John Kordic

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by KiddYidd

I have a very reliable source that Kocur did indeed drop Kordic.

I guess add Kordic to that long list of KO's and TKO's. Thanks for clearing this up

[2,5,10GameMatch]

Originally Posted by KiddYidd

I have a very reliable source that Kocur did indeed drop Kordic.

Yea they're probably more reliable than me I know, whatever.

Have them show the footage then, Vodka may have got a hold of one of my masters with the footage I have of the fight, spring it on us.

[2,5,10GameMatch]

Originally Posted by ewen21

I guess add Kordic to that long list of KO's and TKO's. Thanks for clearing this up

When you're done cleaning KY's ass hairs out of your mouth, maybe then this riddle will be over, I'll put a nice wager up with any mofo that think's Kocur dropped Kordic!!!

Show the fukkin video, no wonder I rarely come here anymore, I must be the Rodney Dangerfield of this site, you two are Penn and Teller or Laurel and Hardy.

My word isnt good?? I cant wait for the video to pop up.

[BENNETTWOLF]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

When you're done cleaning KY's ass hairs out of your mouth, maybe then this riddle will be over, I'll put a nice wager up with any mofo that think's Kocur dropped Kordic!!!

Show the fukkin video, no wonder I rarely come here anymore, I must be the Rodney Dangerfield of this site, you two are Penn and Teller or Laurel and Hardy.

My word isnt good?? I cant wait for the video to pop up.

It's always been enough for me.

[darius]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

When you're done cleaning KY's ass hairs out of your mouth, maybe then this riddle will be over, I'll put a nice wager up with any mofo that think's Kocur dropped Kordic!!!

Show the fukkin video, no wonder I rarely come here anymore, I must be the Rodney Dangerfield of this site, you two are Penn and Teller or Laurel and Hardy.

My word isnt good?? I cant wait for the video to pop up.

It won't. It never happened.

[ewen21]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

My word isnt good??

It depends what we are talking about. If it relates to Kordic, McGill, Clark or even Todd Gill then I have pause a bit and think about it.

Clark with his 45 TKOs, McGill having a 15 minute fight with Probert, certain events for which no videos exist....that type of thing I call into question. Sorry man.

Other than that you are as solid as they come. I just think you have your favorites and you tend to lobby for them a little bit.

[KiddYidd]

Originally Posted by 2,5,10GameMatch

Yea they're probably more reliable than me I know, whatever.

Have them show the footage then, Vodka may have got a hold of one of my masters with the footage I have of the fight, spring it on us.

Are you saying BBBB is less reliable then you?

[Juha82]

Probable one of the toughes 80's, one of the best with Probert, Kocur,Brown, Playfair and McSorley.

[2,5,10GameMatch]

Originally Posted by KiddYidd

Are you saying BBBB is less reliable then you?

Not saying that at all but what makes him more reliable?? As far as I know he's American and never lived in Toronto, I happened to most of my life, went to MANY Leaf games in the 80's and 90's and was in attendance that night.

And Ewen, you can hear Bob McGill mention the "15 minute" Probert fight on his appearance on "Once A Leaf", I guess he was full of shiat too huh?

People can have their own visions of what constitutes a KO, TKO or KD, but I'll stick to my guns that Clark dropped more guys than anyone else ever did, Ray, Kocur, Twist included.

[RUSH]

There's no doubt that 2510GameMatch is a bonafide homer but I'm gonna take his side on this one. If he isn't lying and was actually at the game, then I believe him when he says that Kordic didn't lose to Kocur. It's hard to remember details of fights so long ago but I'm betting when 2 legends like Kocur and Kordic are involved in a fight, a person's memory is a helluva lot sharper then if it was a fight involving, say, a boring fighter like Gerard Gallant or Al Iafrate. And I do doubt that Kordic was dropped by Kocur because Kordic could take a punch like few others. I don't recall Kordic ever getting legitimately dropped in a fight. Twist may have landed that punch that put Kordic down quickly but John got right back up to land one of his own. I think that was more of a slip than anything. And I think the Domi fight was more of a beating than any specific punch putting Kordic down.

So chalk up a fight against Kocur on Kordic's fight card. And Kordic did try to fight Bob Probert in Montreal in the 1987-88. Immediately after Kordic scored a goal, Probert went after Kordic and in this instance, John seemed very willing to get involved with Big Bob but the linesmen ruined it. I remember watching that game live on Hockey Night in Canada on CBC on a Saturday and everybody at the Montreal Forum and everybody watching it on TV were anticipating a fight between them because Probert was the undisputed champ and the Montreal fans thought Kordic was the toughest guy in the league and they wanted their guy to prove it to Probert and the rest of the league. Unfortunately, it never happened as this would have been the best time for the 2 of them to go at it as both were right smack dab in their primes.

