Lineage of the Heavyweight Champ & Top Ten Lists '75-'07

[bgbdbrew70]

shultz? he was not a good flghter.he will tell you that.i sense you dont care for the bruins.o'reiley beat on him many times. shultz was knockrd out cold on national t.v.by larry robinson when he was a rookie with montreal.jerry korab also very big no heart.i whatched him back down against wensink and o'rieiley.you do not even mention cashman he was unbeatable for a few years.you did a lot of work however it seems you read more then you saw.way to many fighters not even mentioned.

[Merlin401]

Originally Posted by bgbdbrew70

shultz? he was not a good flghter.he will tell you that.i sense you dont care for the bruins.o'reiley beat on him many times. shultz was knockrd out cold on national t.v.by larry robinson when he was a rookie with montreal.jerry korab also very big no heart.i whatched him back down against wensink and o'rieiley.you do not even mention cashman he was unbeatable for a few years.you did a lot of work however it seems you read more then you saw.way to many fighters not even mentioned.

Way to many fighters not even mentioned? Yeah I know, I know. If it were you the 1975-76 list would look more like:

1-Oreilly
2-Cashman
3-Brad Park
4-Clark Gillies
5-Bobby Schmautz
6-J. Bob Kelly
7-Mike Milbury
8-Hank Nowak
9-Dave Forbes
10-Bob Gassoff

Better?

Regarding your complaints... Schultz was a damn good fighter. Perhaps if you took off the biased Bruins lenses you'd see things like him going toe-to-toe with Behn Wilson instead of one bad loss. Should we exclude Bob Probert from the list because he was KOd early in his career by Todd Ewen? Stupid argument.

Second, O'Reilly and Wensink are both mentioned more than Schultz is to begin with! So I dont know what the hell you're even talking about with that. Maybe if you actually read the lists you'd see the names?

As for Cashman: You do realize the lists start in 1975 right? And he fought like, what, three times a year after that date? No way he comes close to making any top 10 list with dozens of pure fighters fighting many times a season. Tough man. In his prime he makes the lists probably but not in the years I did anything.

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by bgbdbrew70

shultz? he was not a good flghter.he will tell you that.i sense you dont care for the bruins.o'reiley beat on him many times. shultz was knockrd out cold on national t.v.by larry robinson when he was a rookie with montreal.jerry korab also very big no heart.i whatched him back down against wensink and o'rieiley.you do not even mention cashman he was unbeatable for a few years.you did a lot of work however it seems you read more then you saw.way to many fighters not even mentioned.

Robinson was a rookie in 75? Schultz was out cold? Wow, Merlin did I pop out of that "COSMIC BUNNY HOLE" that people have been talking about? 3 posts, talking about coming out like the house is on fire...what's next, in Nystrom's rookie yr ( in 79) he KO'd Playfair and Hoyda?
But seriously bg'70. Merlin worked very hard on this stuff...show him some respect. If you're going attack ...make sure you have ammo, put another way : don't load your bazooka with a .22 round.

[Walt]

Wow, this is an interesting thread. I missed it back in its original posting. It's hard to argue with any of the original posters' rationale or, for that matter, people who have contested some ranking or another along the way.

My only thought is that I think Gord Donnelly probably belonged in the top ten (Jets/Buffalo) somewhere along the line. And I think Terry O'Reilly was underrated in the original list. He was really good in his day. I think McKenzie should have been ranked higher during his Hartford stint and Tocchet during his first years at Philly. I like that Lyndon Byers got his props here. Nice thread.

It's amazing how many good fighters the league featured in that 85-95 period. Teams were three deep in good/experienced fighters. That was definitely the heyday when you look at those names and think of all the guys who didn't make the top 10 cut.

[nyranger22]

Gilles, Nick Fotiou, Nystrom....you know the guys w/out helmets. The lists are dead on.....eerie!

[Rob666]

For 1997-1998 notable fights I think you should add that Brashear TKO'ed Jim McKenzie.

[Habs # 1]

Maurice Richard vs Gordie Howe... who wins in a fight?

[Juha82]

Originally Posted by Juha82

1.G.Laraque(putting his typical shows beating Low and Hordichuk soundly, big win over Cairns)
2.P.Worrell(BigPete schooled Boulton, some very impressive bouts like Downey,Shelley and Cairns)
3.D.Brashear(a strong season again, loses to Cairns, but scores a good win over Peat2x)
4.E.Cairns(uneven bit, but solid season)
5.W.Belak(you see his fights against Laraque2x, Worrell1x, Boulerice1x and McCarthy1x)
6.J.Shelley(convincing work by "BadAss" for example scoring win over Laraque, toe to toe man you see his fights against Berube3x)
7.T.Domi(maybe too high rank, gives welcomes to Godard, won Ray and you have to see also his playoffs-fight against Brashear)
8.T.Fedoruk(ouch! got beated by Godard and Ray, but TKO's Johnson and Brennan)
9.J.McKenzie(some convincing shows)
10.R.Low(lost to fighters who should to win, like Nazarov and Dingman, beat May, won Johnson? you see his maratonbout against Langdon)

Honourable mentions:

1.J.Boulerice(too uneven, weak for the Top10 fighters at this time, sorry)
2.P.J.Stock(some good shows, against Peat, Henry and Odgers)
3.F.Lessard(not bad choice to Top10, but maybe too little fights, did win Cairns?)
4.E.Godard(another rookie like Lessard, puts solid shows like his fights against Worrell, Stock and Godard)
5.D.Langdon(it was even insult if you don't give HM for Langer, because he won Worrell once and maybe twice?)

