Chris Simon

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Those guys didn't take entire seasons off from fighting, or consistently bail on fights either. Or fight lower tier tough guys for the most part. Probert put up the numbers Simon did and fought the very best....Everyone has their shortcomings no doubt, but it seems you aren't interested in closely examining Simon's like you are others.

Wendel Clark was three times the player Simon was and had a better fight card with worse injuries. You can't just dismiss this that easily.

He'll sure try no matter how many people tell him he's wrong.

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Those guys didn't take entire seasons off from fighting, or consistently bail on fights either. Or fight lower tier tough guys for the most part. Probert put up the numbers Simon did and fought the very best....Everyone has their shortcomings no doubt, but it seems you aren't interested in closely examining Simon's like you are others.

Wendel Clark was three times the player Simon was and had a better fight card with worse injuries. You can't just dismiss this that easily.

Interesting that while Simon put up good numbers ..when it really counted(playoffs) ..it was noooo contest.

Probert 81 gm 16 g 32 a 48 pts

Simon 75 gm 10 g 7 a 17 pts

In fact in Probies best career season he had more points in one playoff (21 pts) than Simon did in his whole career.

[mikebflorida]

It's ironic that Simon also had some serious problems with booze and possibly other things, like Probert.

I just don't think he could handle the stigma of being an NHL enforcer, he wanted to be more, a regular player, but didn't have the game for that either. That's gotta play on a players mind.

With all that being said, he had a pretty good career and made a lot of money. I wonder what he's doing now, I don't follow it that closely.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Those guys didn't take entire seasons off from fighting, or consistently bail on fights either. Or fight lower tier tough guys for the most part. Probert put up the numbers Simon did and fought the very best....Everyone has their shortcomings no doubt, but it seems you aren't interested in closely examining Simon's like you are others.

Wendel Clark was three times the player Simon was and had a better fight card with worse injuries. You can't just dismiss this that easily.

do not know why you cannot understand (probbaly won't understand) that Simon had a very bad debilitating injury where he was virtually a one armed man. How else can you expain someone that decimates a guy like Brown and then is put off from a guy like Janssens - Hey! I have come to realize and respect that Kocur was not the tour de force he was with the Wings when he arrived with the Rags - In many respects his right hand was damaged and took away from his abilities - Wilson's back, same thing, I accept that, Wilson IMHO would have been a much bigger hurdle than Brown was for Probie - So, the same for Simon - if you can momentarily shed your prejudice (only u know what they are) and look at the facts, dig a little, you may be surprised at what you unearth

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

It's ironic that Simon also had some serious problems with booze and possibly other things, like Probert.

I just don't think he could handle the stigma of being an NHL enforcer, he wanted to be more, a regular player, but didn't have the game for that either. That's gotta play on a players mind.

With all that being said, he had a pretty good career and made a lot of money. I wonder what he's doing now, I don't follow it that closely.

Simon is still playing hockey and getting paid for it, and fighting.

2011-12 Metallurg Novokuznetsk

"Simon was a member of the Washington Capitals when they went to the Stanley Cup finals in 1998. He had been enjoying great offensive success that season until a shoulder injury knocked him out for much of the playoff run. He underwent season-ending shoulder surgery in December 1998. He was the team's leading goal scorer in the 1999–2000 season with 29 goals in 75 games. "

Missed majority of [B]1990-91 due to shoulder surgery, October, 1990[/b]. Traded to Quebec by Philadelphia with Philadelphia's 1st round choice (later traded to Toronto - later traded to Washington

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by battleship25

Interesting that while Simon put up good numbers ..when it really counted(playoffs) ..it was noooo contest.

Probert 81 gm 16 g 32 a 48 pts

Simon 75 gm 10 g 7 a 17 pts

In fact in Probies best career season he had more points in one playoff (21 pts) than Simon did in his whole career.

Hey - the dude is still playing - I am not his butt boy - but when applying critique across the board I think it wise to apply it equally - Simon was damaged goods when Philly drafted him in 1990 ---30 years ago and he is still playing and no doubt would kick Brown's ass today as much as he did back then

Don't know about you but its been 2 yrs since my reconstructive shoulder surgey and for someone that could throw a baseball 100 MPH in his former days - to one relegated to tossing stones with his left hand across the ocean and ponds it is crushing. The mobility and strength I lost is gone, I too am virtually a one armed man

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Hey - the dude is still playing - I am not his butt boy - but when applying critique across the board I think it wise to apply it equally - Simon was damaged goods when Philly drafted him in 1990 ---30 years ago and he is still playing and no doubt would kick Brown's ass today as much as he did back then

Don't know about you but its been 2 yrs since my reconstructive shoulder surgey and for someone that could throw a baseball 100 MPH in his former days - to one relegated to tossing stones with his left hand across the ocean and ponds it is crushing. The mobility and strength I lost is gone, I too am virtually a one armed man

Well please take that one arm from in front of your eyes because you still keep saying things like "destroyed" and "decimated" when referring to the Simon/Brown fight that you post every whip stitch when everyone else sees it as a good close fight.

And having Chris Simon as number 2 all time means your his butt boy. Sorry.

[I like Boobs]

I've never denied that Simon had all the tools in his box to be one of the best. No doubt he had size, power, reach and a southpaw. Everything you need to dominate. But his main detraction would always be his willingness to do the job - many many times he just went through the motions. And yes his shoulder injury played a factor in his deterioration but it cannot and does not serve as a complete fall back issue... Look at Brad May who always kept fighting and he threw punches so hard he popped both shoulders out in fights... He came back and fought regularly. I think that Simon developed the belief that he didn't have to fight and as Don Cherry said "A crusher who becomes a rusher, soon becomes an usher." A young Quebec Simon was very solid for a couple years, and won a cup. But his interest waned and he was dealt to Washington... In Washington he was Zombie like, seemed to be in a trance. There were dozens of threads on this board asking why he quit fighting and lost that aggressive behavior, and that lasted a while. To his credit he rallied well and fought much more often in New York and Calgary, with good results... But you can't teach heart, And to me that's what prevents ranking Simon higher. Had Simon had say Dave Brown's killer instinct with Probert's ability to play the game? We'd have a serious wrecking ball... But Simon only got "crazy" for awhile at the beginning and at the end, and like a sandwich those parts are good but the most important stuff happens in between.

[spiderarms]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Now here is someone that is wrought with contradiction. You made my point by answering your own last question, brilliant

READ my last question and answer, he is a GOOD fighter, not a GREAT fighter because of the issues I mentioned the line before.

I would love to see your TOP TEN fighters if Chris Simon is #2 All-Time.
Mark Jansens must be number one then?

Look at the guys whole body of work in his career, not just two or three fight clips to evaluate him.

Now that's my point!

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Hey - the dude is still playing - I am not his butt boy - but when applying critique across the board I think it wise to apply it equally - Simon was damaged goods when Philly drafted him in 1990 ---30 years ago and he is still playing and no doubt would kick Brown's ass today as much as he did back then

Don't know about you but its been 2 yrs since my reconstructive shoulder surgey and for someone that could throw a baseball 100 MPH in his former days - to one relegated to tossing stones with his left hand across the ocean and ponds it is crushing. The mobility and strength I lost is gone, I too am virtually a one armed man

Bull**** can you throw a ball 100mph.

Other than Brown what top 10 fighters did Simon beat?

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

Bull**** can you throw a ball 100mph.

Other than Brown what top 10 fighters did Simon beat?

start here...

Chris Simon vs Bob Probert - YouTube