Official hockeyfights.com All-Time Top 10

[Rob666]

How anyone could leave a guy like Donald Brashear off there list is beyond me. I've beem very happy to see him getting more consideration latley.

P.S.) 1,900 posts for me.

[17Pen17]

1. Bob Probert-
2. Joey Kocur-my
3. Dave Brown-
4. Tie Domi
5. Marty Mcsorley
6. Tony Twist
7. Stu Grimson
8. Georges Lauraque
9. Craig Berube
10. Troy Crowder

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by phillydog

I disagree with some of the entries I see! I see alot of names that just were in alot of fights but they were not the toughest... Meaning best Fighters!
Here we go..

1. Bob Probert
2. "Terrible" Ted Lindsay
3. Dave "Tiger" Williams
4. Scott Stevens
5. Dave Brown
6. Peter Worrell
7. John Ferguson
8. Clark Gillies
9. Dave "The Hammer" Schultz
10. Wayne Cashman
11. Craig Berube
12. Marty McSorley
13. Larry Robinson
14. Mike Peluso
15. Dale Hunter
16. George Laraque
17. Donald Brashear
18. Tie Domi
19."Leapin" Lou Fontinato
20. Rick Tocchet

Well, Phillydog has taken a few shots already, and I hate to add to it, but before I praise him, I have to say that Lindsay, Tiger, Cashman, Hunter, Peluso and even Schultz are... well... "interesting" picks ! Being a Chicagoan, I especially get a kick out of Peluso's name here.

I want to praise Phillydog for his #13 pick... Larry Robinson. Here's a guy who deserves to be on more top 20 lists. Sure, he didn't have a quantity of fights, but he was a great fighter, and hardly anyone gives him the credit he deserves. Great choice, Philly!

Why is Dale Hunter on so many recent lists?

Why is it that the great Dan Maloney is left off everyone's lists these days?
You'd think a heavyweight champ of the early 70's would easily fit somewhere on a list of 20.

And to a lesser degree, I'm surprised the name Curt Fraser doesn't appear more often.

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by joeye4

Hey Guys,

All time means all time and Gordie Howe was one of the very best fighters of all time. Only one of you mentionsed John Fergerson, which shows the limits of this excersize. I am a Bruins fan and I loved Jonathan but he just cant be higher than OReilly. I really like Probert as the number one with Brashere higher than you guys have him.

1. Probert
2. Howe
3. Brashere
4. Brown
5. Fergerson
6. Kocur
7. Twist
8. OReilly
9. Semenko
10. Domi

Your above statement... "Gordie Howe was one of the very best fighters of all time." Most of the "best ever" fighters can be supported with documentation of 40, 50 or more fights they won. I have a question. Outside of the Fontinato fight, could you please inform me of 5 other fights Howe had where he won?

Actually, I'll make my question easier... give me just 3.

Thanks !

[Philo Beddoe]

revised & extended to 25

#1) PROBERT
#2) BROWN
#3) WILSON
#4) KOCUR
#5) PLAYFAIR
#6) NYSTROM
#7) FOTIU
#8) FRASER
#9) SEMENKO
#10) GILLIES
#11) MCSORLEY
#12) TWIST
#13) O'REILLY
#14) MILLER
#15) COCHRANE
#16) KORDIC
#17) TOCCHET
#18) CLARK
#19) JONATHAN
#20) BERUBE
#21) WENSINK
#22) BRIDGMAN
#23) SCHULTZ
#24) HUNTER
#25) GRIMSON

[refightfan]

1 Bob Probert
2 Tony Twist
3 Dave Brown
4 Craig Berube
5 Stu Grimson
6 Donald Brashear
7 Joey Kocur
8 Marty McSorley
9 Wendel Clark
10 Tie Domi

[Mr. Pink]

