


In this series, it is tough to call and some of you have it Playfair 2-1-1 while admitting you hated Nilan. Everybody hates Chris Nilan. LOL. I got no problem with a close decision for Playfair here but Nilan was right there. Playfair was a great fighter at this time and one of the all time great too. I remember Nilan during an interview say that some fans yell at him but most of the time it is from across the street. The he stopped as if to say...Say it to my face instead of across the street. I cannot believe he was challenging fans almost to a fight on the local news in his hometown. That is Chris Nilan. He was so hateable. He was chippy and dirty and was a bully and had that "**** you: attitude on his face all the time.

I have ranked C.Nilan to my Top20 all the time list.

[Stan Jonathan#1]

Bump for Battlehip and his myths of Playfair knocking out Nilan and Ruskowski and Vaivee beating Jonathan.

Originally Posted by Stan Jonathan#1

And another point Battleship. See this thread! Most people including Pathogical liar 2,5,10 have stated Playfair dominated or owned Chris Nilan. This was not the case. Therre might have been a few fights missing but you would see the same as this. Nilan was VERY tough and found a way. He is like McSOrley. You have stated several times that Playfair knocked Nilan out or something. It NEVER HAPPENED. If it did it is not here and Nilan proved right here he fought Playfair straight up despite hearing otherwise! See my point?! There are a lot of myths and flat out lies here Gillies/O'reilly and Playfair/Nilan are two of MANY. You will not answer Battle, instead you rather THANK pathelogical liar 2,5,10 all day and have him do the same thru your favorites and myths. Another one exposed.

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by Stan Jonathan#1

Bump for Battlehip and his myths of Playfair knocking out Nilan and Ruskowski and Vaivee beating Jonathan.

I address this point in the other thread (Jona-Nyst-Jack)...read it and weep SJ

[Stan Jonathan#1]

Originally Posted by battleship25

I address this point in the other thread (Jona-Nyst-Jack)...read it and weep SJ

Again more meager evidence that Playfair ko'ed Nilan or something close. I showed the series that Nilan very much held his own. Nilan rarely got knocked down. It is kind of easy to be skeptical. Playfair was a great fighter and could have. Easy to be skeptical however.

Playfair did not own Nilan. This much is obvious. Any comment on the many posters who said he did? Nilan took him on toe to toe and held his own. ANd if we saw the rest of their fights he would do the same.
Chris Nilan is a great fighter and underrated. I do not like the guy but simply give props where it is due.

[Carkner]

Originally Posted by Stan Jonathan#1

Again more meager evidence that Playfair ko'ed Nilan or something close. I showed the series that Nilan very much held his own. Nilan rarely got knocked down. It is kind of easy to be skeptical. Playfair was a great fighter and could have. Easy to be skeptical however.

I'm going to give you props here, SJ. This is the way you should state things more often, like you did here. Playfair could have knocked out Nilan, so you can't say IT NEVER HAPPENED, like you have before. You stated your doubts it happened and thats fine. You say that you are skeptical, you give props to Playfair and say he was a great puncher and it would not be impossible, but you leave it at "Until there is more evidence I choose to believe that this didn't happen". That's the way a smart man talks. You're welcome

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by Stan Jonathan#1

Bump for Battlehip and his myths of Playfair knocking out Nilan and Ruskowski and Vaivee beating Jonathan.

Hey that was 2,5,10's myth of Vaive beating Jonathan.

[BENNETTWOLF]

The wierd thing about the "alleged" defeat of Jonathan by Vaive is that: no, it isn't listed on DYG in stan's tenure in Pittsburgh but they did fight when SJ was in Boston. I noticed it yesterday when i was checking to see what percentage of Jonathan and Nystrom's fights i had seen.

For the old legends, 44-79 for stan and 76-127 for "thor" isn't bad. I'm probably actually forgetting a few. I'd be inclined to say over 50 percent isn't bad. A lot better than Ruskowski.................that's one guy whose career refused to be filmed

Maybe that's part of the rationale that makes some refuse to accept a possible loss by jonathan to "roscoe". It's not that much of a stretch, especially if stan had difficulty with Jim Nill. By all accounts, terry ruskowski was a decidedly superior fighter than the gritty, game Nill.

It's part of what makes our hobby fun, the tidbits of info. Video of Playfair hurting Ruskowski isn't common but i'm glad that i'm aware of it. Just more grist for the mill. Comments by Rich Preston about TR's prowess are well known but it is funny that outside of the good fight with Howatt and a win over Tocchet..............not too much on ruskowski is very common.

[Stan Jonathan#1]

Originally Posted by BENNETTWOLF

The wierd thing about the "alleged" defeat of Jonathan by Vaive is that: no, it isn't listed on DYG in stan's tenure in Pittsburgh but they did fight when SJ was in Boston. I noticed it yesterday when i was checking to see what percentage of Jonathan and Nystrom's fights i had seen.

For the old legends, 44-79 for stan and 76-127 for "thor" isn't bad. I'm probably actually forgetting a few. I'd be inclined to say over 50 percent isn't bad. A lot better than Ruskowski.................that's one guy whose career refused to be filmed

Maybe that's part of the rationale that makes some refuse to accept a possible loss by jonathan to "roscoe". It's not that much of a stretch, especially if stan had difficulty with Jim Nill. By all accounts, terry ruskowski was a decidedly superior fighter than the gritty, game Nill.

It's part of what makes our hobby fun, the tidbits of info. Video of Playfair hurting Ruskowski isn't common but i'm glad that i'm aware of it. Just more grist for the mill. Comments by Rich Preston about TR's prowess are well known but it is funny that outside of the good fight with Howatt and a win over Tocchet..............not too much on ruskowski is very common.

Nill was at the end of his career when Jonathan slowed down. Ruskowski was in 79-80 when Jonathan did not lose. That is the difference. That was vintage Jonathan. Jonathan had a great card that year beating Nilan, Clackson, Behn Wilson, Stewardt, Howatt and more. Jonathan did not lose that year (even idiots DYG had him undefeated) or the two previous years and you have Ruskowski in the middle of the card. Hmmmmmmmm. Jonathan slowed at the end and had weaker fights against Nill and Maxwell but they were at the end. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Stan Jonathan#1]

Originally Posted by battleship25

Hey that was 2,5,10's myth of Vaive beating Jonathan.

You are damn right it is a myth. I actually have been PMed by some of the best posters here who told me that no way did Vaive beat Jonathan, That was nice but you did not have to tell me that. LOL.

What I am saying Battle is there are a lot of myths. Gillies destroying O"reilly and Playfair "owning" Nilan and many more. You just cannot believe everything you hear. I also disagree with some decisions on fights we see. Some posters have a winner or big edge and I sometimes disagree. The point is Battle, you have to see it yourself. The better fighters and big punchers often get the benefit of the doubt. You have to be skeptical until you see it with your own eyes.