MacIntyre and Boogaard Vs. Your Top 10

[Boston Garden]

How do you think they would fair against your top 10?

I'm not trying to make a case for them to garner consideration for top 10, but I have a feeling either of them may take a 10 fights series with most if not all of the consensus top 10.

Your thoughts?

[Blues 34]

I cannot argue with the premise of your arguement. Both men were capable of going with anyone in the history of the game because of their size and punching power. The fact that one left us far too early and ones NHL career is going to be limited because of the rule changes make discussing their performance against a top 10 all time list way too tough for me to do

[Broons66]

It's a difficult question to answer. On the flipside of it, could any of the "super heavies" have played in the 70-80's? I'd like to think guys like Gillies, Nystrom, O'Reilly etc could have played in any era.

[smashem]

Flyer fans have me convinced that Brashear would beat them both at the same time, Well maybe not he does not have eyes behind his head Here comes Marty , Happy New Year Flyer fans.

[cookie monster]

I think Bob Probert, Dave Brown, Dave Schultz, Clark Gillies, Joe Kocur, Donald Brashear, Tony Twist, Terry O' Reily, and John Ferguson would fare just fine against those two.

They all played in a different time when you hit guys on the ice, No instigator protection and guys didn't stop because the linesman stepped in.

Much tougher men in those days...

[Broons66]

Sorry cm, posted my question to you before seeing your reply to the thread.

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by cookie monster

I think Bob Probert, Dave Brown, Dave Schultz, Clark Gillies, Joe Kocur, Donald Brashear, Tony Twist, Terry O' Reily, and John Ferguson would fare just fine against those two.

They all played in a different time when you hit guys on the ice, No instigator protection and guys didn't stop because the linesman stepped in.

Much tougher men in those days...

I think it's stupid when people say Boogard as Oor and the newer HW's are less tough because they play in an era with different rules.

[Broons66]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

I think it's stupid when people say Boogard as Oor and the newer HW's are less tough because they play in an era with different rules.

Why? Big Mac and John Scott skate like air craft carriers. It's scary to think what they might have been able to accomplish without an instigator rule, but they still would have still to be able to skate a productive shift. The super heavies are/were a thing of the late 90's-00's.

[spiderarms]

Originally Posted by Boston Garden

How do you think they would fair against your top 10?

I'm not trying to make a case for them to garner consideration for top 10, but I have a feeling either of them may take a 10 fights series with most if not all of the consensus top 10.

Your thoughts?

As has been mentioned in earlier posts, both of these guys had tremendous strength, size and punching power. Anytime they engage in a fight, they have a punchers chance to win.

In both cases I agree that neither guy probably would have had the opportunity to play in a few eras (60's, 70's and 80's) as they were primarily eras when the Players played hockey first and fought secondarily for the most part.

Unfortunately in Boogards case, his unfortunate passing doesn't allow us to get the full picture of his growing abilities as he died at a very young age.

In the case with SMAC, the rules of the game today will not allow us to see what he is capable of going forward. As a matter of fact, the way the game is now being played today, I would say it would be extremely difficult for anyone to make an all-time Top Ten list let alone a Top 20.

So based on strictly the facts and attempting to use some type of barometer, Existing Top 10-20 fighters, a very YOUNG Boogard fought George Laraque 4 times without a victory. He fought Donald Brashear 2 times, without a victory. The only other present Top 10-20 guy he fought was Chris Simon. That one was an edge to Simon.

With regards to SMAC, he fought only Donald Brashear once in the famous rib punch event which he got the decision based on the body punches.

So projecting how they would have done against an All-Time Top Ten list would only be Hypothetical with little basis and very unfair to both guys.

[Killah_punk]

I think MacIntyre would of been fine against most of the all time greats. He hails from Saskatchewan like many of the enforcers did from the hay day of fighting. MacIntyre has huge power that would not be matched by many. Mac has something like 12 KO/TKO's in about 225 fights. Not to mention he's actually a very good technical fighter who can knock guys out with either hand. He's got a big reach and seems to be able to take a punch. Even when Godard broke his face he still wanted to fight him later on in the game. I am not even sure how many leagues MacIntyre was considered the champ but i would bet he was one of the most feared fighter in almost every league he's been in which would include WHL, NewIHL, ECHL, and AHL. Probably the NHL if would of had more fights.

[Blues 34]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

I think it's stupid when people say Boogard as Oor and the newer HW's are less tough because they play in an era with different rules.