You comments and own list?

Downey was also good this year.
He didn't get beated against Worrell, almost a draw.
He beated, KO'd Boulerice and won Simon edging him.
I think he deserved a HM at least.

Downey was also good this year.
Deserves a HM-

[Merlin401]

Originally Posted by Habs # 1

Maurice Richard vs Gordie Howe... who wins in a fight?

I'll vote Richard because you can reach someone with a stick before you can reach them with an elbow.

Interesting question though. In real life: I have no idea, they were probably both too cheap, tough bastards and its impossible to say who can win with all the legends that have mingled in amongst the mere handful of facts that we have about either of their fighting accomplishments.

[Merlin401]

Just an FYI, 2008-09 season has been added.

[Juha82]

I changes a bit 2001-2002 Top10list;

Domi's rank is 5.
Peat's 6.
Cairns is 7 and McCarthy is 8.

[royjonesjr]

This is my list I know some will argue but I try I to base fighters on the era they came up in and try not to judge fighter based on their reps.


1# Tony Twist: I know people accuse Twist of Steroids and they could be correct but regardless I don't think any fighter was as dominant and had the killer instinct like Twist did. He just tore through opponents most of them could not keep their balance for ten seconds yet they'd still take a furious beating from Twist.

2# Bob Probert: Probert can clearly be argued as champ hes had so many wars and beaten so many great fighters. Probert has suffered many defeats as well but most of them were wars and he seemed to always come back and beat those who'd defeat him.

3# Dave Brown: Brown was a beast and proved to be one of the hardest guys to ever beat. He had no problems with a lot of great fighters such as Domi.

4# Donald Brashear: Brashear I'd say is without a doubt one of the best in NHL history when it comes to fighting hes beaten them all and given out many of the worst beatings that have ever been seen. Some say his style is boring I enjoy watching him hammer opponents on the inside no other fighter is close to as dangerous from the inside as Brashear is.

5# Joey Kocur: Kocur threw bombs and was another one of those guys who rarely was ever defeated. known to be one of the most if not the most powerful puncher of all time and you can't disagree with that after all the knock out and knock downs hes scored in his career.

6# Behn Wilson: Wilson was great in his era loved to go up and under with rights and uppercuts. Without a doubt he was the dominant fighter of his time. I would love to see him go with modern day heavyweights.

7# Wendel Clark: So much furry in the way he fought. Didn't follow no code if you picked a fight with him you were in for a fight and he showed no mercy.

8# Sandy McCarthy: McCarthy is his prime was almost an unstoppable force. He peaked quick but just as quickly did he lose his will to fight. Yet still I think he without a doubt deserves to be on this list.

9# Tie Domi: Domi had the heart of a warrior and deserves to be on anyone top ten not just because of his fighting abilities but because of the amount of fights hes been in and the disadvantage he had to make up for with his height and reach.

10# Georges Laraque: A lot of guys could be argued for the tenth spot but I think Laraque has done enough to prove himself as one of the best fighters in NHL history. Yes the last few years his style has gotten boring but he was very dominant early in his career as well when he used to open fire on his opponents. Laraque has been champ or argued as champ almost every year since hes been in the NHL.

11- Berube
12- Grimson
13- Worrell
14- McSorley
15- Langdon
16- Simon
17- McKenzie
18- Cairns
19- Crowder
20- Parker

[peacemaker]

Great list RJJr!
I commend you for telling it like you see it, and not just regurgitating eveyone else's list with minor alterations.

I have to redo my list (I think I posted my original list around 5 years ago).

[hockey doc]

Originally Posted by bgbdbrew70

shultz? he was not a good flghter.he will tell you that.i sense you dont care for the bruins.o'reiley beat on him many times. shultz was knockrd out cold on national t.v.by larry robinson when he was a rookie with montreal.jerry korab also very big no heart.i whatched him back down against wensink and o'rieiley.you do not even mention cashman he was unbeatable for a few years.you did a lot of work however it seems you read more then you saw.way to many fighters not even mentioned.

Clueless idiot homer of the century, get a friggen life nitwit.

[GIANTSFAN]

Originally Posted by hockey doc

Clueless idiot homer of the century, get a friggen life nitwit.

learn how to spell Schultz & O'Reilly as well.