Had everyone’s number except? This week Simon vs Domi

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Would perhaps like to start a series that will catch on and it is this: Would like to see if any of you could analyze and perhaps pinpoint just where the snag may be. We all have our favorites and those top tough guys though they may have seemingly beat the tar out of everyone there were in fact some they could not crack. For example: For Fotiu it was Jack McIlarghey, for Brown it was Simon, for Kocur it was Marty Mac, for Domi it was Simon, for Simon Janssens, McCallister – u get the picture.

In this series Simon and Domi fought three times. Given the active and lengthy careers these guys enjoyed they sure compressed their dislike like for each other and seemed to get it out of their collective systems in a small window of time. They both played many more years and paired up many more times in the future.

WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE SNAG FOR DOMI AGAINST SIMON?
Two lefties?
Spin cycle going the wrong way?
Simon’s size?

December 11, 1995 Win Simon
Jan 6, 1996 Win Simon
March 3, 1996 - Draw



Rd 1

Chris Simon vs Tie Domi Round 1 - YouTube

Rd 2

Chris Simon vs Tie Domi Round 2 - YouTube

Rd 3

Chris Simon vs. Tie Domi - YouTube

[srehm1]

i thought Domi won round 3. he landed two good rights at the end of the fight that caused Simon to hold on and end it.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by srehm1

i thought Domi won round 3. he landed two good rights at the end of the fight that caused Simon to hold on and end it.

Could be. Even if Domi edged Simon, so be it.

Domi had great success with big guys. I thought maybe you could spot the stylistic snag in the matchup. I do not want to say it is size, though it may well be. I think as far as Domi - Simon is coming at a peculiar angle vice what Domi is used to. This is not a gotcha thread

[spiderarms]

The biggest factor I think was the reach advantage that Simon had. He could hold Domi at arms length and fire away.

The lefty on lefty thing was another mainly because he didn't fight as many and it didn't play into his style.

I agree that Domi did better in the third fight but guys I thought he had BIGGER problems with were Dave Brown and Donald Brashear.

Again, both lefties with plenty of reach.

PS, I like the premise of your series, it educational!

[rondo]

Simon and Domi fought when Simon was still young and had something to prove. In other words Simon was throwing with some ill intent and was relentless in his attack. Good luck vs. Simon when he threw like he did in first 2 fights. As for Domi it was tough match up. 6'4 lefty who threw hard and fast. IMO if Simon was a righty he would have gave Simon difficulty .

[srehm1]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Could be. Even if Domi edged Simon, so be it.

Domi had great success with big guys. I thought maybe you could spot the stylistic snag in the matchup. I do not want to say it is size, though it may well be. I think as far as Domi - Simon is coming at a peculiar angle vice what Domi is used to. This is not a gotcha thread

I would think it has more to do with Simon being a big lefty more so than anything else. Nothing beats a good southpaw-except another good southpaw! Domi was usually good against bigger fighters but southpaws always present matchup problems. Add size to the mix and the fact that we are looking at a prime Simon in these fights=instant problem for Domi here.

Domi had issues with Simon, Dave Brown, Georges Laraque, and Brashear (although Brash wasn't so much a straight southpaw as he routinely switched hands effectively). I do recall him beating john Kordic, peluso as well as Kenny Baumgartner a few times so i guess southpaws weren't exactly domi's kryptonite but the big lefty's-the elite guys-did give him some problems.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Domi primarily lefty, hence when he spins it will be tohis left and his opponent if righty will go to their rights - this is custom made for Domi as his wheelhouse has great energy to begin with - Leftys such as Simon, Brown, Laraque will probably move in concert with Domi to the left creating a sort of chasing your tail scenario for Domi, but, with the longer reach I guess that is the difference

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by srehm1

i thought Domi won round 3. he landed two good rights at the end of the fight that caused Simon to hold on and end it.

Same I also thought round one was more of a draw as well it's not the greatest example of the point he was trying to prove cause all three were pretty good close fights

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Opponent's size or hand wasn't an issue with Domi. I always thought his troubles (rergardless of his opponent's size or hand) came against guys who threw fast, non-stop punches. Brashear, Laraque and Simon both fit that bill. Guys like Jeff Odgers, Darren McCarty, Shane Churla, Craig Berube, Sandy McCarthy, Mick Vukota, Gino Odjick, and Shayne Corson beat him with that fast punch approach as well.

Always seemed to me that guys who wanted to hold on and wrestle or lean back and throw bombs gave Domi a chance to get the spin cycle going. Guys who stood there and kept throwing punches though seemed to keep Domi from getting the spin going. Even one of the biggest scrubs of all time Cam Russell beat Domi by doing what he could to keep his hands moving.

DOMI vs RUSSELL

[smashem]

Jay Miller had some problems with Gord Donnelly, although he had more convincing wins against him than did Gord did.

[mikebflorida]

Just about everybody had trouble with Chris Simon so it's no surprise that Domi would.

Domi is supposed to lose to almost any heavyweight, the fact that he beat or drew with so many of them tells you how good he was, not how good Simon was, Simon should beat Domi every single time but that's why they actually fight, to see who is better at the time. I give their series a 1-1-1, definitely a feather in Domi's cap more than Simon's just like Simon giving Dave Brown all he could handle is a feather in Simon's cap in my opinion.

That's just how it is. Unless these guys fight 8-12 times, it's really hard to know who the better fighter is. If you go by winning percentage, Behn Wilson is the best ever, if you go by wins I think either Probert or Brashear is top dawg but everyone has lost a fight in their career and some had a tougher time with certain people, they just didn't matchup well.

I think Ray and Domi fought 13 times. Is there anyone who fought each other more than they did? That would be interesting to know.

Ahh, found out for myself-

1 Darcy Hordichuk vs. George Parros 15
2 Tie Domi vs. Rob Ray 15
3 Stu Grimson vs. Bob Probert 14
4 Gord Donnelly vs. Jay Miller 13
5 John Kordic vs. Jay Miller 12

[rondo]

I can't believe how anyone can see Domi winning anyone of those fights. In the first two Simon was in control of both from start to finish and the only danger he was in was breaking his hand on Domi' s melon. He threw more and landed more, case closed. By the third fight I think he felt sorry for Domi because he punched him in the face/coconut so many times and he felt like he would let Domi land a few of his own. Three was probably a draw. Take nothing from Domi though he was as tough as they come.

[brawl lover]

I'm finding trouble connecting the title with the topic. Can anyone lend a hand? Does it mean Domi had everyone's number but Simon's?If thats the case then I can think of many that Domi didn't exactly have their number...unless it was like phone numbers. He certainly didn't have Rays, Brashears, Browns, and the list goes on. He may have beaten people but as far as having their numbers or being their kryptonite there were maybe a handful that he was like that with.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I'm finding trouble connecting the title with the topic. Can anyone lend a hand? Does it mean Domi had everyone's number but Simon's?If thats the case then I can think of many that Domi didn't exactly have their number...unless it was like phone numbers. He certainly didn't have Rays, Brashears, Browns, and the list goes on. He may have beaten people but as far as having their numbers or being their kryptonite there were maybe a handful that he was like that with.

A better way of titling this thread is: Fight Advisor - How would you advise a guy like Domi in this case? What adjustments would you advise?

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

A better way of titling this thread is: Fight Advisor - How would you advise a guy like Domi in this case? What adjustments would you advise?

Club him ala McSorley-Brashear.