Lineage of the Heavyweight Champ & Top Ten Lists '75-'07

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Parros at Number 9 is killer though

-TKOed by Shelley
-Pounded by Brashear
-lost to King

Yea and he showed up every night ready to take on all. He does it with enthusiasm and made major strides. He fought more then others so he took some losses. I used to make fun of this guy a lot and thought he had no chance of ever getting to be a decent fighter. But he is.

[Mr. Pink]

Originally Posted by canuck2

Yea and he showed up every night ready to take on all. He does it with enthusiasm and made major strides. He fought more then others so he took some losses. I used to make fun of this guy a lot and thought he had no chance of ever getting to be a decent fighter. But he is.

How does this make him a top 10 fighter? Vandenbussche, Stock, Gratton, and Coxe all have great heart, but that doesn't make them a top 10 fighter. Besides, most of the people that voted him into that top 10 voted for him based on his moustache, not his win-loss record.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

How does this make him a top 10 fighter? Vandenbussche, Stock, Gratton, and Coxe all have great heart, but that doesn't make them a top 10 fighter. Besides, most of the people that voted him into that top 10 voted for him based on his moustache, not his win-loss record.

Heart does matter. In today's age an active guy who plays his role like Parros deserves that recognition. By itself it means nothing. But he had 19 fights this year. He beat Parker, Janssen, Walker, Hordi and Kocci. He had a draw with Ivanans and Godard. He did have an ugly loss to Brashear (no shame in that ask Boogard) and his TKO to Shelley.

Yea he is top 10.

[Plateworker]

Wow how amazingly shi**y has this year been. We have a champ that has all of 5 wins, which before 2000 would not even qualify him for top 15 let alone champ. We have the #5 and #6 guys who have a combined 7 wins. Thats correct incase you though you misread it 7 wins. Godard at # 6 for 3 wins, the only remote reason I can think of this is that he beat Boogard.....oh wow lets give him the the #6 for that. His other wins......lol.... Boulton and Konopka..What an outstanding year. this is getting to much to bear. I am going to start naming MW's as my top ten guys next year since only about 5 of the HW's this year fought enough anyway.

I dont like to crown a champion that is unwilling to fight. I voted for Brash but as usual BGL takes the crown. Perhaps the worst champion, if you want to call him that, in the history of Hockey fighting.

Laraque 5-0-3 Wow what a Champion.

[Mr. Pink]

Originally Posted by Plateworker

Wow how amazingly shi**y has this year been. We have a champ that has all of 5 wins, which before 2000 would not even qualify him for top 15 let alone champ. We have the #5 and #6 guys who have a combined 7 wins. Thats correct incase you though you misread it 7 wins. Godard at # 6 for 3 wins, the only remote reason I can think of this is that he beat Boogard.....oh wow lets give him the the #6 for that. His other wins......lol.... Boulton and Konopka..What an outstanding year. this is getting to much to bear. I am going to start naming MW's as my top ten guys next year since only about 5 of the HW's this year fought enough anyway.

I dont like to crown a champion that is unwilling to fight. I voted for Brash but as usual BGL takes the crown. Perhaps the worst champion, if you want to call him that, in the history of Hockey fighting.

Laraque 5-0-3 Wow what a Champion.

The Godard and Brashear ones are absolutely ridiculous, but Parros at No. 9 burns me the most. I dont mean to start my whining in another thread, but some of the people voting were just not very intelligent, ie Ivanans at No.1 , Parros No. 1, Wade Belak being left out completely, etc.

I tried to put as much thought into my list as possible, and I wish others would do the same.

[Old Tyme Hockey]

Just checked your post out tonight. Awesome job and awesome documentation. Those fighters in the 70's and early 80's were kick ass fighters---thanks for bringing back those great times...

[thedanbman]

I will always refer to you as Mr Merlin, this is incredible! I love it, you da man. Although George I think his time is about up, what do you think??

[rydmad]

Looking down the road, I hope we see the likes of Godard, Orr, McGratton and Boogaard on that list. All quality fighters the are fun to watch.

[fansince65]

excellent post!!!!!
but their is one name missing!!!!!
garry unger!!!remember him???????
no one and i mean no one wanted to fight
this guy!!!!!!!
he could go with the best of them and he
was not a big man (185-195 i beleave)!!!!!
best fight i ever saw was him and derik sanderson
when they both played JRA.......
toe to toe for a good six minutes(no clutch and grab)
after the scrap the fans gave both players
a standing ovation for longer than the scrap laeted.....
in my opinion this was the best i ever saw and
anyone that was their that night will agree!!!!!!!