Of course in their 2nd attempt at a fight, we all know Kordic was on the backpeddle but I do not believe it was because Kordic was scared to fight Probert. Sure, he looked a little tentative but if you knew how Kordic fought, he would often back up when he fought, just to maybe get a better feel of things on how to approach the fight. Now, usually it wasn't near as pronounced as when he was backing up with Probert but I do believe that Kordic was just trying to get a good feel on how to engage Probert. Or maybe Kordic was a tad scared? I don't know but I really think that when it comes right down to it, every fighter has a little bit of apprehension going into a fight. Unless you are one of those guys who really likes to fight and gets off on it, I do think every fighter has a bit of fear in them that the fight might not go the way they want and they might be on the losing end.

As far as Kordic's fight card not being as top notch as other guys, remember that Kordic didn't play that long in the NHL. He played in 285 games including playoffs and 155 of those were with Montreal. And when he played in Montreal, he was only usually dressed against Adams division rivals: Boston, Quebec, Hartford and Buffalo. Hence, you see so many of Kordic's opponents are guys from those teams like Jay Miller, Lyndon Byers, Torrie Robertson, Gord Donnelly, Terry Carkner, Richard Zemlak, Steve Dykstra, Mike Hartman, etc. Sure, he played games against other teams, but not near as many as the combined total of playing those 4 Adams division opponents.

And remember when Kordic was with Toronto, Probert was out of the NHL for huge portions of the 2 seasons Kordic played for the Leafs. So there wasn't a lot of opportunites for those 2 to meet each other on the ice.

And there are plenty of other factors as to why a guy like Kordic doesn't have certain guys on his fight card. Was he in the line-up? And if he was, were his toughest opponents in the line-up to face him? If he was in the line-up, how much ice time did he get? For Kordic, usually not much. And when he did happen to get out on the ice, was the opposition tough guy on the ice at the same time? And what type of constraints did a coach put on his enforcer? Did he tell him not to fight on certain nights or to avoid fighting certain guys? Or maybe he's in the line-up and is getting ice time but his hand is too sore to fight. Or maybe 2 guys are buddies or have too much respect for each other to fight each other? Who knows? The armchair hockey fighters of the world like to think they know it all but most of them don't have a clue as to what goes on behind the scenes.

So there are plenty of reasons why 2 fighters don't hook up over the course of their careers, the least of which is that one guy is "scared" to fight the other guy. It seems like a lot of members of these hockey fight sites always like to assume that because a guy like, say, Tie Domi, doesn't fight a guy like, say, Tony Twist, it's because he was scared of him. I just laugh when I read stuff like that.

For the most part, the tough guys aren't scared and they will fight anyone, even if they feel a bit of trepidation in doing so. But most of them would rather show up and possibly lose the fight then to be a coward and not fight at all.

[Juha82]

Well i remember couple/few games which was televized by Finnish TV(MTV3) where J.Kordic was playing.
He was a bad, bad player really and doesnt get much an ice time really.
Barely they scares each other?
Its a division where they plays and they hasnt a change to meet against Elite-guys.
Thats why J.Kordic's fight card looks a bit weak.

[mitch65]

Originally Posted by RUSH

There's no doubt that 2510GameMatch is a bonafide homer but I'm gonna take his side on this one. If he isn't lying and was actually at the game, then I believe him when he says that Kordic didn't lose to Kocur. It's hard to remember details of fights so long ago but I'm betting when 2 legends like Kocur and Kordic are involved in a fight, a person's memory is a helluva lot sharper then if it was a fight involving, say, a boring fighter like Gerard Gallant or Al Iafrate. And I do doubt that Kordic was dropped by Kocur because Kordic could take a punch like few others. I don't recall Kordic ever getting legitimately dropped in a fight. Twist may have landed that punch that put Kordic down quickly but John got right back up to land one of his own. I think that was more of a slip than anything. And I think the Domi fight was more of a beating than any specific punch putting Kordic down.

So chalk up a fight against Kocur on Kordic's fight card. And Kordic did try to fight Bob Probert in Montreal in the 1987-88. Immediately after Kordic scored a goal, Probert went after Kordic and in this instance, John seemed very willing to get involved with Big Bob but the linesmen ruined it. I remember watching that game live on Hockey Night in Canada on CBC on a Saturday and everybody at the Montreal Forum and everybody watching it on TV were anticipating a fight between them because Probert was the undisputed champ and the Montreal fans thought Kordic was the toughest guy in the league and they wanted their guy to prove it to Probert and the rest of the league. Unfortunately, it never happened as this would have been the best time for the 2 of them to go at it as both were right smack dab in their primes.