1. Bob Probert - no question
2. Dave Brown - more dominant than Wilson, less than Probert
3. Behn Wilson - Lots of good wins, but not as many fights as other greats
4. Bob Nystrom - beat Playfair, Fotiu, and several others, great hands
5. Donald Brashear - still a dominant force, has beat everyone from his era practically
6. Marty McSorley - in the same boat as Brashear; has fought guys from 3 eras!
7. Joey Kocur - being a duo with Probert hurt his wins totals probably, but still had a great right and a lot of fear factor
8. Clark Gillies - when he did fight, one of the best ever
9. Larry Playfair - very hard puncher, but didn't have enough great wins in my mind
↓. Nick Fotiu - beat a lot of guys solidly, but didn't fight nearly enough

11. Tie Domi - barely outside of the top 10, but with further evaluation, might move up
↓. Tony Twist - the second coming of kocur and probert, only in one guy. Career was cut short, but did squeeze in several nice wins
13. John Kordic - Lightining left hands and a great 80's fighter
14. Stan Jonathan - too good of a fighter to be left out of top 15 and up
↓. Terry O'Reilly - 2-3 against Gillies, fought Wilson, Playfair, Schultz, etc. and beat several other great fighters
16. Tim Hunter - fought against and beat Dave Brown, which is enough to make my list. Also fought lots of other guys, won, had a great chin, and great technique
↓. Stu Grimson - fought in a tough era, but endured and beat a lot of guys handily

18. Georges Laraque - he has won too many fights against tough guys to be left out. Is the current NHL HW champ and has the reputation too. Only slight is his default champ status
19. Chris Nilan - I hate this guy, but he fought for many years and won or drew most of his fights. hangs on a little too much for my taste, but he was still a great fighter
20. Dave Semenko - fought only about 110 times, but fought with purpose and was feared. Beat many other tough guys from his era

HM: Craig Berube, Jay Miller, Gino Odjick, Sandy McCarthy, John Wensink, Glen Cochrane, Wendel Clark; not in that order

ps. ↓ = going down lower soon after an update

changes will be coming soon

[BENNETTWOLF]

Excellent list.

[Mr. Pink]

Excellent list.

Thanks! I really respect your opinion and input, so it means a lot coming from you. It took a lot of nerve to post this list, but I finally went on with it. Hope it looks alright.

[Kocur 26]

Originally Posted by Deadman

Well, Phillydog has taken a few shots already, and I hate to add to it, but before I praise him, I have to say that Lindsay, Tiger, Cashman, Hunter, Peluso and even Schultz are... well... "interesting" picks ! Being a Chicagoan, I especially get a kick out of Peluso's name here.

I want to praise Phillydog for his #13 pick... Larry Robinson. Here's a guy who deserves to be on more top 20 lists. Sure, he didn't have a quantity of fights, but he was a great fighter, and hardly anyone gives him the credit he deserves. Great choice, Philly!

Why is Dale Hunter on so many recent lists?

Why is it that the great Dan Maloney is left off everyone's lists these days?
You'd think a heavyweight champ of the early 70's would easily fit somewhere on a list of 20.

And to a lesser degree, I'm surprised the name Curt Fraser doesn't appear more often.

I think that guys like Fraser and Maloney suffer from lack of footage. I know Fraser was tough but I honestly can say I did not see much of him. Was it because he played in Vancouver and there is a lack of footage of him?

As far as Maloney goes, well I have some fights of his later in his career and it certainly would not be fair to rate him based off those. I do agree though that if a guy was the champ of a certain era, then he should be mentioned in more top 25 lists.

[coxe]

Here we go... based upon all at their very best on one night.

1] C. Gilles - This from a Ranger fan
2] B. Wilson - bias to the older guys and Flyers [even Hoyda beat NY up]
3] Probert - the man
4] Kocur - as a wing, lost toughness at MSG, Jim Kyte fight was scary!
5] J. Kordic - quick and mean circa 1986
6] P. Laus - one bad cat
7] P. Worrell - another bad cat
8] D. Kimble - think he is vastly underated, quick and heavy hitter
9] L. Gaetz - for one brief shinning moment.
10] Dave Brown - like Kocur, very scary when he was throwing.