[Juha82]

1.P.Worrell(fought with all, a high win% and a cood, better card than -00-01 year, though)
2.D.Brashear(beat Domi twice, won McCarthy in long, but more dull fight)
3.R.Low(a very good season, full of wins)
4.G.Laraque(Pro-Hockey magazine did put Laraque for the champion, but i don't, because got dropped by Shelley for example, not of a surprisingly wins over Sawyer)
5.T.Domi(won Cairns and McKenzie, draw agianst champion)
6.S.Peat(toe to toe man, soldi season)
7.E.Cairns(stong season, won McCarthy)
8.S.McCarthy(quite good season, dropped Hordichuk)
9.P.J.Stock(toe to toe man, put always a good show despite of loses or wins the fight)
10.C.McCallister(beat Simon for example and Peat)

Honourable mentions:

1.P.Laus(beat Probert and got the edge over Downey in the same game, TKO's Hordi, **** fights against 2 heavy M.Johnson and D.Langdon, both a draws though)
2.S.Parker(about "rollercoaster", a solid win and nasty loss way)
3.J.Shelley(a lot of fights from him, you see his and Probert serie)
4.D.Hordichuk(good shows)
5.R.Ray(schools Stock, won Bonvie, just narrow loss to Cairns, but too uneven for the topten fighters now, though)
6.K.Sawyer(i have to noticed him, because he fought with all and got couple/few big wins, for example over Berube)

You comments and own list?

[Juha82]

1.G.Laraque(putting his typical shows beating Low and Hordichuk soundly, big win over Cairns)
2.P.Worrell(BigPete schooled Boulton, some very impressive bouts like Downey,Shelley and Cairns)
3.D.Brashear(a strong season again, loses to Cairns, but scores a good win over Peat2x)
4.E.Cairns(uneven bit, but solid season)
5.W.Belak(you see his fights against Laraque2x, Worrell1x, Boulerice1x and McCarthy1x)
6.J.Shelley(convincing work by "BadAss" for example scoring win over Laraque, toe to toe man you see his fights against Berube3x)
7.T.Domi(maybe too high rank, gives welcomes to Godard, won Ray and you have to see also his playoffs-fight against Brashear)
8.T.Fedoruk(ouch! got beated by Godard and Ray, but TKO's Johnson and Brennan)
9.J.McKenzie(some convincing shows)
10.R.Low(lost to fighters who should to win, like Nazarov and Dingman, beat May, won Johnson? you see his maratonbout against Langdon)

Honourable mentions:

1.J.Boulerice(too uneven, weak for the Top10 fighters at this time, sorry)
2.P.J.Stock(some good shows, against Peat, Henry and Odgers)
3.F.Lessard(not bad choice to Top10, but maybe too little fights, did win Cairns?)
4.E.Godard(another rookie like Lessard, puts solid shows like his fights against Worrell, Stock and Godard)
5.D.Langdon(it was even insult if you don't give HM for Langer, because he won Worrell once and maybe twice?)

You comments and own list?

Downey was also good this year.
He didn't get beated against Worrell, almost a draw.
He beated, KO'd Boulerice and won Simon edging him.
I think he deserved a HM at least.

[Juha82]

1.E.Cairns(you see his typical solid bouts!)
2.M.Johnson(put up good results on the table, beat Peters and Laraque)
3.D.Brashear(strong work beating Ray and Godard(pretty soundly)
4.K.Oliwa(convincing year overall, a good results mostly, few nasty loses)
5.W.Belak(great job like you see his all fights, like Langdon, Godard and Worrel ones)
6.A.Peters(great rookie season, won Domi, Cairns and Johnson, great draw against Godard)
7.R.Low(good season, mostly wins, for example over Oliwa and Godard, got beated by Worrell and got edged by Johnson)
8.C.Simon(put up some great fights, drew against Hordi, proves his toughness)
9.S.Parker(a couple impressive wins, on the other hand some small/lousy fights)
10.J.Boulerice(a lot of quality bouts, a great draw against Parker, a great bout against Simon)

Honourable mentions:

1.D.Langdon(some great maraton bouts, fought 3x with Peters, draw against Belak.)
2.W.Brookband(solid season by the rookie, putting Oliwa down)
3.C.Neil(good, even work)
4.D.Hordichuk(KO's Worrell, draw agianst Simon)
5.G.Laraque(some strong shows, but wasn't his best season really, won Johnson and schooled the rookie Peters, but...)

