Official hockeyfights.com All-Time Top 10

[Juha82]

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

Here's my Top 30 list:

1 Bob Probert
2 Dave Brown
3 Clark Gillies
4 Behn Wilson
5 Joey Kocur
6 Bobby Nystrom
7 Nick Fotiu
8 Larry Playfair
9 Georges Laraque
10 Mick Vukota

11 Tie Domi
12 Willie Plett
13 Tony Twist
14 Eric Cairns
15 Stan Jonathan
16 Barry Beck
17 Mel Bridgeman
18 Donald Brashear
19 Paul Holmgren
20 Gary Howatt

21 Chris Simon
22 Dave Semenko
23 Ken Baumgartner
24 Terry O'Reilly
25 Dan Maloney
26 Marty McSorley
27 Stu Grimson
28 Wendel Clark
29 Dave Schultz
30 Chris Nilan

Ok list dude, but where is Sandy McCarthy?

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by Juha82

Ok list dude, but where is Sandy McCarthy?

Point taken, Juha82, I'm sure I missed more than just Sandy Mac, but that's what feedback like yours is for. I will ultimately revise my list as I notice additional glaring omissions. Mac is definitely top-25 material, perhaps even top 20.

[srehm1]

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

Here's my Top 30 list:

1 Bob Probert
2 Dave Brown
3 Clark Gillies
4 Behn Wilson
5 Joey Kocur
6 Bobby Nystrom
7 Nick Fotiu
8 Larry Playfair
9 Georges Laraque
10 Mick Vukota

11 Tie Domi
12 Willie Plett
13 Tony Twist
14 Eric Cairns
15 Stan Jonathan
16 Barry Beck
17 Mel Bridgeman
18 Donald Brashear
19 Paul Holmgren
20 Gary Howatt

21 Chris Simon
22 Dave Semenko
23 Ken Baumgartner
24 Terry O'Reilly
25 Dan Maloney
26 Marty McSorley
27 Stu Grimson
28 Wendel Clark
29 Dave Schultz
30 Chris Nilan

Nice list and thanks for sharing. I would say no to Fotiu, Beck, Cairns, Vukota, Howatt, Bridgman and Plett.

[illukka]

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

Point taken, Juha82, I'm sure I missed more than just Sandy Mac, but that's what feedback like yours is for. I will ultimately revise my list as I notice additional glaring omissions. Mac is definitely top-25 material, perhaps even top 20.

brashear is too low on your list IMO

[The Gaffer]

Ok, here is my list. I have based my decision on judging each guy when he was at his prime.
1)Probert
2)McCarthy
3)Wilson
4)Brown
5) Laraque
6) Domi (hate the guy but you have to give him credit)
7) Kocur
8) Gillies
9)Godard (I think he could give any one of the above a run for his money)
10) Brashear

[29th_Candidate]

Here's my revised Top 30 list:

1 Bob Probert
2 Dave Brown
3 Clark Gillies
4 Behn Wilson
5 Joey Kocur
6 Bobby Nystrom
7 Nick Fotiu
8 Larry Playfair
9 Georges Laraque
10 Eric Cairns

11 Eric Godard
12 Donald Brashear
13 Tie Domi
14 Tony Twist
15 Stan Jonathan
16 Willie Plett
17 Mel Bridgman
18 Sandy McCarthy
19 Paul Holmgren
20 Mick Vukota

21 Chris Simon
22 Wendel Clark
23 Ken Baumgartner
24 Terry O'Reilly
25 Dan Maloney
26 Marty McSorley
27 Gary Howatt
28 Dave Semenko
29 Stu Grimson
30 Dave Schultz

Thanks for the input (and to Juha for that priceless "Mental Bullies" thread).

[Lars24]

Hey 29th, Nice Top 10, not 100% about Nicky and Gillies but that has been rehashed to death around here so no big deal. It's your Top 10 so cool. Good to see you have Nystrom and Playfair hanging in as sometimes I see them drop off on some lists and to me they are Top 10 for sure. We all know how objective this lists are so - Good job.

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by Lars24

Hey 29th, Nice Top 10, not 100% about Nicky and Gillies but that has been rehashed to death around here so no big deal. It's your Top 10 so cool. Good to see you have Nystrom and Playfair hanging in as sometimes I see them drop off on some lists and to me they are Top 10 for sure. We all know how objective this lists are so - Good job.

Cheers, Lars. Thanks much for the feedback.

If Bobby Ny had a dark wig on during his battles, you'd think you were watching Bruce Lee. Nobody on skates had faster fists (of fury) than Nystrom.