Tough list - I can see Brown wasting all but Probert, but I can also see the 1986 Kordic beating Brown and Laus dropping him. Also, I think that the current guys are more solid with technique and feel that Laraque probably has a place here.

Perhaps someone should start a "most entertaining" list?

[FlagsFan]

Top 10's are so hard for old times.Could list 1000

1)Behn Wilson
2)Dave Brown
3)Bob Probert
4)Clark Gillies
5)Marty McSorley
6)Donald Brashear
7)Nick Fotiu
8)Tony Twist
9)Tie Domi
10)Stu Grimson

[Flyers_22]

I don't understand why Laraque isn't on more lists. The guy doesn't lose. Marty McSorley? I've hardly seen a fight of his where he isn't bleeding. How could you possibly rate him above Twist, Laraque, Brashear? Marty would get it handed to him by all of those guys.

[Mr. Pink]

I don't understand why Laraque isn't on more lists. The guy doesn't lose. Marty McSorley? I've hardly seen a fight of his where he isn't bleeding. How could you possibly rate him above Twist, Laraque, Brashear? Marty would get it handed to him by all of those guys.

Bleeders aren't necessarily bad fighters. The reason he is a bleeder is because he can take a punch and come back for more. Ryan Vandenbussche is one of the gamest fighters ever and also a bleeder. People often discount him, but you cant deny that he is a pretty good fighter for his size.

As for his status, you cant deny that he is one of the greats. He fought guys like Playfair, Gillies, etc. 80s guys like Kocur, Probert, etc., and 90s guys like Domi, Brash, etc. He won against most and had a chin and endurance that is unrivaled. He didn't have KO power but he certainly had KD and TKO power. I used to not rank him high because I didn't like him, but you can't deny this guy top 10 status. He was just to effective for too many years.

He lost to Brashear 6x, but he still hung in there. He probably would have mopped the floor with the young Laraque, but I'm not so sure how he would do with today's "BGL"/Spin-Cyle-Takedown-Laraque. As for Twist, I'm pretty sure he would have owned Twist. Marty could take Kocur and Probert's punches, and Twist wasn't that much of a greater puncher. Twist also had suspect balance and endurance, so I would give the edge to Marty.

As for comparing careers. Brashear's career is slightly more impressive, giving him a one spot edge over Marty. IMO Marty has a better career than both Twist and Laraque, and they are both Top 20 on my list.

[Rob666]

Originally Posted by mrpink51089

Bleeders aren't necessarily bad fighters. The reason he is a bleeder is because he can take a punch and come back for more. Ryan Vandenbussche is one of the gamest fighters ever and also a bleeder. People often discount him, but you cant deny that he is a pretty good fighter for his size.

As for his status, you cant deny that he is one of the greats. He fought guys like Playfair, Gillies, etc. 80s guys like Kocur, Probert, etc., and 90s guys like Domi, Brash, etc. He won against most and had a chin and endurance that is unrivaled. He didn't have KO power but he certainly had KD and TKO power. I used to not rank him high because I didn't like him, but you can't deny this guy top 10 status. He was just to effective for too many years.

He lost to Brashear 6x, but he still hung in there. He probably would have mopped the floor with the young Laraque, but I'm not so sure how he would do with today's "BGL"/Spin-Cyle-Takedown-Laraque. As for Twist, I'm pretty sure he would have owned Twist. Marty could take Kocur and Probert's punches, and Twist wasn't that much of a greater puncher. Twist also had suspect balance and endurance, so I would give the edge to Marty.

As for comparing careers. Brashear's career is slightly more impressive, giving him a one spot edge over Marty. IMO Marty has a better career than both Twist and Laraque, and they are both Top 20 on my list.

That is a great post Mr.Pink. When I get out of jail I owe you a beer. LOL.