[Merlin401]

Originally Posted by Juha82

4.K.Oliwa(convincing year overall, a good results mostly, few nasty loses)

Your lists look relatively similar to the ones I've posted (so I guess thats a good sign), but here's a point of disagreement. Oliwa in my opinion is vastly overrated for his volume fighting. He's maybe a .500 fighter this year. My personal preference would be to leave him off the top 10 completely, in place of Jesse Boulerice. But here's how he did against fellow top 10 fighters that year (from the list in the 1st post):

#4 Laraque: edge/loss
#2 Johnson: draw
#7 Belak: edge/win
#5 Parker: edge/loss
#2 Johnson: draw
#2 Johnson: loss
#10 brookbank: TKO loss
#10 brookbank: draw

Thats it: 1-4-3 against top 10 competition. If he ate up the rest of the league, maybe I'd agree, but he still found time to lose to Downey, Reed Low, and others. Lastly, none of his fights were all that good. Many were sloppy and short. I dont see how that adds up to a top 10 season, much less #4. Perhaps he was a valuable enforcer and definitely exciting because of constant activity, but not all that impressive IMO.

Other than that I think any chances from my lists to yours are nitpicks more or less...

garry unger!!!remember him???????

Well, to be honest, no... I would have to admit that off hand I cannot think of one of his fights. He was part of the posse that went into the stands in Philly though, right? It would be cool if you could shed some light on his achievements, though he probably didn't fight more than 2 dozen times in his career so I dont think he'll be making much of a dent on these lists. But it would still be neat to hear about I'm sure.

[Juha82]

1.B.Probert(very strong work, puts a great shows)
2.S.McCarthy(a very good job, bad loss to Laraque)
3.S.Grimson(got dropped by Vandy but got the revenge in the same game!, schooled Odgers his fav. opponent)
4.G.Laraque(a big win over McCarthy, a strong season)
5.E.Cairns(solid season absolutely! for example his fights against Probert and R.Simpson)
6.B.Brown(beat McKenzie, won Oliwa, a great fight with Grimson)
7.R.Vandenbussche(a great bouts, for example Ndur, Grimson 2x and Freadrich 1x)
8.D.Brashear(a couple strong shows, but it isn't enough more higher rank, Vandy with big heart, Brash with more little)
9.K.Oliwa(good year, got the revenge of Brown, you see his series with Sandman)
10.M.Johnson(a few very convincing fights)
Honourable mentions:

1.P.Laus(TKO's Scott Thornton, won Domi)
2.C.Berube(not a great bouts by Chief)
3.D.Bonvie(good season with quality fights, big win over Johnson)
4.L.Richardson(not a great opponents, Mike Johnson...a draw against Laus)
5.J.Odgers(won Vandy and Cummins, mostly loses his bouts, but a big heart on this man)

[Blouin]

Originally Posted by Juha82

1.B.Probert(very strong work, puts a great shows)
2.S.McCarthy(a very good job, bad loss to Laraque)
3.S.Grimson(got dropped by Vandy but got the revenge in the same game!, schooled Odgers his fav. opponent)
4.G.Laraque(a big win over McCarthy, a strong season)
5.E.Cairns(solid season absolutely! for example his fights against Probert and R.Simpson)
6.B.Brown(beat McKenzie, won Oliwa, a great fight with Grimson)
7.R.Vandenbussche(a great bouts, for example Ndur, Grimson 2x and Freadrich 1x)
8.D.Brashear(a couple strong shows, but it isn't enough more higher rank, Vandy with big heart, Brash with more little)
9.M.Johnson(a few very convincing shows)
10.K.Oliwa(good year, got the revenge of Brown, you see his series with Sandman)

Honourable mentions:

1.P.Laus(TKO's Scott Thornton, won Domi)
2.C.Berube(not a great bouts by Chief)
3.D.Bonvie(good season with quality fights, big win over Johnson)
4.L.Richardson(not a great opponents, Mike Johnson...won Laus)
5.J.Odgers(won Vandy and Cummins, mostly loses his bouts, but a big heart on this man)

Take off Brown, add Bonvie or Laus