In my case I didnt mean that Boogaard and MacIntyre are less tough, it is just far tougher to judge them because the NHL isn't as tough of a league as in past era's

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

I think the key word to this question is stamina: Let me explain:

If Boogie and Big Mac were to skate a regular shift all game, on a top line (albeit much more responsibility than an occassional 4th liner) with the bulk of thier concentration on being an integral part of the offense, then I would say that as long as their conditioning and stamina matched Probie, Gillies, etc..I think they are fine, however, if they are gassed, then they will have a problem. Catch one of these behemoths at the end of a hard shift after already playing 10 shifts and it is a different kettle of fish.

[I like Boobs]

I'd wager dollars to donuts that you'd be very hard pressed to find a game where either MacIntyre or Boogard played more than 10 shifts for over 60 seconds of ice time, let alone 50 games etc...

How do you compare those two to guys like Probert, Wilson, McSorely, Gillies, Nilan, Nystrom, O'Reilly, even Brashear? They aren't nearly talented enough to belong in the same breath... They are more comparable to guys like Fotiu, Twist, Grimson. Very little playing talent, simply the ability to fight.

You can't teach size though and that's all those two have over any of the all time greats. Their fighting abilities aren't nearly as good, but it's difficult to fight a tree. It's similar to heavyweight boxing now - Klitcho's aren't talented and aren't all time fighters and never will be considered so by anyone in the sport. The Sweet Science has become two trees lumbering around the ring in an ugly mockery of what used to be a great sport to watch.

It's a different era, and I don't know how things would match up. I suspect that it wouldn't be very long or great battles as the new fighting "style" is to lock out, turn your head away, throw jersey jabs and hope for the best with an occasional four path wide looping right that was telegraphed from last Thursday.

How many great fights have you seen from either Boogard or MacIntyre? Combine the two and you wouldn't get half the number of great ones that came from Probert, Wilson, Baumgartner, Domi, etc...

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

You can't teach size though and that's all those two have over any of the all time greats. Their fighting abilities aren't nearly as good, but it's difficult to fight a tree. It's similar to heavyweight boxing now - Klitcho's aren't talented and aren't all time fighters and never will be considered so by anyone in the sport. The Sweet Science has become two trees lumbering around the ring in an ugly mockery of what used to be a great sport to watch.


How many great fights have you seen from either Boogard or MacIntyre? Combine the two and you wouldn't get half the number of great ones that came from Probert, Wilson, Baumgartner, Domi, etc...

First of all MacIntyre has very good fighting abilities. Sure the guy is huge but he's very technical. So say he isn't a skilled fighter I do not agree with. He switches hands better then most and his boxing skills are good. I think you might want to to go back and watch more of his fights.
As for great fights. You half to consider that when you pack the power that these two guys had not many are going to want to open up with these guys. It takes two to make an exciting fight. Plus MacIntyre had some great fights. Of course he's not going to have the same number of great fights as guys like Probert or Domi cause he won't have close to the number of total fights. Just watch these fights from MacIntyre and tell me he doesn't have great fights.

2003-2004
Jon "Nasty" Mirasty
Marc-Andre Roy

2004-2005
Graham Belak
Brad Voth
Colton Orr
Mitch Fritz

2005-2006
Jon "Nasty" Mirasty

2006-2007
Erick Lizon

2007-2008
Kevin Westgarth
Paul Crosty

2009-2010
Brian McGrattan
Jon "Nasty" Mirasty
Jeremy Yablonski

2010-2011
Raitis Ivanans x2

2011-2012
Eric Neilson

[I like Boobs]

I never said that MacIntyre didn't have skill, not sure where you got that from? I said that his fighting abilities aren't nearly as good as others that preceded him. The reason they aren't as good is because he relies on his overwhelming size to dominate fights. I'm not sure how that's up for debate?

Look at the fights they had against each other - were these supposed to determine the heavyweight championship? The first one was okay, the second one was a yawner.

I like watching him for what's left in the game today, but he's the best of an unimpressive bunch. He hits like a truck though.

Has MacIntyre ever played more than 65 games in a season in any league? I don't think he has... And he's lucky if he hits double digits in fights.

I'm not saying he's not good, he has talent, I just don't know how anyone can compare either of these guys to all time greats. They just don't have the sample size, the staying power or the playing ability to be considered.

Could they win? Sure anyone can win in a fight, but it's just opinion/speculation, and neither guy impressed me enough long term to really ever be given an all time status. MacIntyre doesn't even have 50 fights in the league!

I'd rather watch a Probert, Wilson, Gillies, Playfair, etc... tape than I would of Boogard and MacIntyre.

Just my opinion.