Official hockeyfights.com All-Time Top 10

[The Reaper]

BM24 I gotta know why you have Domi so high. Please elaborate.

[ovydell]

Probert
Brown
Wilson
Gillies
Fotiu
Nystrom
Grimson
Jonathan
Kocur
McSorley

[haymaker26]

Well my top 10 combines a lot of different variables most important for me is punching power, effectiveness and fear; next I would say longevity plays some part, in other words, were they good for more than a few seasons

(1) Kocur - Nothing needs to be said for my first two,
(1a) Twist - except that they are interchangeable
(3) Nystrom - My All-Time favorite
(4) Brown - scarier than Probert
(5) Ray - Favorite playing today, and will very quietly be the league's all-time knockout/knockdown artist
(6) Gillies - the terror of his day
(7) Jonathan - lb for lb, easily packed the biggest punch
(8) Domi - will retire with all the records
(9) Probert - no list is complete without him; has seemingly lost it in recent years
(10) Simon - would have been higher, but run just too short
(HM) Troy Crowder - for having the single most devastating season I've ever seen

[drillcheck26]

Excellent point(s) Bert, however, let's not underestimate Darren Langdon either, because had he played back in 70s, I honestly think he would have been unbelievable; nowadays, he has the uncanny strength and skill to hang with guys that are much physically stronger than guys 20 years ago - if we put him in a time capsule, I think he'd be as tough to beat as ANYBODY back then - he is a very tough fighter to beat, and I would go so far as to say he is the craftiest fighter ever - although not a big fighter and not physically dominating or imposing enough, in my opinion, to be in an all-time Top 10 (I will rethink my criteria for later polls) at this point - I wouldn't blame anybody for putting him there - as tough as anyone I've ever seen to beat outright - crafty - willing - and has been doing it effectively for quite a few years now

I will agree that it is unfair to make the type of argument I'm making, because guys back in the day did not have all of the training technology guys today have, but steroid use did run rampant in the late 70s, so you never knew who was on what

I used the old "time capsule" hypothesis and threw a guy like Georges Laraque into the late 70s - I really think he would simply ragdoll guys like Wilson and Gillies and even Playfair more often than not - same with Brashear - these guys are simply too big and too strong

Certainly, Bert's point is well taken about a guy like Langdon beating all of them - I might have called all three draws - but I'm talking in general terms - I truly believe these guys today would be awfully tough back then

Vodka - About Brashear - I agree that Brashear lost a few early on, but I wouldn't say a lot - how many? around ten? Okay - my point is that he is winning his fights nowadays, and has been for about the last 5 years or so at an alarming pace - and he hasn't been losing; for me, most fights end in draws, which effects a "winning" or "losing" percentage - Brashear wins his fights - I would argue that his winning percentage is over 40 % now which, in my opinion would place him amongst the best all-time, while his losing percentage is under 10% which, again, would place him amongst the game's all time elite; he seems to be going on a great pace and barring disaster, I would argue that he could move up even further - he's already been the Number 1 guy for perhaps the last two seasons, has been doing it for quite some time, and has well over 100 fights under his belt

[haymaker26]

I tend to agree with a lot of what you are saying, but its WAY too early to include Laraque on an all-time Top 50 let alone an all-time top 10

The other thing, although I respect Brashear, I don't think he's ever scared the sh*t out of people like guys who should be on an all-time top 10, but I will say he's getting scarier, and I may soon include him in my own list

[haymaker26]

BTW, I, for one, thought our list was better than FC's, but who the hell am I [p]

[jmiller]

quoteOriginally posted by haymaker26
BTW, I, for one, thought our list was better than FC's, but who the hell am I [p]


To be honest your list is pretty scary dude. Ray over Probert and Twist over Brown is not right......Whatever[xx(]

[Misfits859]

Probert
Dave Brown
Nystrom
Behn Wilson
Kocur
McSorley
Gillies
Grimson
Berube
Wensink (just for the mean streak)
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[JoeyKO]

REAPER quote2. Probert The last few years have hurt his all time status IMO.

But dude, you have to take into consideration that Probert has been in the league since 1985 - over 16 years now. If you look at the other top heavies on the list, they average probably 10.

I think Probert is number 1 because of his dominance for so long in the league - a good 10 years on top IMO.

Also - interesting FYI I found while researching the above opinion - Clark Gillies NEVER had over 100 PIMS in a season in the NHL. He never fought alot, but made it count when he did.

[The Reaper]

I know. Not to mention I am STILL checking out footage of enforcers. ETA on my final list April 2012.[V]

[5 and a game misconduct]

quoteOriginally posted by JoeyKO
Also - interesting FYI I found while researching the above opinion - Clark Gillies NEVER had over 100 PIMS in a season in the NHL. He never fought alot, but made it count when he did.


I just noticed that a couple months ago too. Career high 99 [0]

[camneely08]

where is the twister.you cant have a top 10 with out tony twist in it. let me give you a top ten list. here it is.

1. Tony Twist (did he ever lose)?
2. Stan Jonathen (#1 acording to don cherry)
2. Eddie Shore (never saw himbut from what i have read he was a pitbull on crack)
3. Bob Probert
4. Stu Grimson
5. Marty Mcsorley (the oiler days0
6. Joey Kocer
7. John Wensink
8. Jay Miller (boston days)
9. Terry taz O'Reilly
10. Dave Brown
how about them apples!
[D]

[jmiller]

quoteOriginally posted by camnealy08
how about them apples!
[D]


Them apples are pretty rotten dude.[xx(] That actually could be the worst top ten I have ever seen. Its actually so bad and an embarassment to Boston that I am not even going to associate myself with it in any way. If you are serious about learing I can recommend some tapes for you. I would suggest reading up a bit on many different fighters on the baord. There are some very educated posters here who can teach you. Also, spell Neelys name right or I am going to have "the big one"

Oh, welcome to the board BTW[dopey]

[Kocur 26]

quoteOriginally posted by camnealy08
where is the twister.you cant have a top 10 with out tony twist in it. let me give you a top ten list. here it is.

1. Tony Twist (did he ever lose)?




The answer is yes. Todd Ewen, Francois Leroux, Bill Huard and Jim McKenzie have victories over Tony Twist to name a few. I can see you like the Bruins and Tony Twist, but try to take favoritism out of your posts.

Also, we try to not include guys in our top 10's that we have never seen fight. I know there is no Eddie Shore footage out there, and given your age, there is no way that you saw him play live. If I went by what I have read about fighters, my list would include Bob Gasshoff, Dave Schultz, John Ferguson, Gordie Howe, etc... The problem with that is I have never seen some of those guys fight, and the others are pumped up by the media to be better than they really were.

I would see if you could get some tapes, if you don't have any already, and get some footage of the guys that have been mentioned in this topic/forum. After that if you still want to put Tony Twist at #1, then feel free. This is after all just an opinion based topic.

[EDDIESHORETOEBLAKE]

Actually, Jmill, his list isn't THAT bad . . . too damn many Bruins though . . .[D]