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[Churla22]

Originally Posted by timetoshine

Considering the 7 year difference in their age, they actually fought many of the same guys. I can only evaluate the 2 of them based on fights against the same competition. They both fought Wendel Clark more than once and Clark is quoted as saying Behn Wilson is the best he ever fought.

vs Wendel Clark --Wilson was 2-0; Probert maybe 2-2 IMO.
vs Chris Nilan -- Wilson 3-0 by wide margin; Probert 0-1
vs Marty McSorley -- Wilson 1-0; Probert 3-0-1 vs the steroid version
vs Curt Fraser -- Wilson 1-0; Probert 1-1-2
vs Clark Gillies -- Wilson 2-0; Probert's fight against Gillies a non-event
vs Kevin McClelland -- Wilson 0-1; Probert 1-0-1
vs Bob McGill -- Wilson 2-0; Probert 3-0
vs Basil McRae -- Wilson 2-0; Probert 0-0-1
vs Joel Otto -- Wilson 1-0; Probert vs Otto a non-event
vs Willi Plett -- Wilson 2-1-2; Probert 1-0-1 in serious trouble at start of 1st fight
vs Dave Semenko -- Wilson 1-0; Probert 1-1. Even though Probert got jumped in the first fight I was surprised he still didn't score a comeback win

It's impossible to try to do a parallel comparison because the fights Wilson is best known for took place between 1979 and 1984 where Probert's were about 1990 to 1995. You do have to take into account that Wilson fought many of the above mentioned guys when they were younger and stronger than they were by the time they faced Probert. Certainly that's the case with Semenko, Plett, McRae, Gillies, Fraser and Nilan. I also have my doubts Probert could have handled Barry Beck in Beck's prime . Beck only lost one fight in his NHL career and that was at MSG to Behn Wilson

On the flip side, Probert fought a much bigger and stronger McSorley than Wilson had to deal with.

While I understand the common opponents theory, Wilson's fight card pales in comparison to Probie's, and you can't simply dismiss 300 fights. Again, while total speculation, its safe to assume that if you tacked on an additional200 fights to Wilson's resume, while adding in the monsters Probert faced throughout his career, Behn's W-L-D percentages would look a bit different.

[GIANTSFAN]

Bob Probert...could fight anyway you wanted & usually won. No real weakness. Took on anyone til the day he retired.
Donald Brashear..strong as an ox & a great lefty. Dropped many tough guys & only lost once really bad. Longest rein as the NHL champ.
Dave Brown...best left hander in the NHL. Dropped many guys. Feared.
Georges Laraque...exceptionally strong. Great fighter, huge & feared by many.
Stu Grimson...really bulked up, made a huge turnaround in his later years.
Sandy McCarthy...came in the NHL & hammered many guys. Didn't lose more than a couple fights in his first four years in the NHL.
Chris Simon...great lefty, great fighter. Exciting fighter.
Jim McKenzie...great with both hands & an honest fighter. Very underrated.
Marty McSorley...great fight card, incredible stamina. Could fight for an hour. Lack of punch power is only weakness.
Behn Wilson...great in his era but lacks heavyweights on his card is reason I have him at #10.

HM Joe Kocur, John Kordic, Paul Laus, Rob Ray, Tie Domi.

[timetoshine]

Originally Posted by GIANTSFAN

Bob Probert...could fight anyway you wanted & usually won. No real weakness. Took on anyone til the day he retired.
Donald Brashear..strong as an ox & a great lefty. Dropped many tough guys & only lost once really bad. Longest rein as the NHL champ.
Dave Brown...best left hander in the NHL. Dropped many guys. Feared.
Georges Laraque...exceptionally strong. Great fighter, huge & feared by many.
Stu Grimson...really bulked up, made a huge turnaround in his later years.
Sandy McCarthy...came in the NHL & hammered many guys. Didn't lose more than a couple fights in his first four years in the NHL.
Chris Simon...great lefty, great fighter. Exciting fighter.
Jim McKenzie...great with both hands & an honest fighter. Very underrated.
Marty McSorley...great fight card, incredible stamina. Could fight for an hour. Lack of punch power is only weakness.
Behn Wilson...great in his era but lacks heavyweights on his card is reason I have him at #10.

HM Joe Kocur, John Kordic, Paul Laus, Rob Ray, Tie Domi.

