Most effective team villain

[GOON 21]

Cmon how can you compare Lemieux to Mike Vick?


Lemieux was a dirtball jerkoff, but the summbitch was a clutch player and agitator and a winner, im glad McCarty went after him, and i wish he got his azz kicked a bit more but the guy was a helluva competitor and i would take him on my team

As far as Vick, what the dude did was atrocious, but he paid his debt to society (he did) -- he should be allowed to work again, it doesnt mean you have to like him but the guy has a right to earn a living


I still hate Lemieux but i respect the guy, he played hard and competed all the time

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by GOON 21

Cmon how can you compare Lemieux to Mike Vick?


Lemieux was a dirtball jerkoff, but the summbitch was a clutch player and agitator and a winner, im glad McCarty went after him, and i wish he got his azz kicked a bit more but the guy was a helluva competitor and i would take him on my team

As far as Vick, what the dude did was atrocious, but he paid his debt to society (he did) -- he should be allowed to work again, it doesnt mean you have to like him but the guy has a right to earn a living


I still hate Lemieux but i respect the guy, he played hard and competed all the time

I just look at it differently. Lemieux deliberately injured another player, he could have killed him and in my opinion, when you do that, you don't deserve the right to play in the NHL.

Vick is a murdering slime ball who certainly doesn't deserve to be in the NFL. Sure, he paid a very weak debt to society, 18 months, big focking deal, he is still a scum bag for what he did and that will never change. Someone who would pick up an animal and smash it on the ground has a screw loose and certainly doesn't deserve to work in the NFL, that should be a priviliedge reserved for people that behave themselves and appreciate what they have.

Things would be a lot different if I were commissioner in these leagues. Chris Simon basically got banned for deliberate and wreckless attempt to injure but why not Lemieux? I fail to see a difference, ramming a guys face into the boards or stepping on someone with a skate aren't different enough for me, it's the intent to injure, that those guys have the same screw loose and they don't deserve to get paid to play the game.

It's black and white for me in that regard. I don't give these aholes a pass just because they are "clutch" or I'd have them on my team or not, they are still scumbags who don't deserve the priviledge to play sports for money. Think about it for a minute and if you still think they deserve to "earn a living" then you're part of the problem. They can go collect trash or sell cars or make bread and earn a living that way. The world needs ditch diggers too.

These dumb focks do what they do because they get 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances because they are coddled star athletes but there are 1000 guys out there who would kill for their job who wouldn't murder animals or deliberately try to injure an opponent or act like classless douchebags or do drugs or beat their wives and/or kids, the list is endless of what these men do wrong but we keep giving them more chances. When they finally give up and cut a player, another team is right there to pick them up and "give them a clean slate". Aqib Talib is the latest loser who is still making a living in the NFL despite alledgedly shooting a gun at someone, beating up a cab driver, and using banned substances. LOL How many focking chances does he get before he murders someone?

Anyway, rant off.

[BOSTONMASSACRE]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

There have been a boat load of these guys down through the years. I can list a few but by no means is it exhaustive. Who do you think was the most effective villain for his team, meaning, who was the most transformative guy that added the most value where-by at the end of the day/season this guy really contributed in a great way? This is not limited to fighters, obviously. Feel free to add your favorites

Bobby Clarke
Tiger Williams
Kenny Linnsman
Claude Lemieux
DaveSemenko
Dale Hunter
Sean Avery
Dave Shultz
Esa Tikkanen

Chris Nilan.

[fansince65]

Originally Posted by BOSTONMASSACRE

Chris Nilan.

To be a villain you first have to be on the dirty side , I never thought of Chris "KNUCKLES" Nilan as a dirty enough player to label him as a true villain of the game .
In his 688 games played he accumulated over 3000 minutes in penalties , he holds the distinction of holding the record for 10 penalties in one game , a top enforcer in his day , but just not in the same dirty category as an Ulfie or Lemieux to be labeled a villain ..

[blockerpunch]

Originally Posted by fansince65

To be a villain you first have to be on the dirty side , I never thought of Chris "KNUCKLES" Nilan as a dirty enough player to label him as a true villain of the game .
In his 688 games played he accumulated over 3000 minutes in penalties , he holds the distinction of holding the record for 10 penalties in one game , a top enforcer in his day , but just not in the same dirty category as an Ulfie or Lemieux to be labeled a villain ..

Rick Middleton Butt Ended By Chris Nilan - YouTube

Not sure of any other major cheap shots but this one was pretty dirty. Not a fan of Nilan, the more I see of him the less I like.

[Flyer_Frank]

Chris Pronger's name hasn't come up yet. See avatar . . . . ^

[fansince65]

Originally Posted by blockerpunch

Rick Middleton Butt Ended By Chris Nilan - YouTube

Not sure of any other major cheap shots but this one was pretty dirty. Not a fan of Nilan, the more I see of him the less I like.

I think in my post I stated he was just not "DIRTY ENOUGH" to be put in the class of a villain , he was not above giving a player a cheep shot now and then , even Gretzky did that , remember his high stick on Doug Gilmour ..

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by fansince65

I think in my post I stated he was just not "DIRTY ENOUGH" to be put in the class of a villain , he was not above giving a player a cheep shot now and then , even Gretzky did that , remember his high stick on Doug Gilmour ..