It's easy to forget the sheer brutality and fierceness of the old school fighters in favor of more recent fighters, but a refresher course with the video clips reminds you of what indomitable vikings guys like Gillies and Playfair were. I'm from a hockey-playing/loving family. I've had these discussions with some of the most knowledgeable hockey fanatics around. The consensus is that Gillies was the undisputed HW champ from about 1975 to1980 (and then some).

The jury is still out on Fotiu, so, once again, the list is subject to modification. Thanks again.

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by 29th_Candidate

Here's my revised Top 30 list:

1 Bob Probert
2 Dave Brown
3 Clark Gillies
4 Behn Wilson
5 Joey Kocur
6 Bobby Nystrom
7 Nick Fotiu
8 Larry Playfair
9 Georges Laraque
10 Eric Cairns

11 Eric Godard
12 Donald Brashear
13 Tie Domi
14 Tony Twist
15 Stan Jonathan
16 Willie Plett
17 Mel Bridgman
18 Sandy McCarthy
19 Paul Holmgren
20 Mick Vukota

21 Chris Simon
22 Wendel Clark
23 Ken Baumgartner
24 Terry O'Reilly
25 Dan Maloney
26 Marty McSorley
27 Gary Howatt
28 Dave Semenko
29 Stu Grimson
30 Dave Schultz

Thanks for the input (and to Juha for that priceless "Mental Bullies" thread).

Gillies, Nystrom, Fotiu, Playfair, Laraque, Cairns, and Godard ahead of Brashear and Twist???

Vukota and Jonathan ahead of Simon?

McSorely at 26??

Grimson at #29???

I know you're new here and all, but your list needs work.

[srehm1]

Hey, 29th - thanks for sharing your list. Nice blend of old and new. FWIW, I would not have Fotiu or Cairns in the top-10. These lists are so open to so many different factors, I never think any of them are truly wrong or anything like that. After the first few spots, it gets real tough and the difference between certain fighters is really razor thin.

[T800m101]

Originally Posted by srehm1

Hey, 29th - thanks for sharing your list. Nice blend of old and new. FWIW, I would not have Fotiu or Cairns in the top-10. These lists are so open to so many different factors, I never think any of them are truly wrong or anything like that. After the first few spots, it gets real tough and the difference between certain fighters is really razor thin.

Vukota shouldn't be on anyone's list.

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by T800m101

Gillies, Nystrom, Fotiu, Playfair, Laraque, Cairns, and Godard ahead of Brashear and Twist???

Vukota and Jonathan ahead of Simon?

McSorely at 26??

Grimson at #29???

I know you're new here and all, but your list needs work.

Looks like we disagree on some things, T800. I'm okay with that. I think you overrate some fighters. I'm sure you think I overrate some too.

I see your point about Vukota, but think you're wrong about Jonathan. McSorely could go higher than 26, but no higher than 20. Grimson could go higher up on the list too.

I seem to get a lot of crap about Fotiu, so I'm going to review his fight cards and vids. Picking the top 10 or 15 of hockey's greatest fighters is a little bit different than picking the top 10 fighters for a given year. Anybody who makes the top 15 on most lists can be in the top two or three on anybody else's list, there's simply too much room for debate. I'm sure there are just as many people who would back me up on my other choices, which I consider rock solid, as there are who would object to them. The overall tally of votes on the All-Time Top 10 List certainly supports my argument here.

A lot of people seem to disagree with my placement of Eric Cairns, but I stand by it. I think he had (arguably) the most damaging punch of anybody on that list (along with perhaps Twist, Gillies and Kocur). I would put him up against anybody on my list on any given good night between 2001 and 2005. Your mileage may vary. I can live with that.

Thanks for the input and the positive/negative criticism, folks. It's all good.

[29th_Candidate]

Originally Posted by T800m101

I know you're new here and all, but your list needs work.

New or old (here), shouldn't make a ****'s worth of difference to anybody here (unless you're a high school freshman). I'll stand on the merits of my posts, for better or worse. Intelligent, well-argued and well-informed discussion is what counts everywhere else, and this place doesn't strike me as being an exception. I wasn't born the day before I registered on this site, and I've been a devoted hockey fan my entire life. That should be good enough for anybody here, and it's certainly good enough for me. Feel free to exercise your ignore list if you disagree.

[T800m101]

Also, I don't see how you can have Gillies ahead of Wilson when he got destroyed by Wilson twice and had an inferior card to Big Behn.

[T800m101]

Here's my top 10:

1. Bob Probert
2. Dave Brown
3. Behn Wilson
4. Joey Kocur
5. Tony Twist
6. Donald Brashear
7. Marty McSorley
8. Tie Domi
9. Georges Laraque
10. Stu Grimson

Will update the remainders at a later time.