Of course in their 2nd attempt at a fight, we all know Kordic was on the backpeddle but I do not believe it was because Kordic was scared to fight Probert. Sure, he looked a little tentative but if you knew how Kordic fought, he would often back up when he fought, just to maybe get a better feel of things on how to approach the fight. Now, usually it wasn't near as pronounced as when he was backing up with Probert but I do believe that Kordic was just trying to get a good feel on how to engage Probert. Or maybe Kordic was a tad scared? I don't know but I really think that when it comes right down to it, every fighter has a little bit of apprehension going into a fight. Unless you are one of those guys who really likes to fight and gets off on it, I do think every fighter has a bit of fear in them that the fight might not go the way they want and they might be on the losing end.

As far as Kordic's fight card not being as top notch as other guys, remember that Kordic didn't play that long in the NHL. He played in 285 games including playoffs and 155 of those were with Montreal. And when he played in Montreal, he was only usually dressed against Adams division rivals: Boston, Quebec, Hartford and Buffalo. Hence, you see so many of Kordic's opponents are guys from those teams like Jay Miller, Lyndon Byers, Torrie Robertson, Gord Donnelly, Terry Carkner, Richard Zemlak, Steve Dykstra, Mike Hartman, etc. Sure, he played games against other teams, but not near as many as the combined total of playing those 4 Adams division opponents.

And remember when Kordic was with Toronto, Probert was out of the NHL for huge portions of the 2 seasons Kordic played for the Leafs. So there wasn't a lot of opportunites for those 2 to meet each other on the ice.

And there are plenty of other factors as to why a guy like Kordic doesn't have certain guys on his fight card. Was he in the line-up? And if he was, were his toughest opponents in the line-up to face him? If he was in the line-up, how much ice time did he get? For Kordic, usually not much. And when he did happen to get out on the ice, was the opposition tough guy on the ice at the same time? And what type of constraints did a coach put on his enforcer? Did he tell him not to fight on certain nights or to avoid fighting certain guys? Or maybe he's in the line-up and is getting ice time but his hand is too sore to fight. Or maybe 2 guys are buddies or have too much respect for each other to fight each other? Who knows? The armchair hockey fighters of the world like to think they know it all but most of them don't have a clue as to what goes on behind the scenes.

So there are plenty of reasons why 2 fighters don't hook up over the course of their careers, the least of which is that one guy is "scared" to fight the other guy. It seems like a lot of members of these hockey fight sites always like to assume that because a guy like, say, Tie Domi, doesn't fight a guy like, say, Tony Twist, it's because he was scared of him. I just laugh when I read stuff like that.

For the most part, the tough guys aren't scared and they will fight anyone, even if they feel a bit of trepidation in doing so. But most of them would rather show up and possibly lose the fight then to be a coward and not fight at all.

Very well put. I also remember watching that game between Montreal and Detroit and I remember Don Cherry on tv saying this is what everybody is talking about and wants to see- Kordic vs Probert. The linesman did get in the way, so the fight never happened.

I also agree that Kordic was NOT back peddling because he was afraid of Probert.......he was just trying to set himself up. Some people are WAY too quick to assume this was the case when a player backs up to fight and he's against "big, bad, Bobby Probert.

[blockerpunch]

From what I remember reading in Kordic's biography there was an exchange before one of the games where Probert was with Patrick Ducharme his lawyer/agent I believe and Kordic came by to say hi. After Kordic left Probert told Ducharme Kordic was just doing that because he was scared of him.

[I like Boobs]

Here it is again:

Here is the exact paragraph from the John Kordic story "The Fight of his Life"

" ....He often dropped into the Cafe' behind the Arena .... On one occasion, Bob Probert was sitting inside with his lawyer Patrick Ducharme, waiting for an order. Ducharme had been asked by the Red Wings to accompany the team on road trips, to help keep Probert out of trouble. John, instantly recognizing the NHL's widely acclaimed number one enforcer, walked by and said 'Hi Bob, how's it goin, hope you have a good game tonight.' ... Probert never raised his head, never took his eyes off his coffee cup. When John left, Ducharme wondered why his client behaved so poorly. 'He just doesn't want to f*cking fight me tonight', Probert snorted.