I'm sure Nilan wasn't loved in other cities but nothing like a Lemieux, Linseman, Cooke, Avery, Ulf ****ellson, Dale Hunter and some others.

Nilan wasn't despised in the same way. He was a goon/tough guy who did well with his career by fighting and he'd win some fights, you really could never beat that guy.

Nilan was beloved compared to say, Dale Hunter, how could anyone like that guy, even his own fans.

That's the thing you'll get with me, I don't care if a rat plays for my favorite team, I still don't like them. The Lightning had Darcy Tucker for a while and I was adamant in my dislike of him even when he was here, I thought he was a scum bag, the uniform doesn't change the person, they are still equally worthless in my opinion but I hear so many people say, I'd like him if he was on my team. HORSE ****. That's just being two faced and two faced people suck.

Have a nice day.

[JKidd]

Bob Probert. Toronto and Chicago fans surely hated him with a hell of a passion. And likewise with Wendel Clark in Detroit. Couple of former Detroit residents that I work with still protest their undying hatred for Clark to this day. They hated him for scoring goals, his "cheap" hits, and of course, jumping everyone that he dropped the mitts with.

On a personal standpoint, Todd Bertuzzi is one hated man in Minnesota. When he was a Canuck, none hated more than him... except for Matt Cooke. Matt Cooke's hatred takes fans to a different level they never knew they had.

The .gif file of Evander Kane knocking him out plays on my 2nd monitor at work as the screen saver, just because of my hatred for that piece of ****.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by fansince65

I think in my post I stated he was just not "DIRTY ENOUGH" to be put in the class of a villain , he was not above giving a player a cheep shot now and then , even Gretzky did that , remember his high stick on Doug Gilmour ..

If opposing fans hate you, they hate you. The reasons don't matter. The Potvin hate at MSG went into the stratosphere after the Ulf Nilsson play, and that wasn't dirty. Part of the reason the Potvin hate is so entertaining is it continues to this day even though he's been retired for decades. It's completely irrational. It's why it's still so funny.

Crosby has never been an especially dirty player, although his playoff chop on Giroux this past spring will just send the hate for him here to even another level and it's over the top now.

One nasty cheap shot can make you a villain for life in certain cities, but you really don't have to be dirty to qualify. Dave Schultz wasn't a dirty fighter under the rules of his early career, head butts, hair pulls and taped fists were actually allowed, and he wasn't a dirty player but he's still the all time top of the charts on NHL villains in my book.

Cheap shots and dirty play help for sure, but aren't required to be a villain.

[Philly Fan 27]

barnaby was the first person that came to mind

[fansince65]

Originally Posted by JKidd

Bob Probert. Toronto and Chicago fans surely hated him with a hell of a passion. And likewise with Wendel Clark in Detroit. Couple of former Detroit residents that I work with still protest their undying hatred for Clark to this day. They hated him for scoring goals, his "cheap" hits, and of course, jumping everyone that he dropped the mitts with.

On a personal standpoint, Todd Bertuzzi is one hated man in Minnesota. When he was a Canuck, none hated more than him... except for Matt Cooke. Matt Cooke's hatred takes fans to a different level they never knew they had.

The .gif file of Evander Kane knocking him out plays on my 2nd monitor at work as the screen saver, just because of my hatred for that piece of ****.

Todd Bertuzzi is probably one of the most hated players ever to play the game , I will be watching his son (Tyler) play today for the Guelph Storm , he is 6 ft 194 and doesn't look like he has that mean streak his old man had , he is not a bad player at all .
Remember Shane Corson ?? I watched his son play last night for the Barrie Colts , he is just a rookie and loves to go into the dirty areas along the wall just like his father did , he is fun too watch play .
Another EX players son that was on the most hated list also plays for the Colts , Claude Lemieux's son Brendan plays for the Colts also , he is a rookie also but he has a bit of a dirty streak , he could be one too watch for in the future getting a hefty suspension .
Just thought some of you guys would like to know about the kids of some most hated players ..

[spiderarms]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

What fun would there have been for you if I named em all?

One name I might have missed or I haven't seen is Paul Baxter. A favorite enemy of many for his cheapshots and dirty hits. I don't know if this guy was crazy or suicidal(Kocur and Wilson).

With regards to Nilan, he was dirty and not only did he buttend Middleton but also sucker punched Paul Boutilier for no reason during a line brawl with Montreal vs the Bruins. The only difference with him and a few of the others is that he backed it up himself.

[Kocur4life]

The Rags have employed some of the best in the business over the last 20 years:

Avery
Barnaby
Fleury
Purinton
Ulf Samuellsson
Kasparitis

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by spiderarms

One name I might have missed or I haven't seen is Paul Baxter. A favorite enemy of many for his cheapshots and dirty hits. I don't know if this guy was crazy or suicidal(Kocur and Wilson).

With regards to Nilan, he was dirty and not only did he buttend Middleton but also sucker punched Paul Boutilier for no reason during a line brawl with Montreal vs the Bruins. The only difference with him and a few of the others is that he backed it up himself.

Absolutely textbook left by Baxter

penguins vs flyers line-brawl Oct 29, 1981 -...