Wilson has 2 heavyweights from your list on his "card" ..... and it didn't take an hour for him to easily beat McSorley; took less than 10 seconds actually. Most of your list is from a confined 5 year period, and Tony Twist might have been the best of that period, and isn't even on your list. I'm sure you don't have an issue with his substance abuse -- because if that's the reason you exclude him, you'd better take the #1 and #9 guy off your list.

[Two-Four]

Originally Posted by timetoshine

Wilson has 2 heavyweights from your list on his "card" ..... and it didn't take an hour for him to easily beat McSorley; took less than 10 seconds actually. Most of your list is from a confined 5 year period, and Tony Twist might have been the best of that period, and isn't even on your list. I'm sure you don't have an issue with his substance abuse -- because if that's the reason you exclude him, you'd better take the #1 and #9 guy off your list.

Why the #1 guy?

[timetoshine]

Originally Posted by Two-Four

Why the #1 guy?

Cocaine is a stimulant, and Probert used it for much of his early career. While it can't be proved Probert's addiction or usage was for the rush of energy or violent tendencies it produced, it can't be discounted either.

[BGC99]

1 Probert
2 Brown
3 Wilson
4 Kocur
5 Twist
6 Brashear
7 BGL
8 McSorley
9 Sandy M
10 Domi

[Two-Four]

Originally Posted by timetoshine

Cocaine is a stimulant, and Probert used it for much of his early career. While it can't be proved Probert's addiction or usage was for the rush of energy or violent tendencies it produced, it can't be discounted either.

Cocaine is not a performance enhancing drug. Cocaine or alcohol abuse does not make you a better athlete. To claim otherwise is absolutely absurd.

[Trognitz]

Originally Posted by Two-Four

Cocaine is not a performance enhancing drug. Cocaine or alcohol abuse does not make you a better athlete. To claim otherwise is absolutely absurd.

i was never in a fight coked up, probably would have been an even worse fighter than i am when i was and never felt the desire to be in one when i was.

[ToughGuy1000]

Originally Posted by BGC99

1 Probert
2 Brown
3 Wilson
4 Kocur
5 Twist
6 Brashear
7 BGL
8 McSorley
9 Sandy M
10 Domi

Very good list but Domi dont deserve to be with your list either.
Hes overrated IMO.
Domi is more such like Top13-15 guy to me.
How about Clark Gillies with Top10??
Or Larry Playfair.
I think all oldest fighters could to do well against newer fighters.

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by BGC99

1 Probert
2 Brown
3 Wilson
4 Kocur
5 Twist
6 Brashear
7 BGL
8 McSorley
9 Sandy M
10 Domi

My top-6 is identical to yours.

[Two-Four]

[quote=timetoshine;2290627 While it can't be proved Probert's addiction or usage was for the rush of energy or violent tendencies it produced, it can't be discounted either.[/QUOTE]

By the way, it can EASILY be discounted if you know anything about the drug.

[BGC99]

Originally Posted by ToughGuy1000

Very good list but Domi dont deserve to be with your list either.
Hes overrated IMO.
Domi is more such like Top13-15 guy to me.
How about Clark Gillies with Top10??
Or Larry Playfair.
I think all oldest fighters could to do well against newer fighters.

I have both Playfair and Gillies ranked 10 -15. Just outside my top ten.

[BENNETTWOLF]

Originally Posted by Two-Four

By the way, it can EASILY be discounted if you know anything about the drug.

I personally totally agree. If i were seeking that advantage like before a fight, i'd use the old weightlifters stuff "ultimate orange" before it was banned and reformulated. From personal experience, i've never felt anything like it. Always wondered if that, or something like it was used in the infamous bottle late in the Pryor-Arguello initial fight.

Coke never did much for me except making me dysfunctional and horny

To sum up, maybe cocaine brings out or intensifies what's inside of you but i can't see any physical advantage besides being a painkiller. IMO, that's outweighed by the negative effects.

Bill Cosby said: "What is it about cocaine?" Answer: "Well, it intensifies your personality". Retort: "Yes, but what if you're an asshole"

[Trognitz]

i'd prefer a giant plate of barely cooked red meat, washed down with some liquid creatine and two gigantic lines of meth.

[bruiser11]

Originally Posted by timetoshine

Cocaine is a stimulant, and Probert used it for much of his early career. While it can't be proved Probert's addiction or usage was for the rush of energy or violent tendencies it produced, it can't be discounted either.

So you think Cocaine made those marathon bouts?